better tuck your shirt in at Dalton school!

[waggy]

link

15-year-old boy says a Dolton police officer assigned to his special needs school slammed him against lockers, then wrestled him to the floor and pinned him down, breaking his nose.

The scuffle -- caught by a school camera -- occurred after the unidentified officer scolded Marshawn Pitts for not having his shirt tucked in and sent him to the principal's office at the Academy for Learning in the south suburb, according to the boy's attorney, Ed Manzke.

Apparently the school that he attended had a policy that students had to have their shirts tucked in," Manzke said. "We're fortunate that it [the beating] was caught on videotape."

Dolton Mayor Ronnie Lewis said the officer has since been terminated, but claimed he does not know why. The incident occurred in May at Academy for Learning, a special needs school where Marshawn attended because he suffered brain injuries when he was hit by a car years ago.

The video shows the burly officer approaching Marshawn and talking to him as they walked down a hall. A woman joins them, and she grabs Marshawn's arm. He appears to pull away from her and say something to the officer, who then suddenly pushes the boy against the lockers, then grabs him and throws him to the floor.

Other staffers then rush up to help the officer restrain the boy while others station themselves at hallway doors.

Manzke claimed the officer was swearing at Marshawn, telling him to go to the principal's office. Manzke said the woman who grabbed Pitts' arm told him, "It's okay," and Marshawn told her he was going to see the principal.



there is a link to the video. Ok the boy shouldnt have pulled away from the lady. but that is justification for what the cop did.



UPDATE: trib link

A Dolton cop caught on camera allegedly breaking a 15-year-old special needs student's nose for failing to tuck in his shirt has a troubling history that includes killing a man in a case of disputed self-defense and is now in an Indiana jail on an unrelated rape charge.

Christopher Lloyd, 38, was identified Thursday by his father Charles Lloyd and Dolton Mayor Ronnie Lewis as the officer who in May was recorded by a school security camera scuffling with 15-year-old, 140-pound Marshawn Pitts at the Academy for Learning in Dolton.




whoa..seems like that cop has issues.

 

[gorcorps]

Not sure what the kid said, but it doesn't matter... that cop is so fucked and rightfully so.

 

[joesmoke]

i thought youd be taller...

change your title!

 

[Nitemare]

Good thing he didn't give him a tabasco laced soda

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
Not sure what the kid said, but it doesn't matter... that cop is so fucked and rightfully so.

Agreed. Regardless of what someone said to him, he didn't have the right to use that much force. Maybe he should have remembered the saying from his childhood -- "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

 

[lxskllr]

At least it was a harmless beat down. If he put Tabasco in the kid's drink he'd be nailed to the cross :^S

 

[mugs]

Well as long as he learned to tuck his shirt in it's ok, right?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mugs
Well as long as he learned to tuck his shirt in it's ok, right?

i bet he never goes to school untuckecd again! since we all know pain is a great teacher..

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
At least it was a harmless beat down. If he put Tabasco in the kid's drink he'd be nailed to the cross :^S

I don't see anything wrong with this. Pain's a marvelous motivator. I bet that tard will have his shirt tucked in next time.

 

[rivan]

jesus christ schools and courts are full of liberal pussies these days.

i fear what schools are going to look like in 10 or 20 years. I fear what the kids are going to be like after going through those schools. Kids these days are already bad enough.

Bring back paddles! Am I the only one who wish paddles were still around in school when I was a kid? I am fully capable of realizing some of the stupid shit that happened could have been prevented had I known a paddle was going to find its way onto my ass, and once would have likely been enough.

So paddles aren't allowed. Teachers should still have some way of dealing with unruly children, in ways that aren't just "okay, now go to the principal's office! you'll get a stern talking to, and your parents will be called", because kids are DAMN good at manipulating parents through words to bring the parents into understanding their "side", and thus punishment by parents is avoided.
I know, because I've done it. Didn't always get away with things, my parents weren't pushovers, but I was good with words. And parents, having not witnessed whatever event the child has been reported over, won't always side with a teacher who is responsible for watching 20 kids and might not have seen everything.

And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: mugs
Well as long as he learned to tuck his shirt in it's ok, right?

i bet he never goes to school untuckecd again! since we all know pain is a great teacher..

lol

 

[WA261]

We had to have shirts tucked in w/ a belt when I went to school in the south.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: lxskllr
At least it was a harmless beat down. If he put Tabasco in the kid's drink he'd be nailed to the cross :^S

I don't see anything wrong with this. Pain's a marvelous motivator. I bet that tard will have his shirt tucked in next time.

Yea, except not tucking your shirt in doesn't mean shit. I've gone through most of my life with my shirt untucked. Learning not to drink out of unknown containers is a little more important.... ;^)

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: lxskllr
At least it was a harmless beat down. If he put Tabasco in the kid's drink he'd be nailed to the cross :^S

I don't see anything wrong with this. Pain's a marvelous motivator. I bet that tard will have his shirt tucked in next time.

Yea, except not tucking your shirt in doesn't mean shit. I've gone through most of my life with my shirt untucked. Learning not to drink out of unknown containers is a little more important.... ;^)

You're pointing out the situations are entirely different. I propose they're not.

Both children were ignoring rules, both situations were (at least this seems to be) inappropriately dealt with by the person in authority.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: rivan


You're pointing out the situations are entirely different. I propose they're not.

Both children were ignoring rules, both situations were (at least this seems to be) inappropriately dealt with by the person in authority.

So What your advocating is one punishment for every crime. Kill 20 people you get a life sentence or death. Go 20mph over the speed limit you get a life sentence or death...

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: rivan


You're pointing out the situations are entirely different. I propose they're not.

Both children were ignoring rules, both situations were (at least this seems to be) inappropriately dealt with by the person in authority.

So What your advocating is one punishment for every crime. Kill 20 people you get a life sentence or death. Go 20mph over the speed limit you get a life sentence or death...

Where on earth did you get that? I'm not advocating FOR any specific punishment of anything - only against the ones that have been discussed today.

I'm saying that in at least one case, and probably this second, the person in a position of authority acted inappropriately.

Lacing a soda with anything wasn't a prudent or appropriate measure for the teacher to take - there were plenty of other choices for her, including keeping her soda out of fucking reach. Giving a beatdown wasn't a prudent or appropriate measure for the cop to take; the video seems like he just snaps and is overly rough to a kid who appears to not be fighting back - he too had other choices using less force. Seems like he went from 0 to 100 on the kid when he MAY have been able to get by with 20.

And ask any of the cop-haters on this board, I'll almost always side generously on the side of the cops where there's any question. Heck, maybe there's history of this kid being physical with this cop, who knows. The video just really doesn't look good.

 

[lxskllr]

I just don't equate putting Tabasco in a soda that shouldn't have been drank by a kid anyway, to breaking some kids face for not tucking in his shirt.

 

[blackdogdeek]

i thought OP was referring to the Dalton School in NYC. it's actually a school in Dolton, IL.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: rivan
jesus christ schools and courts are full of liberal pussies these days.

i fear what schools are going to look like in 10 or 20 years. I fear what the kids are going to be like after going through those schools. Kids these days are already bad enough.

Bring back paddles! Am I the only one who wish paddles were still around in school when I was a kid? I am fully capable of realizing some of the stupid shit that happened could have been prevented had I known a paddle was going to find its way onto my ass, and once would have likely been enough.

So paddles aren't allowed. Teachers should still have some way of dealing with unruly children, in ways that aren't just "okay, now go to the principal's office! you'll get a stern talking to, and your parents will be called", because kids are DAMN good at manipulating parents through words to bring the parents into understanding their "side", and thus punishment by parents is avoided.
I know, because I've done it. Didn't always get away with things, my parents weren't pushovers, but I was good with words. And parents, having not witnessed whatever event the child has been reported over, won't always side with a teacher who is responsible for watching 20 kids and might not have seen everything.

And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

we had paddles in my elementary school. Sure kept most of us in check ill tell you that. And im not THAT old. Only 36

 

[Sea Moose]

Omg that school is under siege by white orbs!!!!

 

[BrownShoes]

Don't be a fool, stay in school (and get your ass beat by a cop).

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: rivan
And kids who are "mentally challenged" are worse. Their behavior is fucking pathetic, because "OMG they're not capable of understanding, I can't punish them for that!", so they rarely get physical punishment. Seriously? The world is NOT going to bend to retarded people. If we are going to permit them life, where often they require a lot of assistance from others, they need to learn the world is equal opportunity. Equal opportunity in every way, including punishment. I've seen too many times a retarded kid get away with things that no one ought to get away with, and it's only because they "aren't capable of understanding". You best believe they're capable of learning, just the same as a 2 or 3 year old is capable of learning. They may have less control if they have less of of a developed conscious mind that helps the normal individual to weigh risks versus rewards, all depending on how mentally retarded they are. Think of a dog even - they don't have the capability of understanding language, but they'll sure as hell learn tone and eventually what actions will net them what reward or punishment, and adjust behavior accordingly.
Behavior modification is something that must be adjusted based on the learning capability of an individual. If stern words and time outs don't work, you gotta do something else within your means. I personally think an beatdown for an untucked shirt in the hall, in which case the child wears without permission, is a very creative idea for behavior modification. It probably worked wonders too. The child absolutely dreaded the end result of his actions, and that most likely taught him that wearing his shirt untucked was not a fond experience and won't want to repeat said actions.

Would you like a chocolate?

 

[Sea Moose]

I bet the kid called the cop a pig or somthing.... and then unleashed the army of the orbs

 

[Oceandevi]

That was idiotic. The kid could have broken his neck. If you think thats not true watch it again. He launched the little punk. Seriously stupid on the cops part.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
I bet the kid called the cop a pig or somthing.... and then unleashed the army of the orbs

so? thats not justification for doing what he did.