Best way to initiate dialog for salary increase?

[bctbct]

Email or in person

Bill, I would like to set up a meeting to talk about my salary.

I thought the email would act as a buffer and be less likely to put him on the spot.

What do you guys think?

 

[hiromizu]

face to face obviously. yea....so I'm gonna need you to sort of go ahead and give me that raise we've been...sort of talking about..mmkay?

 

[her209]

Put your resume in for job listings and wait for your boss to get the reference check calls.

 

[akshatp]

Of course face to face. An email to set up an appointment is OK I guess, but definitely do that negotiations face to face.

 

[LS21]

walk up and tell them bitches to pay you more

 

[datalink7]

Sup bitch, salery increase?

 

[LS21]

i can has money?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: LS21
i can has MOAR money?

 

[XZeroII]

Play the theme song for The Apprentice over and over again whenever your boss is around.

 

[spidey07]

I generally make a two page document detailing and outlining exactly what I have done, where the market is, where I believe my skills are at, print it out and sign it. Introduction, executive summary, body and closing. Basically a professional memo, standard formal memo format. Then hand deliver. It means I'm SERIOUS and view it as a business transaction instead of just asking for money with my hand out.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I generally make a two page document detailing and outlining exactly what I have done, where the market is, where I believe my skills are at, print it out and sign it. Introduction, executive summary, body and closing. Basically a professional memo, standard formal memo format. Then hand deliver. It means I'm SERIOUS and view it as a business transaction instead of just asking for money with my hand out.

And do all that BEFORE the next fiscal year's budget is made so you have the best chance of having a raise fit into the budget. They may or may not have the current ability to up your pay until the next fiscal year, so it pays to get a head start on getting it in.

 

[meltdown75]

"how is teh monays formed?"

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Where are these mythical companies that give in grade pay raises? If you work for a corporation, you typically have two choices for getting a raise. You either change jobs within your company or you go to work for a different company. Since corporations are focusing more and more on hiring specific skill sets for job tasking it effectively limits your choices to going to work for a different company. Corporate America doesn't give a rats ass how long you've worked for them.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Where are these mythical companies that give in grade pay raises? If you work for a corporation, you typically have two choices for getting a raise. You either change jobs within your company or you go to work for a different company. Since corporations are focusing more and more on hiring specific skill sets for job tasking it effectively limits your choices to going to work for a different company. Corporate America doesn't give a rats ass how long you've worked for them.

It's called a promotion. You can either sit around and hope it happens or you can campaign for yourself and more money.

It doesn't even have to affect title or be announced, but the end result is still the same - more money. I don't give a rats ass about the company either but I WILL be paid what I know I'm worth.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Where are these mythical companies that give in grade pay raises? If you work for a corporation, you typically have two choices for getting a raise. You either change jobs within your company or you go to work for a different company. Since corporations are focusing more and more on hiring specific skill sets for job tasking it effectively limits your choices to going to work for a different company. Corporate America doesn't give a rats ass how long you've worked for them.

It's called a promotion. You can either sit around and hope it happens or you can campaign for yourself and more money.

It doesn't even have to affect title or be announced, but the end result is still the same - more money. I don't give a rats ass about the company either but I WILL be paid what I know I'm worth.

Promotion by definition means a change in job, if only added responsibilities. Corporations don't care if you are indispensable or not. In fact they rarely if ever calculate the cost of replacing you or the ensuing lost production. Insist away that you are worth more, with or without proof, they figure you know where the door is by now.

 

[meltdown75]

my position has 8 different pay grades. you get bumped up to the next level every year pending your manager's review of your performance. i also get 3% per year, thanks to the collective agreement my union worked out.

Ontario, Canada (since you asked, Magnus)

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
my position has 8 different pay grades. you get bumped up to the next level every year pending your manager's review of your performance. i also get 3% per year, thanks to the collective agreement my union worked out.

Ontario, Canada (since you asked, Magnus)

That is the doing of your union. The corporation would not do this of it's own free will. Try working at a non unionized corporation.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer

Originally posted by: meltdown75
my position has 8 different pay grades. you get bumped up to the next level every year pending your manager's review of your performance. i also get 3% per year, thanks to the collective agreement my union worked out.

Ontario, Canada (since you asked, Magnus)

That is the doing of your union. The corporation would not do this of it's own free will.

oh. well, at any rate, i can has monies.

 

[mshan]

Irrespective of how you arrange for appointment, I think most important thing to do is to write down what "value added" you add to the company justifying your request for a pay raise.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Promotion by definition means a change in job, if only added responsibilities. Corporations don't care if you are indispensable or not. In fact they rarely if ever calculate the cost of replacing you or the ensuing lost production. Insist away that you are worth more, with or without proof, they figure you know where the door is by now.

Magnus,

I've been part of the machine for some 16 years now. I also understand both sides - payer and payee as a consultant, boss and employee. Your point rings true - if you don't want to offer the product (your work) at what the payer wants to pay then you must find another payer. This is the only thing that sets the products price.

But the thing people don't calculate is the company wants a quality product and quality work. This is the so called "value decision", no business that I know of has a problem spending quality money on a quality product. Do I want to take a risk on a lower priced product or give what is to the business peanuts in the form of a 10-20K raise?

I will say that after all these years the low bid product is thrown out and I look at the higher priced products to see if they are worth it. Have no problem paying, getting funding for the better product.

As soon as you see yourself as a product the more money one can make. It's all one big game and knowing how to play it can make one a shitload of money. I hate to keep pounding this point home but I'm trying to help ATOT.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Promotion by definition means a change in job, if only added responsibilities. Corporations don't care if you are indispensable or not. In fact they rarely if ever calculate the cost of replacing you or the ensuing lost production. Insist away that you are worth more, with or without proof, they figure you know where the door is by now.

Magnus,

I've been part of the machine for some 16 years now. I also understand both sides - payer and payee as a consultant, boss and employee. Your point rings true - if you don't want to offer the product (your work) at what the payer wants to pay then you must find another payer. This is the only thing that sets the products price.

But the thing people don't calculate is the company wants a quality product and quality work. This is the so called "value decision", no business that I know of has a problem spending quality money on a quality product. Do I want to take a risk on a lower priced product or give what is to the business peanuts in the form of a 10-20K raise?

I will say that after all these years the low bid product is thrown out and I look at the higher priced products to see if they are worth it. Have no problem paying, getting funding for the better product.

As soon as you see yourself as a product the more money one can make. It's all one big game and knowing how to play it can make one a shitload of money.

What you say is true about products but, no corporation I have ever heard of thinks of it's employees as assets. Oh, they talk a great deal about it but, their actions time and again reflect short term thinking. If you offer any corporation $10 today but lose the asset or, 50 cents a day and keep the asset, they'll take the $10 every time.

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Promotion by definition means a change in job, if only added responsibilities. Corporations don't care if you are indispensable or not. In fact they rarely if ever calculate the cost of replacing you or the ensuing lost production. Insist away that you are worth more, with or without proof, they figure you know where the door is by now.

Magnus,

I've been part of the machine for some 16 years now. I also understand both sides - payer and payee as a consultant, boss and employee. Your point rings true - if you don't want to offer the product (your work) at what the payer wants to pay then you must find another payer. This is the only thing that sets the products price.

But the thing people don't calculate is the company wants a quality product and quality work. This is the so called "value decision", no business that I know of has a problem spending quality money on a quality product. Do I want to take a risk on a lower priced product or give what is to the business peanuts in the form of a 10-20K raise?

I will say that after all these years the low bid product is thrown out and I look at the higher priced products to see if they are worth it. Have no problem paying, getting funding for the better product.

As soon as you see yourself as a product the more money one can make. It's all one big game and knowing how to play it can make one a shitload of money. I hate to keep pounding this point home but I'm trying to help ATOT.

While I agree with you for the most part, you should try:
1. working in a town with < 10,000 population
2. working for a Japanese company. No union, but they pay more based on time spent working there vs. skills.

The longer I stay in a small town the more I realize there is a reason the cost of living is so low...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What you say is true about products but, no corporation I have ever heard of thinks of it's employees as assets. Oh, they talk a great deal about it but, their actions time and again reflect short term thinking. If you offer any corporation $10 today but lose the asset or, 50 cents a day and keep the asset, they'll take the $10 every time.

Probably true.

But now we're getting into the standing relationship between payer and payee and what role that plays on the transaction. Employment is an agreed upon contract, terms of this contract are subject to negotiation unless specified in writing, this is why I make it official with a signed paper document.

All I can say is only yourself can know what you're worth and the more you network and educate yourself on that the better it will be. The name of the game is making more money.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: spidey07
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As soon as you see yourself as a product the more money one can make. It's all one big game and knowing how to play it can make one a shitload of money. I hate to keep pounding this point home but I'm trying to help ATOT.

Yup, it is a game and all you have to do to be "successful" in the corporation is, give up your passion for your work, enforce policies you know are wrong and, watch the company make yet another bad decision for short term gain and to hell with the future.

Sorry, you caught me on my corporate soapbox.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
"how is teh monays formed?"

They need to do way instain manager> who keep thier monays. becuse these workers cant frigth back? it was on the news this mroing a manager in ar who had stiffed her three workers. they are taking the three workers back to the unemployment office too manager to rest my pary are with the workers who lost jobs; i am truley sorry for your lots