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Beyond loyalty oaths...people escorted from Bush event over bumper stickers on cars

conjur

No Lifer
http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3136534
The U.S. Secret Service on Monday said it was investigating the claims of three people who said they were removed from President Bush's town hall meeting on Social Security last week after being singled out because of a bumper sticker on their car.


The three said they had obtained tickets through the office of Rep. Bob Beauprez, R-Colo., had passed through security and were preparing to take their seats when they were approached by what they thought was a Secret Service agent who asked them to leave.

One woman, Karen Bauer, 38, a marketing coordinator from Denver, said the agent put his hand on her elbow and steered her away from her seat and toward an exit.

"The Secret Service had nothing to do with that," said Lon Garner, special agent in charge of the Secret Service district office in Denver. "We are very sensitive to the First Amendment and general assembly rights as protected by the Constitution."

The Secret Service is in charge of protecting the president.

The three who were removed, along with their attorney, Dan Recht, met with Garner Monday. Recht said he may file a lawsuit based on the group's alleged violation of their First Amendment rights.

Garner said the group appeared confused as to who asked them to leave and declined to release further details, citing an ongoing investigation.

Alex Young, 25, an Internet technology worker from Denver who was among the three removed from the event March 17 at Wings over the Rockies, said officials told them the next day they were identified as belonging to the "No Blood for Oil" group.

Young said they belong to no such group, but the car they drove to the event had a bumper sticker that read: "No More Blood for Oil."

"I don't think a bumper sticker on a friend's car should disqualify me from seeing the president," Young said.

Beauprez distributed tickets to the event, which was part of President Bush's effort to gain support for his plan to overhaul Social Security. Messages left after-hours at Beauprez's office were not immediately returned Monday. A call to Bush's advance team in Denver went unanswered Monday afternoon.

Lawrence Pacheco, a spokesman for Rep. Mark Udall, D-Colo., said the congressman had asked the Secret Service about the group's allegations.

Young, who along with Bauer and lawyer Leslie Weise, 39, is a member of the Denver Progressives, a political activist group. He said the three had T-shirts underneath their business attire that read, "Stop the Lies" and they had talked about exposing them during Bush's visit. He said they had scrapped the plan by the time they arrived at the museum.

Recht said the T-shirts did not play a role in the group's removal.

"They hadn't done anything wrong. They weren't dressed inappropriately, they didn't' say anything inappropriate," Recht said. "They were kicked out of this venue and not allowed to hear what the president had to say based solely on this political bumper sticker.

"The very essence of the First Amendment is that you can't be punished for the speech you make, the statements you make," Recht said.

Several high profile groups, including the older citizens' lobby AARP, oppose changes to Social Security that would privatize the country's retirement safety net.

President Bush has visited at least 17 states since the State of the Union to gain support for his plan, meeting with people who are generally supportive.

Some people who have stood up to disrupt Bush while he was talking have been removed. But a group called Americans United to Protect Social Security said there have been at least two additional instances where people who have done nothing wrong have been removed or barred from a Bush event beforehand.

One instance happened in February in Fargo North Dakota, where a "black list" of people banned from getting tickets was obtained and published by the Forum of Fargo-Moorhead. The White House and the Republican Party denied such a list existed and Gov. John Hoeven's staff said nobody was denied tickets.

Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for Americans United, called the Denver example the most egregious violation.

"They're screening the people who are allowed to come and then they're profiling them in the parking lot," he said. "It's quite extraordinary, and disappointing."
I guess that means if I happened to pull into a parking lot for a Bush event (Cheney was in town here yesterday and I considered going but decided not to), I'd be pulled over, stripped searched, and thrown in jail.

What happened to our democracy?
 
Just imagine what it must be like in the White House. Total unity and conformity without a dissenting voice to be heard.

Kind of reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode where the kid wishes people into the cornfield for doing anything he doesn't like; and everybody keeps telling him it's a good thing out of fear that they will be next if they don't.
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Just imagine what it must be like in the White House. Total unity and conformity without a dissenting voice to be heard.

Kind of reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode where the kid wishes people into the cornfield for doing anything he doesn't like; and everybody keeps telling him it's a good thing out of fear that they will be next if they don't.

It's A Good Life


I think that was Billy Mumy (of Lost in Space fame) 😉
 
This is kinda creepy at the very least. If it's not the SS doing it, who is? The answe to that question might be even more creepy.
 
Welcome to the new Soviet Union - the United States of Bush.

Poor southern, religious fundamentalists have been lied to, caused to vote for Bush, and screwed with Bush's dropping of support for the anti-gay marriage amendement and such.

You fools who voted for Bush - thanks for destroying our freedoms, as this bumper sticker incident has displayed.
 
It helps to understand that people have an unconscious need to seek their own self destruction. That is what makes them brain-washable. We are infected with self hate that we are powerfully motivated to deny and thus unconsciously impelled to back into. We move to realize what we fear. In its extreme form you can see this in the end of the worlders who mass extinct in one manner or another. Humanity itself is on that same road. We will either awaken or we will go extinct. The problem is that we died when we went to sleep and to awaken means to re-experience, relive that old repressed death and that feels like dying all over again. To do this requires help and a proper setting. But any real help or setting will look like it comes from the devil since it will lead to ego death. You were told by Jesus that you have to die to get to heaven, but you don't understand what that means. Die before your death if you can.
 
Insanity. Although the people in question *do* sound like some mischievous troublemakers who got busted and decided to play all innocent. "We weren't actually going to go through with it." :roll:

That doesn't make what happened to them right, however. I see this as a potential trend for all presidents - surround yourself with supportes at all times and never let the public see you face any sort of dissidence. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It helps to understand that people have an unconscious need to seek their own self destruction. That is what makes them brain-washable. We are infected with self hate that we are powerfully motivated to deny and thus unconsciously impelled to back into. We move to realize what we fear. In its extreme form you can see this in the end of the worlders who mass extinct in one manner or another. Humanity itself is on that same road. We will either awaken or we will go extinct. The problem is that we died when we went to sleep and to awaken means to re-experience, relive that old repressed death and that feels like dying all over again. To do this requires help and a proper setting. But any real help or setting will look like it comes from the devil since it will lead to ego death. You were told by Jesus that you have to die to get to heaven, but you don't understand what that means. Die before your death if you can.
Looks who's back..

Have one on me: :beer:
 
It's about time some of the individuals removed from events like this file suit against whomever is responsible for booting them out. And if it's not the SS, as the article suggests, it's probably private security -- or "volunteers." Most likely overzealous volunteers who enjoy trampling all over people's first amendment rights. You can find these people right here. They're easy to spot. They say things like "watch what you say" and "stop feeding your hate."

*ahem*
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Baseless heresay.

No its not, your an idiot it has a base.

The same thing happenend when Bush was in Fargo, ND. A list of indiviuals was published that were banned from his Social Security Speech.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It helps to understand that people have an unconscious need to seek their own self destruction. That is what makes them brain-washable. We are infected with self hate that we are powerfully motivated to deny and thus unconsciously impelled to back into. We move to realize what we fear. In its extreme form you can see this in the end of the worlders who mass extinct in one manner or another. Humanity itself is on that same road. We will either awaken or we will go extinct. The problem is that we died when we went to sleep and to awaken means to re-experience, relive that old repressed death and that feels like dying all over again. To do this requires help and a proper setting. But any real help or setting will look like it comes from the devil since it will lead to ego death. You were told by Jesus that you have to die to get to heaven, but you don't understand what that means. Die before your death if you can.
Looks who's back..

Have one on me: :beer:

😉:beer:

No idea what that means, but it sounds pretty cool. 😛

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It helps to understand that people have an unconscious need to seek their own self destruction. That is what makes them brain-washable. We are infected with self hate that we are powerfully motivated to deny and thus unconsciously impelled to back into. We move to realize what we fear. In its extreme form you can see this in the end of the worlders who mass extinct in one manner or another. Humanity itself is on that same road. We will either awaken or we will go extinct. The problem is that we died when we went to sleep and to awaken means to re-experience, relive that old repressed death and that feels like dying all over again. To do this requires help and a proper setting. But any real help or setting will look like it comes from the devil since it will lead to ego death. You were told by Jesus that you have to die to get to heaven, but you don't understand what that means. Die before your death if you can.


Hey, Moonbeam, looks like you're back in your pro-Jesus mode. What happened to:

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Should parents be allowed to delude their children and teach them lies? Should not every sane individual be aware of the supreme danger to thought that is represented by religion, or should people be free to think any stupid old thing they want even if it leads to the backwardness of the human race?

Really, Moonbeam, this multiple-personality stuff is getting out of hand.
 
What I don't get about this violation, or the numerous other violations being perpetrated by the Bush admininstration is, aren't these violations of Federal law? And if so, why aren't these violations considered criminal?

That is, why aren't those responsible for policies that are in violation of various Federal laws being arrested, brought up on criminal charges, and arraigned before a judge in a court of law? Isn't this what "The rule of law, not of men" means?

 
Because the Bush regime has entrenched itself in such subtle, powerful ways.

It has turned into a monster of deception.

A monster, that one day, will be exposed and desecrated and reduced to ashes with a big'ol nuker, as a result of its continuing ignorance of our US/Mexico border problem for cheap labor over national security.
 
Actually, after some thought, I've come to another conclusion.

One day, the Bush Regime will choke on itself and implode...as many other hungry, greedy animals have their lives ended.

That would be even better for all the World to watch, that fitting retribution!
 
I seem to remember countless reports on how people were removed from Clinton speeches (MR. and MRS). Its nothing new. I personally saw people harassed by Mrs. Clintons goons and told to leave when all they were doing was protesting on the sidewalk outside of her speaking engagement. Wake up folks.
 
Originally posted by: shira
What I don't get about this violation, or the numerous other violations being perpetrated by the Bush admininstration is, aren't these violations of Federal law? And if so, why aren't these violations considered criminal?

That is, why aren't those responsible for policies that are in violation of various Federal laws being arrested, brought up on criminal charges, and arraigned before a judge in a court of law? Isn't this what "The rule of law, not of men" means?

They control everything. Who can one complain to? Welcome to Nazi Germany 1936.

Originally posted by: MCWAR
I seem to remember countless reports on how people were removed from Clinton speeches (MR. and MRS). Its nothing new. I personally saw people harassed by Mrs. Clintons goons and told to leave when all they were doing was protesting on the sidewalk outside of her speaking engagement. Wake up folks.

Provide a few links to these incidents. Besides, there is no comparison to this since these people weren't on the sidewalk "protesting", they were trying to take there seats to hear the SS speech.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
We let it happen...
Not all of us. Just the 51.x% of the registered voters did.

Bastards.


Well, not exactly Conjur. In their minds they had no choice, or rather, only one other choice. It IS our fault. We allow our two parties to keep mindless tools in office. Each and every four years, we get fvcked.
 
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