Better option than Droid Turbo 2 for Verizon

Fardringle

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I'm finally being dragged kicking and screaming into the smartphone age. My current phone is an LG Env2 and I've loved it because it's cheap, small, and is still working after being dropped a ridiculous number of times on a wide variety of hard surfaces. I also have a Nexus 7 tablet that I use for my portable/mobile entertainment needs so a smart phone really hasn't been a necessity at all.

However, my work is going to have me start doing mobile support repair calls and I'll need access to mobile data at many of the locations for troubleshooting and reporting and ordering parts as needed. The employer doesn't provide phones for this purpose, but they do give a monthly allowance to help cover the cost. I'll buy the phone but they'll pay for the plan.

I'm going with Verizon since they are the only carrier that has a usable signal in many of the areas we support, and I have no problem using a 2 year contract to get a discounted phone since I've been with Verizon for well over 10 years and don't see that changing at any time due to their superior coverage.

Anyway, on to the subject at hand: Which phone to get?

I'm really liking the looks of the Droid Turbo 2 with its really nice screen (probably 90% of the screen time on my Nexus 7 is Netflix and playback of movies stored on a USB drive through OTG), so a better screen is a big plus). A good sized screen (bigger is better) will also let me leave the old Nexus 7 at home so I don't have to carry two devices around.

I have a nice camera but don't carry it often because it's large, so a reasonably decent camera in the phone would be nice for catching impromptu snapshots and taking pictures of client computer and printer equipment to show evidence of damage/abuse (you might be surprised how often it happens).

Expandable storage to make room for more movies without needing to carry the OTG drive is also nice, but not a high priority since 32GB is plenty to hold more than a handful of movies at a time

The biggest apparent benefit I can see is the "unbreakable" screen. I'm sure it can be broken, but the fact that Motorola will replace it for free if it does break makes this important to me since I've been known to drop my current phone on many occasions. Especially if that means that the phone is durable enough to ride in the pocket of my pants without needing a bulky case or screen cover.

The reported battery life is also a nice bonus since I do play a few games now and then that tend to drain the battery of my Nexus VERY quickly, but not a deal breaker since I'm rarely away from a power source for more than a few hours.



So, long story short: Is there a better option than the Droid Turbo 2 on the Verizon network in the <$600 range ($199 on contract)? Slightly higher is a possibility for something significantly better. Or even something cheaper that is a good alternative?


p.s I assume most smartphones now are able to act as a wifi access point, but if not, that's an absolute must since it's the main reason I'm getting a new phone, so any phone that can't do it is not an option.
 

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Fardringle

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I won't be leaving Verizon, and upgrade phones only when absolutely necessary (still using a 2008 Envy2) so I don't know what "rights" I'm giving up. I really don't care to get the newest "shiny" OS updates either, so that really doesn't concern me much either. I've actually seen and used Marshmallow for a bit and don't see any benefit to it with plenty of negatives, so NOT having it is actually a bonus.

Paying $600+ cash up front for an unlocked phone really has no appeal to me since my next upgrade will only happen if/when the phone I buy now dies completely, or if I get into a situation where I need a feature that can only be obtained by replacing the phone. Especially since my employer will effectively end up paying for it if I roll the cost into a monthly contract. Buying/selling used phones is about a zero priority on a 0-100 scale.

edit: The 6P is a nice phone, but is it a better choice than the Turbo 2 if having an unlocked phone doesn't matter?
 
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cronos

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I don't have anything to say against that, especially based on your needs for it. I think it's a great phone that will suit you.
 

paperwastage

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Verizon no longer does contracts for new subscribers... Since you are moving from a nonsmartphone to smartphone, likely you'll need a new data plan (and can't do new contract) if you don't already have a data plan on your env2

Verizon does equipment financing now. See that $650 phone? Divide $650 by 24 (months), you pay an extra $27/month for 24 months on top of the data+voice plan charges
 

DefDC

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For your needs, it'll be a great phone. I'll need to replace my phone soon, and I'm done with the Note line If my phone dies, the Turbo 2 makes my short list. Good screen, good battery, expandable storage, and durable. Since it's a moto-phone, it might get some updates a bit quicker than the typical Verizon phone. (That's for security sake more than "new stuff".)
 

Artdeco

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Buying Verizon exclusive device locked on their network - bad idea ... you're giving up all rights.
Verizon is very slow in timely supporting the Android devices, many got burned that way.
This is example of what I mean:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/12/0...get-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-us/

If I were you, I would look at Nexus 6P unlocked but make sure it does work 100% on Verizon network.

No LTE phones sold by Verizon have been carrier locked, ever.
 

paperwastage

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No LTE phones sold by Verizon have been carrier locked, ever.

technically some (Verizon LTE) phones were blocked from using on USA GSM networks... works on most international GSM networks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1938246
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766479
(Droid 4 is a LTE band 13 phone with CDMA+GSM capability)

I believe some of the earlier lte phones (rezound, RAZR maxx) were factory sim locked and then unlocked via an update.. Need to check
 
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nOOky

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Anecdotal evidence or maybe just my experiences, but the Turbo 2 addresses two of the most common complaints concerning smartphones for the average consumer.

First, the display. My wife has one, has dropped it multiple times, it's still just fine. I never drop my phone as I'm careful, but never say never. When I drop my LG G4 from 4 feet high onto the ground I expect it'll break. Accidents happen, your hands get full, etc. so simply saying "don't drop your phone and it won't break" is kind of dismissive.

Second, the battery life. Again, the wife has one, and uses it all day for her small business and some light gaming/Facebooking etc., it is still over 50% at the end of the day.

As for the rest, updates, display quality, camera etc. it's easily not the best phone, but it is certainly right up there with any other current smartphone and is competitive. She does not have a case on her phone, which I like because having a thin and light smartphone and putting it in a huge Otterbox or other case has always been kind of amusing to me.

I also like the ability to swap out uSD cards, the downside is that they send you a special little tool that you need to remove the card, I have not tried using anything else to remove it yet.

If you're like me and Verizon offers you the best coverage in your home area, I don't see why a 2 year contract matters if you'll be using their service anyway.
 

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If you dont mind verizon bloatware installed and slow or no operating system updates then getting the droid turbo 2 is a good idea. I have had two motorola phones and liked them alot except for the reasons mentioned above.

Since i got tired of the lack of updates I got the nexus 5x from google and got verizon to send me a nano sim.
 

Fardringle

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Verizon no longer does contracts for new subscribers... Since you are moving from a nonsmartphone to smartphone, likely you'll need a new data plan (and can't do new contract) if you don't already have a data plan on your env2

Verizon does equipment financing now. See that $650 phone? Divide $650 by 24 (months), you pay an extra $27/month for 24 months on top of the data+voice plan charges
I don't have a data plan, but I do have an old MIFI that I have occasionally activated for one time mobile data use when it is needed. That might be the reason why Verizon still gives me the option to do a cheap subsidized phone on a contract. I'm not sure, but their system will definitely let me do it.

Interesting phone. Nice in some ways, and weird in others. Personally, I think a fingerprint scanner and that "extra screen" are both a waste of space on the device. Use that extra space to make the main screen bigger. :)

Also, I've read lots of reports that say the screen cracks very easily, which would be a major downside for me since I'm kind of a butterfingers sometimes.

If you dont mind verizon bloatware installed and slow or no operating system updates then getting the droid turbo 2 is a good idea. I have had two motorola phones and liked them alot except for the reasons mentioned above.

Since i got tired of the lack of updates I got the nexus 5x from google and got verizon to send me a nano sim.
As long as the stuff doesn't get in the way of actual usage of the phone, I don't mind, especially if unwanted programs can be disabled.
 

Raduque

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I have a DT2 and I love it. uSD, great screen, lots of battery life, built-in wireless charging, Google-stock Android. The Verizon built-in apps are all disable-able and the Moto apps are actually useful.

The ShatterShield screen works, but the top layer is prone to scratches. It is easily replaced though, and can be bought from Motorola without the Verizon check.
 

mcveigh

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Anecdotal evidence or maybe just my experiences, but the Turbo 2 addresses two of the most common complaints concerning smartphones for the average consumer.

First, the display. My wife has one, has dropped it multiple times, it's still just fine. I never drop my phone as I'm careful, but never say never. When I drop my LG G4 from 4 feet high onto the ground I expect it'll break. Accidents happen, your hands get full, etc. so simply saying "don't drop your phone and it won't break" is kind of dismissive.

Second, the battery life. Again, the wife has one, and uses it all day for her small business and some light gaming/Facebooking etc., it is still over 50% at the end of the day.

As for the rest, updates, display quality, camera etc. it's easily not the best phone, but it is certainly right up there with any other current smartphone and is competitive. She does not have a case on her phone, which I like because having a thin and light smartphone and putting it in a huge Otterbox or other case has always been kind of amusing to me.

I also like the ability to swap out uSD cards, the downside is that they send you a special little tool that you need to remove the card, I have not tried using anything else to remove it yet.

If you're like me and Verizon offers you the best coverage in your home area, I don't see why a 2 year contract matters if you'll be using their service anyway.

MY wife has the same experience. Awesome phone! Perfect size. I have the LG V10 and kinda wish I'd gotten the Droid Turbo2. bu the V10 camera is better.
 

paperwastage

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I don't have a data plan, but I do have an old MIFI that I have occasionally activated for one time mobile data use when it is needed. That might be the reason why Verizon still gives me the option to do a cheap subsidized phone on a contract. I'm not sure, but their system will definitely let me do it.

still, check out the pricing. it depends on the data plan you get

when Verizon still had 2-year contracts, you could get: (prices below are sample

10GB ($100) + 1 line w/ subsidy ($40) = $140

$140 * 24 months + $199 (subsidy downpayment) = $3599 over 2 years




or 10GB ($100) + 1 line w/o subsidy ($15) + equipment financing ($27) = $142

$142 * 24 = $3408, cheaper
 

nOOky

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I'm not dismissing these things as you are definitely right, but the bloatware can be minimized by uninstalling or simply not using it. As for updates, I like to get the latest android version as soon as possible, but sometimes the latest isn't always the greatest, there are plenty of threads around about android updates killing batteries etc. so take that FWIW. Bear in mind that 5.1 is a fairly stable version so the 6.0 update isn't required, but would be nice.

Another thing about this phone is the display to bezel ratio isn't the best, I'd rather see it improved, but it is what it is.


If you dont mind verizon bloatware installed and slow or no operating system updates then getting the droid turbo 2 is a good idea. I have had two motorola phones and liked them alot except for the reasons mentioned above.

Since i got tired of the lack of updates I got the nexus 5x from google and got verizon to send me a nano sim.
 

Fardringle

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still, check out the pricing. it depends on the data plan you get

when Verizon still had 2-year contracts, you could get: (prices below are sample

10GB ($100) + 1 line w/ subsidy ($40) = $140

$140 * 24 months + $199 (subsidy downpayment) = $3599 over 2 years




or 10GB ($100) + 1 line w/o subsidy ($15) + equipment financing ($27) = $142

$142 * 24 = $3408, cheaper

That's a good point and definitely worth checking. I just did a quick check and it looks like the phone on monthly payments plus a 4GB data plan (I just picked the lowest for testing) would be $102 per month, while the same phone on a 2 year contract with 4GB data is $100 per month plus the $199 purchase price of the phone and a $40 upgrade fee. That makes the phone and service $2448 for 2 years on monthly payments, or $2639 on contract including needing $239 up front...
 

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That's a good point and definitely worth checking. I just did a quick check and it looks like the phone on monthly payments plus a 4GB data plan (I just picked the lowest for testing) would be $102 per month, while the same phone on a 2 year contract with 4GB data is $100 per month plus the $199 purchase price of the phone and a $40 upgrade fee. That makes the phone and service $2448 for 2 years on monthly payments, or $2639 on contract including needing $239 up front...

yeah... it really depends on the phone

there is incentive for you now to get a cheaper phone (or stay on same phone) instead of a $649 flagship every two years

if you don't need a lot of data and the fringe benefits (eg: int'l roaming), verizon prepaid makes even more sense and has even lower taxes

$60 (3GB + unlimited talk/text) + $27/month (assuming expensive $649/24 = $27/month) = $87.... add $10/GB overage, still comes out cheaper for you

unfortunately, I don't think Verizon allows equipment financing ($649/24) on prepaid... correct me if I'm wrong
 

s44

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sometimes the latest isn't always the greatest
Oh, absolutely. But the thing is that 5.0 and 5.1 were crap, so getting to 6.0 is way more important than 4.4->5.0 (which, in retrospect, most people regretted).
 

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For your needs, it'll be a great phone. I'll need to replace my phone soon, and I'm done with the Note line If my phone dies, the Turbo 2 makes my short list. Good screen, good battery, expandable storage, and durable. Since it's a moto-phone, it might get some updates a bit quicker than the typical Verizon phone. (That's for security sake more than "new stuff".)

I wish this was true, as my Moto X 2nd gen bought a year ago from Verizon on contract ( $ 10.00 month discount via my employer ) is stuck on 5.1. Originally no Marshmellow was scheduled for this phone from Verizon, although now the rumor is maybe, even tho it is just one year old. Verizon told me on the phone last week they don't sell any phone currently with anything newer than 5.1. Updates from Verizon are no sure thing sadly. Buy an locked phone and take it to Verizon is my next move when its time to upgrade.
 

postmortemIA

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I wish this was true, as my Moto X 2nd gen bought a year ago from Verizon on contract ( $ 10.00 month discount via my employer ) is stuck on 5.1. Originally no Marshmellow was scheduled for this phone from Verizon, although now the rumor is maybe, even tho it is just one year old. Verizon told me on the phone last week they don't sell any phone currently with anything newer than 5.1. Updates from Verizon are no sure thing sadly. Buy an locked phone and take it to Verizon is my next move when its time to upgrade.

Yep, with way Verizon does updates your phone will be obsolete for sure by the time you hit 2 yrs mark. You think it is not big deal that you got older Android. Well at some point apps stop supporting older Android releases. Even the built in apps stop working properly since. Bugs never get fixed...

Not sure why would you want to pay premium price and get last year software... it is like buying last generation car for price of newest one

There's also nasty truth that most devices work the best with original software and every further release slows it down and destroys battery life. Now, it is not just extra bloat with the new version, it is just that maker doesn't care much about optimizing your 1 yrs old device.
 
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accguy9009

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I'm not dismissing these things as you are definitely right, but the bloatware can be minimized by uninstalling or simply not using it. As for updates, I like to get the latest android version as soon as possible, but sometimes the latest isn't always the greatest, there are plenty of threads around about android updates killing batteries etc. so take that FWIW. Bear in mind that 5.1 is a fairly stable version so the 6.0 update isn't required, but would be nice.

Another thing about this phone is the display to bezel ratio isn't the best, I'd rather see it improved, but it is what it is.

you can't uninstall the verizon apps but you don't have to use them
 

Fardringle

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yeah... it really depends on the phone
if you don't need a lot of data and the fringe benefits (eg: int'l roaming), verizon prepaid makes even more sense and has even lower taxes

$60 (3GB + unlimited talk/text) + $27/month (assuming expensive $649/24 = $27/month) = $87.... add $10/GB overage, still comes out cheaper for you

unfortunately, I don't think Verizon allows equipment financing ($649/24) on prepaid... correct me if I'm wrong
I can see the potential to save some money long term here, but if I have to buy the phone up front I'll have a really hard time convincing my wife to let me get anything more than something cheap and basic that I'll probably hate just because I'll know it could be better. It's certainly something to consider, though. Thanks! :)
 

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I can see the potential to save some money long term here, but if I have to buy the phone up front I'll have a really hard time convincing my wife to let me get anything more than something cheap and basic that I'll probably hate just because I'll know it could be better. It's certainly something to consider, though. Thanks! :)

put it on a 0% credit card, or if you are looking at the Moto X Pure, motorola offers 0% financing (still needs a hard pull.. might as well get a 0% credit card instead if you qualify?)

http://www.motorola.com/us/motorola-finance-pdp.html

if you want your phone to last > 2 years - you're looking at hardware considerations ("unbreakable" screen)... as other people mention, you need to look at software considerations as well (moto x pure = more updates AND you can switch to ATT/Tmobile/Sprint at any time)