Best way to Bulk up MUSCLE and lose FAT

BullyCanadian

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OK here it is, I weigh 250lbs. I want to gain a LOT more muslce and cut off my fat. I would like to have this done by Oct. So, okay, lift larger weights at the gym starting tomorrow morning, but what about my diet? What should i eat? Should I do atkins? Whats the best way? I WILL STICK to anything. But I will start now (2 weeks b4 i go off to school and then continue at school in my dorm) So whats the best way? Someone with experience please. I really need this, I really need to cut down my body fat.

BTW - I know this may not be the best place to ask (but someone here must be fit :D and have some knowledge in being fit )

And my goal (obviously year goal not goal by OCT) is to have 5% body fat and weigh about 230 in muscle.)
 

purbeast0

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what you need to do is go on google and do some research. from the information you have posted, even just ASKING about the Atkins diet, you seem to know ZERO about going in the right direction. google has alot of stuff on this, as does searching the forums here.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: BullyCanadian
OK here it is, I weigh 250lbs. I want to gain a LOT more muslce and cut off my fat. I would like to have this done by Oct. So, okay, lift larger weights at the gym starting tomorrow morning, but what about my diet? What should i eat? Should I do atkins? Whats the best way? I WILL STICK to anything. But I will start now (2 weeks b4 i go off to school and then continue at school in my dorm) So whats the best way? Someone with experience please. I really need this, I really need to cut down my body fat.

BTW - I know this may not be the best place to ask (but someone here must be fit :D and have some knowledge in being fit )

And my goal (obviously year goal not goal by OCT) is to have 5% body fat and weigh about 230 in muscle.)

Umm 5% body fat at 230lbs? Good luck man. Make sure you take in plenty of protein, and don't starve yourself are two pieces of advice I can give you. Also, you're going to have to do two different cycles, one for bulking and one for cutting.

EDIT: Let me expand on this a bit.

You're probably going to have to go through three cycles to obtain your goal. First a cutting cycle to shed most of your excess fat that you have right now. You need to get a pair of calipers and calculate your body fat % and adjust accordingly. During the cutting cycle you will need to do A LOT of Cardio to get your body fat down if you're a lard arse. You also want to lift (lighter weight more reps) and take in ample protein so you don't lose THAT much muscle.

After that you're going to be doing a bulking phase, where it's much less cardio and heavy lifting. Your lifting schedule is something you tailor on your own after trial and error. Everyone has their own. Your body fat % will increase during this cycle because it is extremely hard to "bulk up" without adding some fat. Depending on what your body fat % is, you should probably be around 235-250 when you're done with the bulking stage.

After that, another cutting cycle to get your body fat down. I honestly don't know how you're going to maintain a 5% body fat, but thats up to you.
 

crazycarl

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hey man, once i lost over 20 lbs in 4 weeks - i just ate like 1500 calories or less a day. it was really hard for the first week but after that i got used to it and i just ran everyday and lifted 3X a week. i ddin't gain much muscle of course, but i didn't lose all the much either, and i was really skinny by the end.
but i also got really sick too. so just be prepared
 

chrissyo4

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You lose fat by doing cardio.
You gain muscle by lifting weights.
I wouldn't recommend Atkins to anyone, but that's just me. It maybe old fashioned, but I say a balanced diet with fruits and veggies and all that stuff is the way to go. Watch WHAT you eat and your servings. Eat many small meals throughout the day. Good luck.
 

cw42

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Originally posted by: crazycarl
hey man, once i lost over 20 lbs in 4 weeks - i just ate like 1500 calories or less a day. it was really hard for the first week but after that i got used to it and i just ran everyday and lifted 3X a week. i ddin't gain much muscle of course, but i didn't lose all the much either, and i was really skinny by the end.
but i also got really sick too. so just be prepared

an example of something you shouldn't do. not eating enough, and making yourself sick. now that's just unhealthy.
 

Schadenfroh

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i went from 215lbs to 153 in less than 2 months on atkins, 6' tall btw, but i also started exersising and was on the strict version for the 2 months.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i went from 215lbs to 153 in less than 2 months on atkins, 6' tall btw, but i also started exersising and was on the strict version for the 2 months.

talk about unhealthy ...

if you are 6 feet tall and 153 you must be a toothpick.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i went from 215lbs to 153 in less than 2 months on atkins, 6' tall btw, but i also started exersising and was on the strict version for the 2 months.

talk about unhealthy ...

if you are 6 feet tall and 153 you must be a toothpick.

not anymore, im up to 165 now, im talking when i first did it
 

crazycarl

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Originally posted by: cw42
Originally posted by: crazycarl
hey man, once i lost over 20 lbs in 4 weeks - i just ate like 1500 calories or less a day. it was really hard for the first week but after that i got used to it and i just ran everyday and lifted 3X a week. i ddin't gain much muscle of course, but i didn't lose all the much either, and i was really skinny by the end.
but i also got really sick too. so just be prepared

an example of something you shouldn't do. not eating enough, and making yourself sick. now that's just unhealthy.

well he's not exactly asking for the healthy way :D
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i went from 215lbs to 153 in less than 2 months on atkins, 6' tall btw, but i also started exersising and was on the strict version for the 2 months.

talk about unhealthy ...

if you are 6 feet tall and 153 you must be a toothpick.

not anymore, im up to 165 now, im talking when i first did it

165 is still pretty skinny for a 6" tall person. i am 5'11 and i weigh 178, and while im pretty muscular and lean, im still slim.
 

Gurck

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You either gain weight or lose it, not both. You can't gain muscle while losing fat. Restrict your caloric intake and do cardiovascular exercise until you reach a bodyfat percentage you're comfortable with, then worry about building muscle.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: TheBDB
You can't gain muscle while losing fat.

:confused: I can. :confused:

It's pretty much one or the other. Trying to do both will only hamper your results, while doing a bulking cycle followed by a cutting cycle is usually much more effective.
 

badluck

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Originally posted by: Gurck
You either gain weight or lose it, not both. You can't gain muscle while losing fat. Restrict your caloric intake and do cardiovascular exercise until you reach a bodyfat percentage you're comfortable with, then worry about building muscle.

that pretty much sums it up. you can try, but results aren't as quick. it is usually better to bulk, cut (in cycles)

to start, go to www.bodybuilding.com and spend 2 weeks reading. after you read your ass off, you will know what to eat, and have a general idea of what type of diet will work best for you and your goals.

i am 6'0", 197lbs, 9% bodyfat....used to be 6'0" 282lbs, 40+ bf
 

SportSC4

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eat clean carbs. stay away from ice creams, fast food, etc.

be sure you are eating enough protein so that you don't starve your muscles. I would not start by going into a cutting cycle. you need muscle to utilize fat and a cutting cycle may reduce the amount of muscle you have. the less muscle you have, the more work you will need to do later to use up fat. do cardio for a good half hour before you lift weights.

as far as cardio, it's best to keep your bpm in a specific range (more effectively burns fat). i think that your target bpm should be between 65% to 85% of your max bpm (220-your age).

edit: depending on how tall you are... i would build muscle before cutting. if you're 5 ft @ 250lbs... well, it's obvious that cutting would be a priority.
 

rgwalt

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Originally posted by: badluck
Originally posted by: Gurck
You either gain weight or lose it, not both. You can't gain muscle while losing fat. Restrict your caloric intake and do cardiovascular exercise until you reach a bodyfat percentage you're comfortable with, then worry about building muscle.

that pretty much sums it up. you can try, but results aren't as quick. it is usually better to bulk, cut (in cycles)

to start, go to www.bodybuilding.com and spend 2 weeks reading. after you read your ass off, you will know what to eat, and have a general idea of what type of diet will work best for you and your goals.

i am 6'0", 197lbs, 9% bodyfat....used to be 6'0" 282lbs, 40+ bf

I would love to see the after pictures buddy! I had no idea that you lost so much weight. Congrats!

I've started in trying to lose a lot of weight. I've dropped from 270 to 250 over the summer, and I'm going to try to continue to drop.

R
 

badluck

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Originally posted by: SportSC4
eat clean carbs. stay away from ice creams, fast food, etc.

be sure you are eating enough protein so that you don't starve your muscles. I would not start by going into a cutting cycle. you need muscle to utilize fat and a cutting cycle may reduce the amount of muscle you have. the less muscle you have, the more work you will need to do later to use up fat. do cardio for a good half hour before you lift weights. i would bulk up before you work on cutting.

as far as cardio, it's best to keep your bpm in a specific range (more effectively burns fat). i think that your target bpm should be between 65% to 85% of your max bpm (220-your age).


i totally disagree with this philosophy. not because it is weak in theory, but it is in reality. see, you forget that most people in his situation do not have the discipline to do this. many people who are overweight, mentally cannot afford to gain more calories. it just makes them look fatter, and feel fatter. once they have bulked up, you expect them to start a cutting cycle? even though they didn't have the discipline to cut when they were overweight in the first place? in my opinion, you should do a cutting cycle to take your weight down at least 30lbs...if not 50. then, once you understand the work that goes into a cutting cycle, can you honestly say you are ready to bulk. after you bulk, you cut (again).
 

TheBDB

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: TheBDB
You can't gain muscle while losing fat.

:confused: I can. :confused:

It's pretty much one or the other. Trying to do both will only hamper your results, while doing a bulking cycle followed by a cutting cycle is usually much more effective.

Sorta. I didn't gain as much muscle as I could have if that was my only goal, but I did gain muscle while losing fat. I think the key besides eating good was my workout plan. I did 3 sets of 12 on monday and friday, but only 1 set of 10 (high weight and slow movement) on wednesday. Combine that with cardio a couple hours after workouts to allow time for the muscle to grow and you are good to go.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i went from 215lbs to 153 in less than 2 months on atkins, 6' tall btw, but i also started exersising and was on the strict version for the 2 months.

talk about unhealthy ...

if you are 6 feet tall and 153 you must be a toothpick.

Depends on your metabolism. I'm at around that height/weight, but I've always been that way. I'm skinny, but not toothpick-skinny.
 

badluck

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Originally posted by: rgwalt
Originally posted by: badluck
Originally posted by: Gurck
You either gain weight or lose it, not both. You can't gain muscle while losing fat. Restrict your caloric intake and do cardiovascular exercise until you reach a bodyfat percentage you're comfortable with, then worry about building muscle.

that pretty much sums it up. you can try, but results aren't as quick. it is usually better to bulk, cut (in cycles)

to start, go to www.bodybuilding.com and spend 2 weeks reading. after you read your ass off, you will know what to eat, and have a general idea of what type of diet will work best for you and your goals.

i am 6'0", 197lbs, 9% bodyfat....used to be 6'0" 282lbs, 40+ bf

I would love to see the after pictures buddy! I had no idea that you lost so much weight. Congrats!

I've started in trying to lose a lot of weight. I've dropped from 270 to 250 over the summer, and I'm going to try to continue to drop.

R

Hey bud...long time no see....PM me sometime to say whats up. Good luck on the weight loss. If I can offer any tips, let me know.
 

Giscardo

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It is possible to do both but most people don't know what they're doing enough to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Anyways, what you want to do is start lifting five days a week. Each day pick one of the muscle groups from the list below, so that you end up doing a total body workout by the end of the week.

chest
back
arms (biceps and triceps)
legs
shoulders

You can pretty much do abs 2x a week on any day you feel like it. You'll want to do a lot of free-weights, and it is very important that you do the exercises properly. Remember the Tortoise and the Hare? Keep that in mind when you want to start working out. Don't try to achieve more results than possible with zeal in the beginning, just follow the plan and you'll see results after 2 months. After 6 months you wont look the same, after a year you will be a new man. Anything faster wont last, and wont be real.

So do about 4-5 exercises for each of the muscle groups (for arms do 3 bicep, and 3 tricep, that's the longest workout day of the week with this plan).

How much should you lift, and how many reps? Well the most important thing is to do reps until failure. I used to do pyramid type workouts, where you start with a warm-up set, about 13 reps, 1st set, pick a weight that you can lift 10-12 times, and can just do last rep without needing help. 2nd about 10lbs more, set a weight that you can do about 8 reps with, 3rd set you add another 10lbs or whatever so that you can only do 4-6 reps, for 4th and 5th set go backwards to the weights and reps you did for 2nd and 1st sets.

Next, your efforts will be useless without proper diet. Eat a lot of protein. Eat breakfast, eat lunch, and eat a balanced dinner (I never eat too much pasta or anything carby, but I also don't go out of my way by throwing out the buns for my burgers, I'll eat a burger, and then hav ea second patty without the bun to get my extra protein). You can only digest about 30 grams of protein in a sitting, so you will have to eat every 2 hours, a small snack, like hot dogs, tuna, chicken, fish, etc. If you work out properly you will always be hungry, so plan ahead to have something available to eat every 2-3 hours.

Make sure you get proper amounts of sleep too.

Next, you will want to do cardio 3-4 times a week. Best time to do it is first thing in the morning, before breakfast. 1 mile? Not enough. Run for at least 20 minutes. For the first couple months you will have to push yourself each time you run, always go at least the distance you did last time, and try to push for a block or two or three or four more each time. After a month you'll get up to around 45 minutes, it's extremelly boring, and by that point you will want to stop your runs as a result of boredom rather than not being able to continue.
 

Giscardo

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And also you will have to arrange your lifting schedule so that your arms aren't sore when you're doing chest (you wont be able to do bench presses, or shoulder presses, etc when your triceps are sore).