Beware AMD, low low intel pricing...

[RGN]

Has anyone seen one of the bargain sites this morning? They List Buy.com as having i845 boards starting @ $130 and P4 1.4's in the new socket 478 for a 140 bux. This really puts the intel in the same market price range are AMD. We do know that AMD's stuff benchers faster, but the general public doesn't and will like these prices...


Thoughts?

 

[Scouzer]

i845 = SDR P4 = GARBAGE

 

[ragiepew]

rgn, you're right that intel stuff is getting cheaper... but take a look @ amd's new prices... i saw an Athlon 1.4 selling for ~$105... still cheaper than a 1.4 p4 . Anyway, its good to see the prices drop either way as it makes life for us a bit easier... however i'd like to see them stabilize a bit for the sake of the companies.. they're lossing lots of potential money due to the low prices.

 

[Scouzer]

Oh oh and the general idiot public won't buy AMD anyway so I don't think its a huge deal...

 

[mchammer187]

not yet considerings AMD's flagship 1.4 is around 100 dollars which would spank a p4 1.4 in anything at 40 less. this might change after the price cuts though but a p4 1.8 will still be > 200

 

[Scouzer]

The Northwood looks too dayum promising...512k L2 fullspeed cache...I THINK 533mhz FSB...sigh so fast...I want one if Intel's northwood prices are REALLY good I might get one too...

 

[jeffrey]

AMD needs the darn 333mhz fsb already. It would have been great to relase the new Athlon 4's with a higher bus speed.

 

[Shagga]

nm..sorry

 

[shathal]

AFAIK Northwood won't launch at 133/533 MHz FSB - it would be unlike Intel (or any corporation) to accelerate "new" technologies being introduced into the market.

I think it's more realistic to assume that 133/533 MHz FSB will enter the market sometime next year (though I'd assume it would be with the Northwood core).

AMD and 333 MHz FSB. There's something interesting. DDR 333 MHz should be available stabily soon, but I feat that heat & similar problems are going to prevent AMD from going to 166/333 soon.

We shall see I guess.

 

[RGN]

Um, even with the performance difference, the P4 1.5 is not shabby. YES, I understand that faster is out there. But some of us still don't trust the chipsets yet. I had a terrible experience with a SDRAM KT133A based board. I went runnning back to an intel set and all my problems went away. The 845, as slow as it may be is still a viable upgrade for someone that doesn't want RDRAM. BUT only because the price is right.

 

[TunaBoo]

AMDs are not brain surgery. Take no more brain power than an Intel machine.

 

[AGodspeed]

You know RGN, the VIA chipset problems excuse gets old after a while.

Considering the fact that there have been two great chipsets available to the Athlon for a while now (the AMD 760/761, and SiS 735 for about a month), there's no excuse to say that "AMD is not reliable", or that Intel is the way to go for reliability and stability instead of AMD. The Athlon offers reliability and stability with two different chipsets already. Not to mention nForce coming in the next month or two.

And this VIA KT133 chipset problem. Did you work with this chipset when it first came out? Because as far as I know, this chipset has matured to the point where it's very stable (I run a KT133 and an AMD 760 for each of my AMD systems, there's not a large or even noticeable difference in that regard).

Either way, AMD "compatibility" or "stability" issues are a thing of the past if one opts for an AMD 760/761 or SiS 735. I haven't had much trouble with the KT133 either by the way.

 

[nippyjun]

The bottom line for AMD is that they need to get higher MHZ processors out the door now if they want to continue to take away market share at the same pace that they've been doing lately. The lay public will want faster mhz processors regardless of the actual performance. Luckily there are a lot of us amd fans that are educating our less informed friends about the benefits of amd ownership. Intel will continue to put extreme pricing pressure on amd on a mhz for mhz basis but for the intel chips that are clocked higher then amd chips, intel can price these much higher since they don't have matching amd counterparts.

 

[Sugadaddy]

<< The 845, as slow as it may be is still a viable upgrade for someone that doesn't want RDRAM. BUT only because the price is right. >>



that thing is too slow, they could sell it for 20$ and I wouldn't want one. Buying an 845 also encourages Intel to release more crippled platforms designed for marketing more than performance.


If they really cut the prices of the high end chips and can release Northwood at 2 ghz or more, then I might consider it. It'll probably have to be with RDRAM though because even the VIA chipset isn't too good IMO, but it does have potential.

 

[ragiepew]

anyone else thing that i845 will turn out like another cacheless Celeron (300/333... not the &quot;A's&quot? When they released those chips they got castrated... sounds like this will happen w/ the i845 as well.

 

[majewski9]

I think we have to factor into the picture the desktop palomino. It will be at 1.5 in probaly a week. Early next year Athlon@ 2.0ghz and .13 micron as well as Hammer @ 2.2ghz 64bit!

Ive heard that if Intel pushes the P4 into the value sector that they'll end up hurting their profit margins. It seems Intel is trying to stall AMD's market share gains once again.

 

[ragiepew]

dont know where you heard Hammer will be out @ 2.2ghz but it had better be faster than that when it comes out... hell p4 will be hitting 3+ghz by H2/02. Anyway... they (AMD) stated that ClawHammer would be three times faster than an Athlon 1GHz on introduction, whatever that means .

 

[ragiepew]

Also, 64bit aint gonna help most of us, especially in the home market so I'm not sure what you put it there for ...

 

[Flatline]

Given, the Athlon is still the best price/performance, but Intel is catching up (although, oddly enough, with a chipset they didn't license-the VIA P4 DDR chipset). If the next generation of P4 chips have 512K of L2 cache, they theoretically should outperform Athlons and with two chipsets being released soon to pair the P4 with the less expensive DDR memory (VIA and the second-generation i845), the price/performance could get tighter. This is good for us as consumers but not necessarily good for AMD; however, AMD has proven themselves to be a tough and responsive company as of late and I can't wait to see the war!