Well, I bought my Aureal Vortex2 for $50 new and it had an optical out, and that was over a year ago. Since then, Creative massacured Aureal, and put them out of business, so I need a new card for win2k. Hence, I don't want a Creative card, I'm against their way of business.
I just orderd and Aopen AW744 Pro for $35, supports 4 speaker, optical out, and comes with an optical cable ($20 value alone). It uses the Yamaha 744B chipset, so drivers shouldn't be too much of an issue.
compared to buying a live! value for $50 + shipping + $25+ for the optical addon + $20 for optical cable.
Creative overprices their products way to much. Aureal cards had always been around $50, some specialized up to $100, but creatives $50, 100, and 200 is just rediculus for a two year old card.