Discussion Beyond zen 6

[marees]

I have not watched this video. Hope it is not a joke

https://twitter.com/x/status/2001812716936380468

Zen 9 (AM6) = Nemesis
Zen 8 (AM6) = Penelope
Zen 7 (AM5) = Prometheus
Zen 6 (AM5) = Morpheus
Zen 5 (AM5) = Nirvana
Zen 4 (AM5) = Persephone
Zen 3 (AM4) = Cerberus
Zen 2 (AM4) = Vahalla
Zen 1 (AM4) = ?

AMD Microarchitectures​

Microarchitecture	Core	CCD	Process Node	Launch Date
Zen 6	Morpheus	?	2nm	?
Zen 5	Nirvana	Eldora	3nm	2024
Zen 4	Persephone	Durango	TSMC 5nm	2022
Zen 3	Cerberus	Breckenridge	TSMC 7nm	2020
Zen 2	Vahalla	Aspen Highlands	TSMC 7nm	2019
Zen+	?	?	GlobalFoundries 12nm	2018
Zen	?	?	GlobalFoundries 14nm	2017

AMD Zen 6 CPUs Are Reportedly Based On The 2nm Process Node

Meet Morpheus, AMD's future Zen 6 cores.

www.tomshardware.com

Comparison​

Core	Zen	Zen+	Zen 2	Zen 3	Zen 3+	Zen 4	Zen 4c	Zen 5	Zen 5c	Zen 6	Zen 6c
Codename	Core			Valhalla	Cerberus		Persephone	Dionysus	Nirvana	Prometheus	Morpheus	Monarch
CCD			Aspen Highlands	Brecken Ridge		Durango	Vindhya	Eldora
Cores (threads)	CCD			8 (16)	8 (16)		8 (16)	16 (32)	8 (16)	16 (32)
CCX			4 (8)	8 (16)		8 (16)	8 (16)	8 (16)
L3 cache	CCD			32 MB	32 MB		32 MB	32 MB	32 MB	32 MB
CCX			16 MB	32 MB		32 MB	16 MB	32 MB
Die size	CCD area	44 mm2		74 mm2	80.7 mm2		66.3 mm2	72.7 mm2	70.6 mm2
Core area (Fab node)	7 mm2 (14 nm)	(12 nm)	2.83 mm2 (7 nm)	3.24 mm2 (7 nm)	(7 nm)	3.84 mm2 (5 nm)	2.48 mm2 (5 nm)	(4 nm)	(3 nm)	(2 nm)	(2 nm)

Zen+ - Microarchitectures - AMD - WikiChip

Zen+ (Zen Plus) is the successor to Zen, a 12 nm microarchitecture designed by AMD and introduced in 2018 for the mainstream PC, enthusiast, and server markets. Zen+ was succeeded by Zen 2 in 2019.

en.wikichip.org

 

[Kryohi]

Unfortunately i watched that video (first MLID video I watch, I had to put it in 2x given all the fluff).
No, no "details" are leaked, he simply claims Penelope and Nemesis are the codenames for zen 8 and zen 9, then speculates they will (the consumer versions) support DDR6 and PCIE6, and he's not even convinced about PCIE6.

Basically no information besides the codenames and the fact zen isn't being replaced by an architecture with a different name anytime soon. Could have been a single paragraph article.

 

[poke01]

A heads up. No nova lake talk here😝

 

[adroc_thurston]

No nova lake talk here

we're moving to "here's how Razor Lake can still win" in a month or so.

 

[511]

A heads up. No nova lake talk here😝

you said nova first : anyway MLID is throwing projection for like 2032 lmao

 

[msj10]

we're moving to "here's how Razor Lake can still win" in a month or so.

Zen 7 is a year later than Razor Lake. doesn't look good for AMD.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Zen 7 is a year later than Razor Lake

nope lol.

doesn't look good for AMD.

oh no trust me we'll be moving the cope to Razor Lake soon enough.

 

[CakeMonster]

Unfortunately i watched that video (first MLID video I watch, I had to put it in 2x given all the fluff).
No, no "details" are leaked, he simply claims Penelope and Nemesis are the codenames for zen 8 and zen 9, then speculates they will (the consumer versions) support DDR6 and PCIE6, and he's not even convinced about PCIE6.

Basically no information besides the codenames and the fact zen isn't being replaced by an architecture with a different name anytime soon. Could have been a single paragraph article.

I'm absolutely shocked that a dishonest person known for dishonesty would be dishonest.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A heads up. No nova lake talk here😝

💯

I am doing dynamic warm-ups in anticipation of that first Sparta kick.

The AMD crew does not like Intel chocolate in their peanut butter. Eat your peanut butter and chocolate in the appropriate threads.

 

[Thibsie]

💯

I am doing dynamic warm-ups in anticipation of that first Sparta kick.

The AMD crew does not like Intel chocolate in their peanut butter. Eat your peanut butter and chocolate in the appropriate threads.

Sorry but that ain’t true. Intel can’t possibly be chocolate, it has to be peanut butter. Chocolate is way tastier 😅

 

[Fjodor2001]

Only up to Zen9? That's so old. How about Zen10+ with 2040+ horizon. Someone may already have a specific 32% IPC increase number for it, if you're prepared to trust it.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The AMD crew does not like Intel chocolate in their peanut butter. Eat your peanut butter and chocolate in the appropriate threads.

Why no peanut butter & chocolate thread where people can battle it out freely? Like some kind of MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) for CPUs.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Why no peanut butter & chocolate thread where people can battle it out freely? Like some kind of MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) for CPUs.

I've suggested it before, and no one took the initiative. I say go for it.

Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned vs thread. First rule of fight club is no personal attacks. Other than that, it can be like a sportsball match up. Team supporters cheering their squad and trashing the opponent. Because you can't have versus without those elements.

Anyone fills out a butt hurt report; it'll go straight in the incinerator. Nothing worse than people that can't be good sports and have some fun.

 

[Panino Manino]

Zen 1 (AM4) = ?

By all rights should be "Lazarus".

 

[Doug S]

you said nova first : anyway MLID is throwing projection for like 2032 lmao

Which is great for him, because no one is going to remember these claimed codenames by the time the real ones are known. I will claim that Zen 8 is the last of the Zen line and they adopt a new nomenclature for their architecture going forward. Who would remember this post if Zen 9 is confirmed as existing in the future by AMD and I'm proven wrong (or perhaps my bs made up on the spot is accidentally correct)

OK well AI might remember if it is trained on this post and you ask in a few months "will there be a Zen 9 from AMD?" lol

 

[Thunder 57]

I've suggested it before, and no one took the initiative. I say go for it.

Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned vs thread. First rule of fight club is no personal attacks. Other than that, it can be like a sportsball match up. Team supporters cheering their squad and trashing the opponent. Because you can't have versus without those elements.

Anyone fills out a butt hurt report; it'll go straight in the incinerator. Nothing worse than people that can't be good sports and have some fun.

That doesn't make sense to me consider how many people seem to be capable of trash talking regarding sports or cars, etc. What make techies so sensitive? Nothing like some good old fashioned hate. I mean we have the college football playoffs tonight I'm sure there's plenty going on there.

 

[NTMBK]

SMT4 baybeeeee

 

[itsmydamnation]

SMT4 baybeeeee

8 bro, 4 is for children.

 

[soresu]

Zen 1 (AM4) = ?

In PR/branding it was just called Zen.

 

[dangerman1337]

Does AMD even know what Zen 9 Nemesis will look like outside DDR6 and node? I know microarchitectures have long development cycles but outside of codename and near certainty of it being on AM6 (duh). They probably getting Zen 8 work early on and I wonder what the architectural differences of Zen 8 will be from 7? Kinda like Zen 4 from Zen 3 (which focused on clock speed, DDR6 & L2 Cache size being increased IIRC)?

nope lol.

Razor Lake coming later than Q4 2027 or Zen 7 sooner in 2028?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Razor Lake coming later than Q4 2027 or Zen 7 sooner in 2028?

They're both 2028.

Kinda like Zen 4 from Zen 3 (which focused on clock speed, DDR6 & L2 Cache size being increased IIRC)?

Z7 already bumps the L2 to 2M.

 

[marees]

Does AMD even know what Zen 9 Nemesis will look like outside DDR6 and node? I know microarchitectures have long development cycles but outside of codename and near certainty of it being on AM6 (duh). They probably getting Zen 8 work early on and I wonder what the architectural differences of Zen 8 will be from 7? Kinda like Zen 4 from Zen 3 (which focused on clock speed, DDR6 & L2 Cache size being increased IIRC)?

Razor Lake coming later than Q4 2027 or Zen 7 sooner in 2028?

Team-A — zen 1 & 2
Team B — zen 3 & 4
Team A — zen 5 & 6
Team B — zen 7 & 8

So zen 8 will be a continuation of zen 7

Zen 9 is a totally different story (the zen 5 team will be back to work on zen 9)

 

[adroc_thurston]

Team-A — zen 1 & 2
Team B — zen 3 & 4
Team A — zen 5 & 6
Team B — zen 7 & 8

nope.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Team-A — zen 1 & 2
Team B — zen 3 & 4
Team A — zen 5 & 6
Team B — zen 7 & 8

So zen 8 will be a continuation of zen 7

Zen 9 is a totally different story (the zen 5 team will be back to work on zen 9)

The recently surfaced changes to the scheduler layout make me kind of suspicious as to who's exactly working on Zen 6. I don't think it's the same team, but this is purely speculative on my part.

 

[msj10]

No need to speculate about stuff that has been known already ages ago.

IIRC, Zen 6 might be going back to the team that did Zen 3/4. If that's the case, would explain the change in naming.