best weapon to carry around in the city

[videogames101]

Get out of the gang.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: meltdown75
enquiring minds want to know what dangerous city you live in

He lives in STL... ranked second most dangerous city. I think he has reasonable concern to be prepared.

Damn, dude, get a fucking gun!

Uh and I get around Oakland just fine.... You don't need a gun...

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Fox OC spray. About the most effective stuff you can get. And good shoes that fit tight if you have to run.

If you really need to, just carry without a permit. I don't know where you are, but if you are caught it might not be a big deal. Here it's not. And if you get caught carrying after you've had to use it, then it's not a big deal.

If you're shooting someone, you really want to be able to say "I'm allowed to carry this and defend myself with it."

And as for all the people saying that the OP is a wuss - you never know what you'll run into. It's better to be prepared than being cocky - because an e-peen is not going to stop a thug on the street.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Deeko

That's dumb. Do you know how many times a city dweller hits the streets? A whole lot. I'm not carrying a gun around with me everywhere I go for the EXTREMELY unlikely chance I get mugged. Most murders in the city are drug or gang related, not a result of being mugged or something that you have a gun on you on the streets is going to help.

Plus, this isn't the movies. If a guy steps out of the shadows and puts a gun to your head, chances are you're gonna wind up dead if you try to pull your gun on him.

Throw that "true blue" crap out, I'm not anti gun, I'm just saying that having a gun on you while you walk the city streets is not going to raise your life expectancy.

You're full of shit if you think being prepared and ready to protect yourself is a waste of time. By your description of things you have never been to a truly bad part of town. Go take a stroll down MLK Blvd or Malcolm X Blvd in South Dallas. If you look like your avatar you're going to get:
A. Robbed
B. Your ass beat down
C. Killed.

Where I work now employees a large number of people for the not so nice areas of Dallas and they wonder why the # of cars getting broken into or stolen has sky rocketed and why the general crime rate of the area went up.
Dallas that even the beat cops won't go unless SWAT is with them.


Random acts of violence
Watch the video and learn These people are real folks. Believe it or not, there are people out there that do not care about you, your life or your family. They do not live in the happy go lucky candy coated world you live in and they WILL kill you given the opportunity.

Try reading the thread. I lived for 5 years on the border of one of the worst neighborhoods of Philadelphia. Last time I checked, Philly doesn't have a reputation of being a cupcake town. I grew up just outside of a small city with among the highest per capita murder rates in the nation. Don't tell me I've never been to a rough neighborhood. I also currently live downtown in another (admittedly safer) major city.

Obviously random acts of violence occur. However, they are RANDOM, they are EXTREMELY RARE on a per capita level, and as I already described above, having a gun on you usually won't help you anyway. The best defense is prevention, as I and several others already described.

I realize you're from Texas, and most Texans seem to think there is someone with a sniper rifle constantly pointed at your head, just WAITING for you to be away from your gun so they can kill you. So nothing I say is going to change your asinine, paranoid view. Not my problem, I'll continue running through the ghetto of west philadelphia at 1am with no weapons on me, and I'll continue surviving. That's all the proof I need.

oh, and before you start another tirade of links, remember that smaller city I mentioned I grew up in? My uncle was beaten to death in a random act of violence when he was 19 years old in that city, so again....don't preach to me like I don't know what I'm talking about.

According to the Bureau of justice statistics, the single most effective method of protecting yourself when you are the victim of a violent crime is to use a gun.

*A fifth of the victims defending themselves with a firearm suffered an injury, compared to almost half of those who defended themselves with weapons other than a firearm or who had no weapon. Care should be used in interpreting these data because many aspects of crimes--including victim and offender characteristics, crime circumstances, and offender intent--contribute to the victims' injury outcomes.

Take note of the caution that the statistic is not controlled for other variables, but it is a very significant difference.

Source

And he also has a very good statistical chance of being faced by a person either unarmed or armed with something other than a gun, because only 10.0% of violent crime victims reported that the offender had a firearm.

Source

And as a final thought, if he believes that he may be at high risk, don't mock him. You do not know what he has seen or experienced in his area that may cause him to feel that way. And, without any of that knowledge I doubt you are able to make as good a decision as he is.

 

[Red Squirrel]

A rusty pocket knife may do the trick. not an utility knife with a bunch of other stuff on it (too finicky to take out fast) but just a simple fold in knife. Apply poison to it every now and then. Not sure what though, rat poison maybe? The rust is a key as well, it can induce lock jaw to your attacker, and who knows what the poison will do...

Though best bet is probably knowing some form of martial arts, and also forms against martial arts, such as gugitsu(sp?). Keep in mind people usually gank so if you can run fast, its probably better then any form of self defense, unless they have a gun, which, if in the states, they most likely will.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
A rusty pocket knife may do the trick. not an utility knife with a bunch of other stuff on it (too finicky to take out fast) but just a simple fold in knife. Apply poison to it every now and then. Not sure what though, rat poison maybe? The rust is a key as well, it can induce lock jaw to your attacker, and who knows what the poison will do...

Though best bet is probably knowing some form of martial arts, and also forms against martial arts, such as gugitsu(sp?). Keep in mind people usually gank so if you can run fast, its probably better then any form of self defense, unless they have a gun, which, if in the states, they most likely will.

In regards to the bolded, I hope you are joking, but if you are not please read my post just before yours. The statistics about having a gun being the best defense include other forms such as cooperating and running away. Also, look at the fact that only 1/10 crimes in the states us a gun.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: daishi5

According to the Bureau of justice statistics, the single most effective method of protecting yourself when you are the victim of a violent crime is to use a gun.

*A fifth of the victims defending themselves with a firearm suffered an injury, compared to almost half of those who defended themselves with weapons other than a firearm or who had no weapon. Care should be used in interpreting these data because many aspects of crimes--including victim and offender characteristics, crime circumstances, and offender intent--contribute to the victims' injury outcomes.

Take note of the caution that the statistic is not controlled for other variables, but it is a very significant difference.

Source

And he also has a very good statistical chance of being faced by a person either unarmed or armed with something other than a gun, because only 10.0% of violent crime victims reported that the offender had a firearm.

Source

And as a final thought, if he believes that he may be at high risk, don't mock him. You do not know what he has seen or experienced in his area that may cause him to feel that way. And, without any of that knowledge I doubt you are able to make as good a decision as he is.

Those stats represent a MUCH broader range of events than what we're talking about here. I'll bring up a football analogy since it's opening night - I say "Eli Manning throws a lot of picks in the red zone!" to which you reply with "Actually, Eli only throws 16 picks a season".

And I'll mock whomever I please. This isn't a fucking support group for victims of violent crime, I'm not walking away from this thread worrying about what horrors the OP may have seen in his day.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Fox OC spray. About the most effective stuff you can get. And good shoes that fit tight if you have to run.

If you really need to, just carry without a permit. I don't know where you are, but if you are caught it might not be a big deal. Here it's not. And if you get caught carrying after you've had to use it, then it's not a big deal.

If you're shooting someone, you really want to be able to say "I'm allowed to carry this and defend myself with it."

And as for all the people saying that the OP is a wuss - you never know what you'll run into. It's better to be prepared than being cocky - because an e-peen is not going to stop a thug on the street.

Aye, but the argument is moot if you aren't alive to tell it.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: sdifox
asp tactical baton
+
proper training on its use

Not legal for civilians to carry in most places. If you're going to do something illegal, just carry the gun.

fine, a butcher knife in its original packaging then

Or better yet, a cane. A good solid cane is a formidable weapon.

Or one of those unbreakable umbrellas.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Double dong. Who would fuck with someone wielding a double-dong dildo?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Nitemare
grenade

this

+ a trident

A trident with grenades for prongs? Or how about nunchuks made out of two sticks of dynamite?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Deeko

That's dumb. Do you know how many times a city dweller hits the streets? A whole lot. I'm not carrying a gun around with me everywhere I go for the EXTREMELY unlikely chance I get mugged. Most murders in the city are drug or gang related, not a result of being mugged or something that you have a gun on you on the streets is going to help.

Plus, this isn't the movies. If a guy steps out of the shadows and puts a gun to your head, chances are you're gonna wind up dead if you try to pull your gun on him.

Throw that "true blue" crap out, I'm not anti gun, I'm just saying that having a gun on you while you walk the city streets is not going to raise your life expectancy.

You're full of shit if you think being prepared and ready to protect yourself is a waste of time. By your description of things you have never been to a truly bad part of town. Go take a stroll down MLK Blvd or Malcolm X Blvd in South Dallas. If you look like your avatar you're going to get:
A. Robbed
B. Your ass beat down
C. Killed.

Where I work now employees a large number of people for the not so nice areas of Dallas and they wonder why the # of cars getting broken into or stolen has sky rocketed and why the general crime rate of the area went up.
Dallas that even the beat cops won't go unless SWAT is with them.


Random acts of violence
Watch the video and learn These people are real folks. Believe it or not, there are people out there that do not care about you, your life or your family. They do not live in the happy go lucky candy coated world you live in and they WILL kill you given the opportunity.

Try reading the thread. I lived for 5 years on the border of one of the worst neighborhoods of Philadelphia. Last time I checked, Philly doesn't have a reputation of being a cupcake town. I grew up just outside of a small city with among the highest per capita murder rates in the nation. Don't tell me I've never been to a rough neighborhood. I also currently live downtown in another (admittedly safer) major city.

Obviously random acts of violence occur. However, they are RANDOM, they are EXTREMELY RARE on a per capita level, and as I already described above, having a gun on you usually won't help you anyway. The best defense is prevention, as I and several others already described.

I realize you're from Texas, and most Texans seem to think there is someone with a sniper rifle constantly pointed at your head, just WAITING for you to be away from your gun so they can kill you. So nothing I say is going to change your asinine, paranoid view. Not my problem, I'll continue running through the ghetto of west philadelphia at 1am with no weapons on me, and I'll continue surviving. That's all the proof I need.

oh, and before you start another tirade of links, remember that smaller city I mentioned I grew up in? My uncle was beaten to death in a random act of violence when he was 19 years old in that city, so again....don't preach to me like I don't know what I'm talking about.

I find it ironic how you can say that you're safe as can be because such incidents are so rare, and in the next breath say that your uncle was randomly beaten to death.

I'm at a higher risk of getting killed by a car than by a gun, but that doesn't mean I'll stop wearing a vest..

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: JLee

I find it ironic how you can say that you're safe as can be because such incidents are so rare, and in the next breath say that your uncle was randomly beaten to death.

I'm at a higher risk of getting killed by a car than by a gun, but that doesn't mean I'll stop wearing a vest..

You find it ironic? Really? The point is that I realize random acts of violence happen, I'm not some ignorant country bumpkin - but I still realize that they're extremely rare, random events. That should be pretty simple.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The best weapon on the planet is your brain. Get ready to throw it at your attacker.

 

[skyking]

yesterday a nutjob went on a rampage north of Seattle, and killed 6 and wounded 4.
One of those killed was a sherriff's deputy. One of the wounded was a state patrol motorcycle officer. No officer was injured during the arrest, the guy eventually drove to a station and just turned himself in.
Sometimes this stuff happens, and all the tough talk about being armed and prepared is just that.
One of the folks killed was some guy driving down the highway with his wife. the guy drove up next to them and shot him dead through the window. He could have been a card carrying NRA member with a trunk full of guns for all the good it would have done.
I am not advocating gun control or badmouthing concealed carry. I am just pointing out the sheer randomness of some violence like the story that deeko posted.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: JLee

I find it ironic how you can say that you're safe as can be because such incidents are so rare, and in the next breath say that your uncle was randomly beaten to death.

I'm at a higher risk of getting killed by a car than by a gun, but that doesn't mean I'll stop wearing a vest..

You find it ironic? Really? The point is that I realize random acts of violence happen, I'm not some ignorant country bumpkin - but I still realize that they're extremely rare, random events. That should be pretty simple.

In other words, you'd rather take your chances.
Whatever floats your boat. :beer:

Originally posted by: skyking
yesterday a nutjob went on a rampage north of Seattle, and killed 6 and wounded 4.
One of those killed was a sherriff's deputy. One of the wounded was a state patrol motorcycle officer. No officer was injured during the arrest, the guy eventually drove to a station and just turned himself in.
Sometimes this stuff happens, and all the tough talk about being armed and prepared is just that.
One of the folks killed was some guy driving down the highway with his wife. the guy drove up next to them and shot him dead through the window. He could have been a card carrying NRA member with a trunk full of guns for all the good it would have done.
I am not advocating gun control or badmouthing concealed carry. I am just pointing out the sheer randomness of some violence like the story that deeko posted.

Good thing that Ken Hammond didn't think that way, hm?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Double dong. Who would fuck with someone wielding a double-dong dildo?

i can think of several lady friends that would.

 

[Zee]

probably the most effective would be a lightsaber.

 

[skyking]

Jlee, the first link you posted, well that would include every neighbor I have, including myself. We could all go out with a firearm and confront something like that, and having lived here for 13 years I know they would.
With some of them, it would not have been so restrained a response
The second link, that was a trained off duty officer. I'm glad he was there and armed and trained. I doubt the average concealed carry joe could have done as well, however. I give credit to the officer's superior training and commitment to duty.
often the average joe does not do as well.
Once again, I am not bashing concealed carry or advocating gun control. I just point out it is by no means an answer to the random violence.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: skyking
yesterday a nutjob went on a rampage north of Seattle, and killed 6 and wounded 4.
One of those killed was a sherriff's deputy. One of the wounded was a state patrol motorcycle officer. No officer was injured during the arrest, the guy eventually drove to a station and just turned himself in.
Sometimes this stuff happens, and all the tough talk about being armed and prepared is just that.
One of the folks killed was some guy driving down the highway with his wife. the guy drove up next to them and shot him dead through the window. He could have been a card carrying NRA member with a trunk full of guns for all the good it would have done.
I am not advocating gun control or badmouthing concealed carry. I am just pointing out the sheer randomness of some violence like the story that deeko posted.

Yes, that sort of shit does happen. But there's also the kind of violence where you have to walk through a bad neighborhood late at night (don't tell me that you shouldn't do that, there are circumstances where you might have to - e.g. getting back to your broken-down car with your family in it). In that situation, you can either be ready and armed or be scared shitless and just hoping that nothing happens. I'd rather be armed.

 

[ranmaniac]

When travelling through the ravages of Stranglethorn Vale, I keep detect lesser invisibility activated, and use soulstones so I don't have to run all the way from the graveyard to my corpse.

 

[Kroze]

I'd carry a glock 9mm, hinged handcuff, and my badge.

 

[Kroze]

if you carry a firearm you better carry a pair of handcuff.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: Deeko
Something to block out the stench from your vagina...you really that scared of the city?

Troof

OP, you seriously need to relax. If stats are your thing, you should look them up for violent crumes committed per capita. You're not in danger!

Spoken like a true blue.
Just because you're chances of being attacked are low does not mean they are 0. Why do you have home owners insurance or automobile insurance or health insurance?

Shit do you look both way before crossing the street even if you can't hear traffic? Your kind of thinking is what gets people killed.

That's dumb. Do you know how many times a city dweller hits the streets? A whole lot. I'm not carrying a gun around with me everywhere I go for the EXTREMELY unlikely chance I get mugged. Most murders in the city are drug or gang related, not a result of being mugged or something that you have a gun on you on the streets is going to help.

Plus, this isn't the movies. If a guy steps out of the shadows and puts a gun to your head, chances are you're gonna wind up dead if you try to pull your gun on him.

Throw that "true blue" crap out, I'm not anti gun, I'm just saying that having a gun on you while you walk the city streets is not going to raise your life expectancy.

You're full of shit if you think being prepared and ready to protect yourself is a waste of time. By your description of things you have never been to a truly bad part of town. Go take a stroll down MLK Blvd or Malcolm X Blvd in South Dallas. If you look like your avatar you're going to get:
A. Robbed
B. Your ass beat down
C. Killed.

Where I work now employees a large number of people for the not so nice areas of Dallas and they wonder why the # of cars getting broken into or stolen has sky rocketed and why the general crime rate of the area went up.
Dallas that even the beat cops won't go unless SWAT is with them.


Random acts of violence
Watch the video and learn These people are real folks. Believe it or not, there are people out there that do not care about you, your life or your family. They do not live in the happy go lucky candy coated world you live in and they WILL kill you given the opportunity.

Sooo JeffryLebowski, exactly how much time do you spend on Malcom X Blvd? Might I recommend you spend less then you are? That way perhaps you won't feel the need to arm yourself

And just to tweak your preconceptions a bit, I grew up in Albuquerque with a shit load of vatos, crack heads, and neo nazis. I also lived in Dallas for a few years, as well as Arlington. When I got into shit it was because I PUT myself in shit. Being the older, savvier guy that I am now I realize life's not nearly as dangerous when you don't put yourself in dangerous situations.

 

[torpid]

Kusarigama or Manrikigusari. The latter maybe useful for snow as well. The former would be good for icy windshields.