Best sliding rails for Norco 4224?

rchunter

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Trying to buy the Norco RL-26 rails but it looks like they're out of stock everywhere. Maybe they are discontinued?
Anyone have any other suggestions for rails that will work good with Norco 4224 chassis?
 
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XavierMace

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Honestly there are no good options and I'm including the RL-26 rails in that statement. It's a POS rail kit. Maybe I'm spoiled from being used to dealing with real servers (HP, Dell, IBM, Supermicro) but after like 30 minutes and two bandaids later, I was about ready to take the Norco case and rails out to the desert and shoot them. Honestly, I'd save yourself the effort and just get a shelf for it.

That said, NCIX looks to have them in stock.
 

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I hate that cheap rackmount cases never come with rails, I would rather pay $20-40 extra and have the rails so I don't need to chase around trying to find compatible ones.

That said I usually try to find some "universal" rails, typically they are just L channels that the chassis sits over. I happen to have 4 pairs from a SAN I no longer use so I used them for the last 2 rackmount cases I bought.

Something like this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/APC-2U-3U-4U...908473?hash=item2ef354ad39:g:AnUAAOSwgZ1XuQ3i

Downside is often the thickness of the rail actually brings the case slightly too high so it may not be able to be screwed to the rack, I've seen situations where you also have to leave 1U above. For any serious server I go Supermicro but they are quite more expensive.
 

rchunter

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I'm starting to realize now why there's so much bitching about norco cases. I love this norco 4224 but if you can't buy decent rails and rack it properly it's kind of a big problem. I'll probably end up switching to a supermicro chassis next year sometime. For now i'll get the shelf rails and run with it a little while longer.
 

XavierMace

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I hate that cheap rackmount cases never come with rails, I would rather pay $20-40 extra and have the rails so I don't need to chase around trying to find compatible ones.

That said I usually try to find some "universal" rails, typically they are just L channels that the chassis sits over. I happen to have 4 pairs from a SAN I no longer use so I used them for the last 2 rackmount cases I bought.

Something like this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/APC-2U-3U-4U...908473?hash=item2ef354ad39:g:AnUAAOSwgZ1XuQ3i

Downside is often the thickness of the rail actually brings the case slightly too high so it may not be able to be screwed to the rack, I've seen situations where you also have to leave 1U above. For any serious server I go Supermicro but they are quite more expensive.

Those are APC rails and typically won't work for servers due to the lip at the top (that you can see in the pictures on that link). I've got 4 sets of those rails.

I'm starting to realize now why there's so much bitching about norco cases. I love this norco 4224 but if you can't buy decent rails and rack it properly it's kind of a big problem. I'll probably end up switching to a supermicro chassis next year sometime. For now i'll get the shelf rails and run with it a little while longer.

It's not just the rails, although that's a big one. Even if you find them and get them mounted. The rails really aren't designed for a 4U case, especially a full loaded one. I had a 4220 in the past, used the same argument that most people make. "But it's soooo much cheaper". Not so much once you actually get into it. I'm looking to refresh my ESX hosts with newer Supermicro boxes, so here's a comparison

Norco RPC-2212: $300
Norco NL-26: $40
SeaSonic SSN-7522G: $350

Supermicro SC826BE16-R920LPB: $792
Rail kit: Included
Redundant Power Supply: Included.

You're already only $2 apart and the Supermicro is superior in every aspect. High quality hot swap fans vs non-PWN crappy no-name fans. High quality easy install rail kit vs cheap generic rail kit that tries to kill you when you install it. 920w Platinum Power supply with low noise mode vs having to find a suitable aftermarket option. In the above example, the Seasonic was the closest match I could find price wise and while Seasonic's are great power supplies, it's not as good as the one Supermicro includes and knowing Norco, the Seasonic may or may not fit in the case. Sure, you could go with a standard ATX power supply but presumably you're buying a rackmount case to hold a server board and regular ATX power supplies with dual 8 pin connectors aren't as common as some might think.

Then there's all the little things. Norco has a surprising habit of screwing SOMETHING up on their front panels. They are crappy buttons in general but often the cables are labelled wrong and/or reversed. SAS backplane is of inferior quality. No filtered front panel option. Case lid is screwed on rather than using a tool-less option. As hard as it may be to imagine, even the drive trays feel cheap. If you pair your Supermicro case with a Supermicro board, you are getting REALLY close to an HP/Dell OEM experience but with the flexibility to choose your own parts.

I made the Norco mistake once. Never again.
 

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I remember when I was looking at building my 24 bay file server, I was eyeing some Norco cases but then I kept reading how half the time the backplane is DOA so you end up screwing around with that, then had to find rails, and other accessories, no redundant PSU (kinda want that on a file server especially if it's going to be serving VMs) and figured by the time I add all the accessories I need on the Norco I may as well buy the Supermicro and everything comes with it. At about $1,500 for just the case it was a bit ouchie though... but figured it's something I will have for a very long time.
 

XavierMace

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One thing to be aware of when looking at cases with backplanes are to see if they are expanders or just direct attached backplanes. Norco's and that specific Supermicro you just linked to are both direct attached. So, you need 6x 8087 connections going to the backplane. Where as a case like the 836BE1C-R1K03B has an expander so you only need one connector, but your max throughput is lower. If you're filling it will all slow SATA spindles, it's probably not going to matter. But if you were planning on running any flash storage, it's something to consider.
 

rchunter

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One thing to be aware of when looking at cases with backplanes are to see if they are expanders or just direct attached backplanes. Norco's and that specific Supermicro you just linked to are both direct attached. So, you need 6x 8087 connections going to the backplane. Where as a case like the 836BE1C-R1K03B has an expander so you only need one connector, but your max throughput is lower. If you're filling it will all slow SATA spindles, it's probably not going to matter. But if you were planning on running any flash storage, it's something to consider.

In my current xeon e3 rig i'm running 1x LSI 9201-16i, 1x IBM m1015 (it mode). So i'm already set up to not need to worry about using expanders. Also I plan on building a e5 rig soon and I think i'll just stick a couple flashed IBM 1015's in that. I'll have plenty of pci slots on that mb for whatever.
 

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I have the RL-26 rails for my RPC-4220, and they work fine. Did I have the same problems that everyone else suggests? Yeah, but once you get it in there, you're pretty much fine. I think it took me a minute or so to get mine in. I actually had more trouble with the shelves that I bought than I did with the rails. Heck... I was probably close to breaking a finger when a full-length, heavy duty shelf fell down on my hand. :eek:

Although, I rarely have to pull mine out. There's nothing above my server case in my rack, so I can just work on it with it still inside. The rack is in a closet, and I installed some round under-cabinet lighting on the underside of a large shelf that's about a foot above the rack.