BFG RMA

[Nda]

Hi guys, my BFG 6800 gt oc AGP died 2 weeks ago, and BFG sent me a replacement from RMA, but they are sending me a BFG 6800 GS OC AGP. The RMA card will arrive tomorrow.

Now my dilemma is whether I should accept their RMA or insist on getting a new 6800 gt back. I know that pipeline wise 6800 gs has 12 compared to 6800gt with 16 pipes and I have to wait another 2 weeks for another RMA if I were to replace it again. I game at 1920x1200 since I have 2405 Dell but I dont do crazy game, mostly just Halo, HL2, LOTR:BoME 2, NFSU 2, CS:S. Do you think 12 vs 16 pipes has a lot of significance in higher resolution game such as 1920x1200? Anand has a review between 6800gs vs 6800gt but the highest res of game they benched was 16x12.
6800gs agp also has lower clock than 6800 gs pcie? I just realized that darn...
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=354&card2=368

Is it wise to just accept their replacement or should I say something. I dont think they would cough up some cash added to the card

Thanks for any input.
Hendra

Update:: The replacement card arrived today 04/12/06, when I opened the package, it is a new BFG 6800 GT OC. All this thread was because the RMA guy from BFG said that they were sending a 6800GS OC AGP.
So everything should be okay now, going to load 3dmark right now... oh, man i am soo happy, no need to wait for another 2 weeks, and i can game finally

Thanks guys for sticking up for me and advising me what to do. Really really appreciated.

Regards.

 

[CaiNaM]

seems to me they shouldn't replace it with a slower part, you should get the next on "up"

i would insist they got you a GT, or see if you can talk them into shipping you a 7800GS (which would be the next upgrade, assuming they don't have any 6800ultras)

 

[AzNPinkTuv]

unlock it and its an ultra.. also request a 7800gs they oc like mad! i got a superclock from evga up to 520 on stock and 1450 on mem

 

[SPARTAN VI]

How would a 7600 compare to a 6800GT?

 

[Nda]

CaiNaM: Hey that's a good idea!! I will try that

AzNPinkTuv: I never unlock or overclock, I am still a n00b in overclocking or unlocking, you use RivaTuner for that ?

Spartan VI: Dont think 7600 has an AGP card.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Nda
CaiNaM: Hey that's a good idea!! I will try that

AzNPinkTuv: I never unlock or overclock, I am still a n00b in overclocking or unlocking, you use RivaTuner for that ?

Spartan VI: Dont think 7600 has an AGP card.

u can simply use coolbits (just need to unlock it in the nv driver by changing a reg entry).

if you can get a 7800gs, do it. i had one that ran at 490 (not quite as good as az, but still a great oc)

 

[Nda]

Oh,
1. does it always unlock or is there a percentage for certain card that wont unlock?
2. How do you test it if it succeeded in unlocking?
3. Does it increase 3D Mark and usually if it does unlock, does it artifacting?
4. If it failed in unlocking, does it damaged the card?
5. Do you think manufacturer such as BFG know that I tried to unlock the card?

Sorry if it sounds like a barrage of questions, im just curious as I never done one.

thanks.

 

[AzNPinkTuv]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Nda
CaiNaM: Hey that's a good idea!! I will try that

AzNPinkTuv: I never unlock or overclock, I am still a n00b in overclocking or unlocking, you use RivaTuner for that ?

Spartan VI: Dont think 7600 has an AGP card.

u can simply use coolbits (just need to unlock it in the nv driver by changing a reg entry).

if you can get a 7800gs, do it. i had one that ran at 490 (not quite as good as az, but still a great oc)

my oc was also temporary though, middle of winter with ambiant somewhre at like 15 degrees C. case off and one of those masscool 1$ fans facing right at it to blow exaust away.

that in mind i run mine at 490 now stable and 1.35 ghz on mem

 

[Nda]

I think i have hot case, my old 6800gt oc ran idle at 60C and when I played, it jumped to around 75C. First time I bought and installed it and checked the temp of the card, gave me quite a surprise. That thing runs hot!, but after I checked on severals forums and asking ppl if that temp is alright, alot ppl said that's alright since that card can take up to 120C (if im not mistaken), prolly the temp also cause the card to fail......
I bought a pci-cooler but I guess it's not enough cool, man I am seriously considering on putting aftermarket cooler or something. Never done one too.

 

[n7]

Wow, that's bullshit.

The 6800GS AGP is a worse card than the 6800GT.

I'd tell them no effing way.

Maybe offer to pay the difference type deal for a 7800GS or something.

But don't accept a poorer card.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Nda
Oh,
1. does it always unlock or is there a percentage for certain card that wont unlock?
2. How do you test it if it succeeded in unlocking?
3. Does it increase 3D Mark and usually if it does unlock, does it artifacting?
4. If it failed in unlocking, does it damaged the card?
5. Do you think manufacturer such as BFG know that I tried to unlock the card?

Sorry if it sounds like a barrage of questions, im just curious as I never done one.

thanks.

1. it's a 50/50 chance that the card will unlock without causing artifacts, extra pipes could be damaged.
2. usually 3Dmark05 will do fine for checking for artifacts.
3. unlocking the extra pipes will give a perfomance increase, more noticable in synthetic benchmarks like 3Dmark05
4. no damage is done by unlocking the extra pipes, they can be easily locked back as they were unlocked.
5. not sure, but i would say no

still it's 50/50 chance with the GS, i would settle for nothing less for what i paid for which is a 6800gt, not a GS

 

[AzNPinkTuv]

Originally posted by: n7
Wow, that's bullshit.

The 6800GS AGP is a worse card than the 6800GT.

I'd tell them no effing way.

Maybe offer to pay the difference type deal for a 7800GS or something.

But don't accept a poorer card.

really.. do you think before you speak? if you OC the 6800gs to max and 6800gt to max, the gs will win because if you disable 4 pipes, u can also OC much higher speeds thnks

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: AzNPinkTuv

Originally posted by: n7
Wow, that's bullshit.

The 6800GS AGP is a worse card than the 6800GT.

I'd tell them no effing way.

Maybe offer to pay the difference type deal for a 7800GS or something.

But don't accept a poorer card.

really.. do you think before you speak? if you OC the 6800gs to max and 6800gt to max, the gs will win because if you disable 4 pipes, u can also OC much higher speeds thnks

Have you forgotten how overclockable the 6800GTs were :roll:

Also, only a fool would take a lower end card & then expect that it will overclock to faster performance than another card.

Overclocking = luck, not certainty...

 

[PhlashFoto]

Originally posted by: AzNPinkTuv

Originally posted by: n7
Wow, that's bullshit.

The 6800GS AGP is a worse card than the 6800GT.

I'd tell them no effing way.

Maybe offer to pay the difference type deal for a 7800GS or something.

But don't accept a poorer card.

really.. do you think before you speak? if you OC the 6800gs to max and 6800gt to max, the gs will win because if you disable 4 pipes, u can also OC much higher speeds thnks

Stop positing BS. k, thanks.

n7 is correct. The 6800 GS is lower end compared the the 6800 GT the OP send in. The ability to O/C or unlock should NOT be factored in since neither is sure fire. Call up BFG and demand them to either give you the same card or better. Do not expect a 7800GS, but a 6800 ultra is fair if the 6800GT is not available.

 

[gramboh]

I'd either wait 2 weeks for a GT or ask for an Ultra.

I just bought a 6800GS (eVGA CO clocked version) AGP to replace an old 9800. I was able to unlock the extra pipelines no problem but the vertex shader unit gives me artifacts. I can OC it a bit, but not much over 400/1100 (Ultra speeds) or I get artifacts.

What I'm trying to say is there is a chance you could be stuck with 12 pipes/5 vertex or like me 16 pipes/5 vertex (good, but not as good as 16/6) and maybe not be able to OC.

7800GS is another good option.

 

[Golgatha]

Ask for a 7800GS and if they say no, then see if they would do it if "Mr. Andrew Jackson" came to visit his home.

 

[Madwand1]

BFG factory overclocks, so what you can do beyond that may be limited. Is there any chance that it came unlocked as well as overclocked? Do you have previous benchmarks or records of the GT's settings to compare with?

 

[imported_Imp]

What everyone else said... The GS is crappier than the GT, and a good bit cheaper too. Here, the 7600gt retails for LESS than the 6800GT still I think. If you're stuck with AGP, then that's out of the question. I doubt they'll cave and give you a 7800GS though since thjat's more expensive than both, so "insisting" on getting the same card back seems to be the best bet.

 

[Acanthus]

While i would argue with BFG on the card they are sending you based on principle, the GS is not much slower than the GT, you are talking less than 5% in almost all cases.

 

[Nda]

The GS for AGP is slower than GT for AGP, for GS PCI-E is abit different since the core and memory are higher than AGP version of the card.

From hearing the advices, I should get equal or better card as a replacement and I think you guys are right . When I bought the card, it was priced 399.99 so it's still an expensive card to me to be replaced by mid 200 dollars card, although I understand the depreciation but 200 bucks lower is crazy as a replacement. I still think somehow that they are sending the wrong card unintentionally...but you never know.

I will call and talk to them about this and get this resolved. Currently I am at school, hopefully the card will be there when I got back. I will update the situation as soon as I call them

Thanks for everyone's input and advice. Really appreciate them.

 

[wooster241]

bump returned

 

[Nextman916]

I agree ask for the same or else better, if they ask for some money for the 7800gs as an upgrade, i would do it. As long as its not some absurd amount.......maybe like $20?

 

[Piano Man]

Technically the 6800GS AGP is a slower part since it doesn't come unlocked. They probably didn't get you a 6800GT because they dont' have any. Seems only right that they get you a 7800GS and not a 6800GS. I'd go after them about it. If they don't want to replace, maybe they'll upgrade you cheap.

 

[Nda]

Update: The card arrived today 04/12/06, by the way, when I opened the package, it is a new BFG 6800 GT OC. All this thread was because the RMA guy said that they were sending a 6800GS OC AGP.
So everything should be okay now, going to load 3dmark right now... oh, man i am soo happy, no need to wait for another 2 weeks, and i can game finally

Thanks guys for sticking up for me and advising me what to do. Really really appreciated.

Regards.