Bestbuy contributing to credit card fraud

Pardus

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"Sep 16, 2007 04:30 AM
Glen Murray

I called the Best Buy in Whitby because I couldn't believe it would be that easy.

The phone rang only twice and a crisp young voice answered, "Best Buy, can I help you?" I asked about how I could get a Best Buy Credit Card. The very chipper voice said that all I needed was a driver's licence and a major credit card. "What if I don't have a driver's licence?" I asked. Don't worry. I was covered if I had my Social Insurance Number (SIN) and some proof of my home address.

I asked how long it would take to get the card. "Two to four minutes" she assured me and, not only that, she exclaimed I would be issued a temporary account card I could use "that same day!" "How convenient," I said barely hiding my sarcasm.

Well, that explained how on Oct. 2, 2006, it took just two to four minutes to become a victim of identity theft and credit card fraud.

A person pretending to be me, filled out a Best Buy credit application with the wrong birth date, they offered two phone numbers, one phone number was the general number for the University of Toronto and the other was not in service. Not only was the home address wrong, it was for a city I had never lived in.

Nothing was done to verify the person's identity beyond accepting the SIN. The application was sent into Wells Fargo, which handles Best Buy's credit cards. It used the SIN to check with the credit bureau. As I had a good credit record, the card was authorized. No further steps were taken to ensure that the person applying for the card was actually me.

Emboldened and now armed with one credit card, the imposter marched over to the Whitby Home Depot and repeated the crime. Within a few hours, the Best Buy card was maxed out and Home Depot card had a few thousand dollars charged against it.

The cards require no down payment and these retailers require no payment for months. The better part of a year would go by before there would be any recorded delinquency on the card.

I only discovered this crime in August of this year, when a collection agency called to collect on the overdue accounts.

I then called the retailers to find out how this happened. I was told over and over again by the people at Home Depot and Best Buy, and their respective finance providers Citicards Canada and Wells Fargo, that they would never give out a credit card based on a SIN and home address. I spent hours investigating only to discover that that is exactly what happened.

Then I found out the credit bureaus had been notified of these unpaid bills and my credit rating was dramatically downgraded.

The retailers who rush to give out easy credit, require no payments for the better part of a year and ask for little proof of identity, have made credit card fraud and identity theft one of the easiest crimes to commit.

No amount of evidence from me was sufficient for the credit bureaus to expunge my record. The absurdity is that the victim of this crime has to rely on these same lax retailers and finance companies to clear their name with the credit bureau. There is no chipper voice from Best Buy telling you that they will clear up this matter up in two to four minutes.

What makes me angry is that all this could be happening to you or me again right now.

Credit account fraud and counterfeit cards involve over 270,000 accounts and cost Canadian consumers, retailers and financial institutions about $250 million every year.

Until there is a law requiring minimum identity standards for issuing credit we are all very vulnerable to identity theft."
 

piasabird

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J C Penney's is even worse they gave me some bogous insurance even though no one authorized it. Never received a policy or an insurance card. What a racket. It is all a big scam. Now I get to fight the collection agency about this.

Think I am kidding? Read this:

J C PENNEY's Steals My Money.
 

Kaspian

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I noticed the Home Depot was mentioned in the original post. Late last year I received a HD creditcard in the mail. NOt an offer, but the actual credit card. I didn't think anything of it and kept it. I have rental property and there is a HD nearby. Within a couple of months I received another one. And later on it was my wife. We dont remember getting any offers in the mail nor applying at the store (we normally go to lowes). :confused: The credit reports show no "weird" activity.......I just dont know.:confused:
 

Felisity

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And that's why every responsible, intelligent consumer should be monitoring his or her credit reports EVERY single month. It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for a person who does not do this important practice monthly to protect his or her identity. In today's world, it's a necessity.
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: Kaelyn
And that's why every responsible, intelligent consumer should be monitoring his or her credit reports EVERY single month. It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for a person who does not do this important practice monthly to protect his or her identity. In today's world, it's a necessity.

That's ridiculous. People shouldn't have to pay in order to make sure no one is victimizing them. And to monitor it monthly, you have to pay. Freecreditreport.com is only free once every year, IIRC.
 

Felisity

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Kaelyn
And that's why every responsible, intelligent consumer should be monitoring his or her credit reports EVERY single month. It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for a person who does not do this important practice monthly to protect his or her identity. In today's world, it's a necessity.

That's ridiculous. People shouldn't have to pay in order to make sure no one is victimizing them. And to monitor it monthly, you have to pay. Freecreditreport.com is only free once every year, IIRC.

It being ridiculous isn't the point I was making. Of course it is. None of us should have to monitor our financial lives to the extreme in order to protect ourselves. The plain fact of the matter is though, that it's becoming a necessity in order to ensure no one is trying to steal your idenity.

 

KB

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In the US you don't have to pay credit card bills that you didn't create. You might have to file a police report and go through a lot of hoops that shouldn't be necessary. Is the same true of Canada?
 

ghostman

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Kaelyn
And that's why every responsible, intelligent consumer should be monitoring his or her credit reports EVERY single month. It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for a person who does not do this important practice monthly to protect his or her identity. In today's world, it's a necessity.

That's ridiculous. People shouldn't have to pay in order to make sure no one is victimizing them. And to monitor it monthly, you have to pay. Freecreditreport.com is only free once every year, IIRC.

Please be careful about what you post. The free credit report website is www.annualcreditreport.com , which offers credit reports from the 3 major credit reporting agencies (Equifax, TransUnion and Experian). You can get a free credit report from EACH of these companies (through this website only), so you can a total of 3 credit reports per year. That allows you to review your credit report every 4 months.

In addition, there are other opportunities to get a credit report (source: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/green/cc/crdt2e.asp ):

1. If you applied for a loan and were turned down, you can request a copy by writing the correct credit bureau within 30 days of the rejection. With your request, you should include a copy of the declined loan application.
2. You can also get a free report if you are unemployed, planning to apply for jobs in the next 60 days, receiving public welfare assistance or believe the credit file contains mistakes resulting from fraud.
3. Some states already offer a free annual credit report from each of the three agencies. Residents of Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey and Vermont are entitled to one free series annually. Georgia residents are entitled to two free annual credit reports from each credit reporting agency.
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: ghostman
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Kaelyn
Things.

Stuff.

Please be careful about what you post. The free credit report website is www.annualcreditreport.com , which offers credit reports from the 3 major credit reporting agencies (Equifax, TransUnion and Experian). You can get a free credit report from EACH of these companies (through this website only), so you can a total of 3 credit reports per year. That allows you to review your credit report every 4 months.

In addition, there are other opportunities to get a credit report (source: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/green/cc/crdt2e.asp ):

1. If you applied for a loan and were turned down, you can request a copy by writing the correct credit bureau within 30 days of the rejection. With your request, you should include a copy of the declined loan application.
2. You can also get a free report if you are unemployed, planning to apply for jobs in the next 60 days, receiving public welfare assistance or believe the credit file contains mistakes resulting from fraud.
3. Some states already offer a free annual credit report from each of the three agencies. Residents of Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey and Vermont are entitled to one free series annually. Georgia residents are entitled to two free annual credit reports from each credit reporting agency.


I didn't know about that. Once every 4 months seems like it'd be worthwhile. Good info, thanks.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: KB
In the US you don't have to pay credit card bills that you didn't create. You might have to file a police report and go through a lot of hoops that shouldn't be necessary. Is the same true of Canada?

even though you don't have to pay, it still stays on your credit report until it is resolved and from what it appears, that is almost as much fun as pulling all your teeth out...
 

spacejamz

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and this thread/article is pretty crappy for just singling out Best Buy as you can probably do this at any major retailer (as others in this thread have already mentioned)...
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Kaelyn
And that's why every responsible, intelligent consumer should be monitoring his or her credit reports EVERY single month. It's kind of hard to feel sympathy for a person who does not do this important practice monthly to protect his or her identity. In today's world, it's a necessity.

That's ridiculous. People shouldn't have to pay in order to make sure no one is victimizing them. And to monitor it monthly, you have to pay. Freecreditreport.com is only free once every year, IIRC.

annualcreditreport.com is what you're thinking of. freecreditreport isn't even free, you have to 'enroll in triple advantage' (which is free for the first month, but you have to go through the hassle of cancelling, and i doubt they'll let you do it once a year every year)
 

mugs

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Article title: "Retailers contribute to fraud"
Topic title: "Bestbuy contributing to credit card fraud "

Oh I see what you did there.
 

Rickten

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I have a collections notice on my credit because the phone company didn't turn off my phone when i told them too. The people who moved into the apartment after me found this out and ran up a huge bill. 3 years, yes 3 years later this shows up on my credit report. Pac Bell isn't even around anymore from what I understand its SBC now. I called the collections agency asking for info and how to resolve it they kept saying..

"sir are you going to pay"
"sir that doesn't matter how would you like to pay"
"sir its not our job to fix your bad credit"
"sir unless you would like to setup a payment I'm done with this coversation."

I called all three credit agencies they did their BS check to validate the collection and told me there was nothing they could do and I had to work it out with the collections agency.

I tried calling SBC to find out what had happened and after 3 seperate phone conversations and requesting them to see if they recorded the conversation in which I cancelled my account they simply said "it wasn't cancelled till 2 months after you claim to have moved out" even though i remember calling to cancel and the nice lady telling me she had cancelled the account.
 

Kaspian

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Originally posted by: ghostman
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Please be careful about what you post. The free credit report website is www.annualcreditreport.com , which offers credit reports from the 3 major credit reporting agencies (Equifax, TransUnion and Experian). You can get a free credit report from EACH of these companies (through this website only), so you can a total of 3 credit reports per year. That allows you to review your credit report every 4 months.

In addition, there are other opportunities to get a credit report (source: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/green/cc/crdt2e.asp ):

1. If you applied for a loan and were turned down, you can request a copy by writing the correct credit bureau within 30 days of the rejection. With your request, you should include a copy of the declined loan application.
2. You can also get a free report if you are unemployed, planning to apply for jobs in the next 60 days, receiving public welfare assistance or believe the credit file contains mistakes resulting from fraud.
3. Some states already offer a free annual credit report from each of the three agencies. Residents of Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey and Vermont are entitled to one free series annually. Georgia residents are entitled to two free annual credit reports from each credit reporting agency.


Thats Great Info!:thumbsup:

Thank you!:)

Kas

 

compnovice

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Originally posted by: Rickten
I have a collections notice on my credit because the phone company didn't turn off my phone when i told them too. The people who moved into the apartment after me found this out and ran up a huge bill. 3 years, yes 3 years later this shows up on my credit report. Pac Bell isn't even around anymore from what I understand its SBC now. I called the collections agency asking for info and how to resolve it they kept saying..

"sir are you going to pay"
"sir that doesn't matter how would you like to pay"
"sir its not our job to fix your bad credit"
"sir unless you would like to setup a payment I'm done with this coversation."

I called all three credit agencies they did their BS check to validate the collection and told me there was nothing they could do and I had to work it out with the collections agency.

I tried calling SBC to find out what had happened and after 3 seperate phone conversations and requesting them to see if they recorded the conversation in which I cancelled my account they simply said "it wasn't cancelled till 2 months after you claim to have moved out" even though i remember calling to cancel and the nice lady telling me she had cancelled the account.

Same frickin thing happened with my Time Warner Cable... Those bastards kept on billing me for 3 months after I moved out (inspite of cancellation)...

Whats worse, now the CSR's of many companies don't even have an identifying number OR they don't provide you one even after asking. Its impossible for a customer to trace who cancelled their accounts or made changes to them...
 

Raduque

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I have such horrible credit, nobody would ever be able to get loans or credit cards with my identity anyway.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: Raduque
I have such horrible credit, nobody would ever be able to get loans or credit cards with my identity anyway.
Wrong.

Even with a rotten score plenty of companies will give you cards and loans. They just wont give you all the special offers, like low interest or no payments for 6 months.

Just like you can still get insurance after a DUI, if you dont mind paying 6 grand a year.
 

jagec

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But how would they get your SS# in the first place?

I know it's not impossible, but there are steps you can take to safeguard that oh-so-important number.
 

Cuda1447

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SS# is easy as shit to get. How many places require it? How many times do you give it to people you don't know? All it takes is one of those people who doesn't give a shit to steal it. I could steal probably 30-40 SSN's a week with ease. Actually, full identities if I wanted. Its not difficult AT ALL.
 

potato28

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Never go to that Best Buy. It's the scummiest place in all of Whitby. Same with the Future Shop across the street. And get a passport if you don't have a drivers license.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: jagec
But how would they get your SS# in the first place?

I know it's not impossible, but there are steps you can take to safeguard that oh-so-important number.

I've been to 2 doctors that wanted my SSI# as part of my info. I told her I no longer
give out my# and she would not let me see the Doc until i did. Fine, I gave her a random
set of #'s and that was that. Too many people are using the SSI# as a "human ID" and
it only sets the table for more ID theft in the future..