Best performing & reliable used car for 15000 to 20000? for 6'2" 280lb person (poll)

BurnItDwn

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I have a 1999 Chrysler 300m. It's gotten to the point where it's starting to become costly to maintain and repair. I figure I will probably hang on to it for another 6 months to one year, so I'm doing a little bit of research here.

I don't want anything that gets worse gas millage then the 300m.
I prefer the car to have leather seating, and to be somewhat comfortable to ride.
I also don't want anything that's going to be slower than my 300m.
I want it to hold 4 people, though the back seat doesn't have to be very comfortable, as I won't be riding back there.

I'd like to spend under $15K, but realistically my budget will be capped around 20K.
I'd like something that will last "forever" if taken in for scheduled maintenance on time.

I will be the first to admit I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to cars.
I am 26, single, and have no kids. I don't need a big car. I spend about 100 minutes per work day sitting in traffic (20 mile commute each way.)

I'm leaning towards a manual transmission, but I plan on test driving both a manual and an automatic of whatever top 2 or 3 models I wind up choosing between.

In order of priority

1. Reliability
2. Everything else

The models that interest me the most are in the poll ... Though I may have left out obviously good cars, if that is the case, please suggest in a reply ...

2002-2003 Acura 3.2CL Type S
I want a coupe, I can get one with decent miles in my price range. Better milage & performance than my 300m. Nice interior. Honda, so should be reliable I'm thinking? Front wheel drive makes me sad, though it would probably be a decent car in the winter (I'm near Chicago, so I drive in the snow a lot, and I don't have a garage so I am not going to trade out snow tires every winter.)

2002-2004 Acura 3.2TL Type S
Is a 2004 TL better than a 2003 CL ? Would prefer the coupe, but that doesn't mean I don't even want to consider the Sedan.

2003-2004 Infinity G35
Good performance, millage is comparable to my Chrysler. Perhaps a bit "nicer" than the Acura. I know lots on this board say Nissan has good reliability, and lots love the G35, but how does it compare to Honda, and more specifically the Acura 3.2

2003-2005 Subaru Impreza WRX
4 wheel drive would be nice in the winter. Not as nice of a car as the Infinity or Acura 3.2, decent performer, would be able to get a newwer one than the other options due to lowwer prices.

2003-2005 Acura RSX Type S
Could practically buy brand new with my price range, but not sure if I like the RSX. The millage is really good compared to the other car's I'm thinking about. The acceleration won't be as good as the bigger cars, but I'm thinking the handling would be better maybe, is that just a bad assumption though?

2001-2003 BMW 330i
I'm concerned about long term maintenance costs being a lot and possibly the car spending a lot of time in the shop. Handling is awesomely awesome though, and overall it's a very nice car with decent power as well.

2001-2002 BMW 330xi
as suggested by secretanchitman
Millage and general performance is worse than the 330i.
I'm concerned about long term maintenance costs being a lot and possibly the car spending a lot of time in the shop. Handling is still awesome, overall it's a very nice car with decent power. I imagine this won't get stuck so easy in the winter, which would be a definite plus as they seem to wait until AFTER there is a foot of snow on the ground to plow.

2001-2002 Saab Viggen Hatchback
As suggested by Rogo ...
Very nice looking. Good handling, decent power. Comfortable for someone my size. Excellent gas millage I dunno how much I'd have to spend on maintenance though.

200?-200? Honda Accord V6
Decent milage, reliable reliable reliable. Boring? Should be comfortable.

I should add, I am 74 inches tall, and I am heavy, so I don't fit well into most of the really small cars.

I have traditionally been an American car buyer, but It seems like all the "fast" American cars have crappy handling, get terrible millage, have reliability issues, are "too small", or are too expensive.

I kinda want a Vette, but I'm going to wait until I sell my townhouse and buy a place with a garage before I buy something like that.

While I like my 300m, the new 300 has very loose suspension and drives like a boat. The GTO gets crap for milage. The 4.6 Mustang doesn't impress me. I really like the 86-87 GN but I don't think they would be as reliable as a modern Honda, Subaru, or Nissan.


Facts, Suggestions, and Opinions are appreciated.
Thanks!



Cliffs
I want something quick, efficient, and most importantly reliable. My budget is $15000 to $20000.
Needs to be "better" then my 300m in terms of performance and millage. It also needs to be very reliable.

If you don't like what I have listed in the poll, please feel free to make a recommendation. I have bad taste and can use some help.

EDIT: changed title, added cliffs, updated title again, updated cliffs.

GOING TO SLEEP FOR THE NIGHT SO NO UPDATES UNTIL TOMORROW. Don't vote if you don't like the options please. Thanks!
 

apex32

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Out of the choices i will have to say the RSX, but i dont really like the choices :(
 

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i'm in the same boat as you. actually, it's my brother that's getting the car. i kinda capped him at $15k. if he had the $20k cap i would have definitely gotten him a 2003-2004 lexus gs300 or a 2004 lincoln ls v8.

i'm gonna pick up a 2005 chrysler 300 for him tomorrow.
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: secretanchitman
325i/325xi?

or an used 330xi?

Good Idea ... why didn't I think of that.
4wd would help a LOT with the snow in the winter.

 

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If you're tall-6'7" max and want decent milage, cool body style, performance, and reliability check out a 2001-2002 Saab Viggen-get the 3 door. You can find one in perfect shape for $15000.

Here's a few pics.

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I'm 6'6" 220lbs and have enough legroom and headroom. Also-the interior is beyond any M3, Scoobie, or Dodge.

Rogo
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
If you're tall-6'7" max and want decent milage, cool body style, performance, and reliability check out a 2001-2002 Saab Viggen-get the 3 door. You can find one in perfect shape for $15000.

Here's a few pics.

V-1

V-2

V-3

I'm 6'6" 220lbs and have enough legroom and headroom. Also-the interior is beyond any M3, Scoobie, or Dodge.

Rogo

Thanks Rogo, I was thinking Saab, but I remembered that GM pretty much took them over and ruined them. Though I didn't think too much about early 2000s models. I do recall seeing an 80s Saab promotional video with some 9000s (or was it 900s?) doing some awesome driving. Assuming the 2001-2002 Viggen can handle like that, I'll certainly consider it. I'm only 6 foot 2 inches, but I have a tall torso compared to my legs, so I have the problem of my head hitting the ceiling in a lot of smaller cars.
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
height ___________
weight ___________

added it to the topic ...
74 inches & 280 pounds.

I need to drop some weight, but right now I'm focusing on staying off the cigarettes (quit last Tuesday)
 

Rogodin2

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No need to worry about headroom-my father is 6'3" with a torso as long as mine-he has plenty of headroom in the Viggen.

You should go drive one! 64% of the car is made in Sweden 24% in Germany and 2% in the U.S.

Rogo

Handling is okay-just as good as the 9000s and 900s. I've owned 4 saabs, 2 bmws, 1 wrx, and 2 pontiacs, srt4 and GTO-the Viggen handles well, but it is outhandled by the bimmers-though I don't care, I don't road race.

The Viggen is by the far the fastest with the highest luxury of all autos I've owned-the GTO was faster from 0-60, but from 0-150 it's the Viggen.

You really should go drive a Viggen and a GTO though.

Rogo

 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
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No need to worry about headroom-my father is 6'3" with a torso as long as mine-he has plenty of headroom in the Viggen.

You should go drive one! 64% of the car is made in Sweden 24% in Germany and 2% in the U.S.

Rogo
Cool.
I'll have to track one down. It looks like there are only two Viggens from 2000 or newwer within a 200 mile drive of here for sale (on cars.com at least.) One of the dealers is only 9 miles from me though, so perhaps next weekend I'll go pay them a visit.




Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
just say 6'2" lolzor
The Fat man has changed the topic yet again :)

 

ed21x

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is it possible to add a Scion TC to your choice? That would be in the 20k price range new. An Accord EX Coupe would be around $22000, and is also a great car. Of your list, I would go with the RSX more for interior quality than any of the other factors you mentioned.
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Toyota avalon?

I wouldn't consider the matrix a very comfortable car for your size.
To be honest, I don't think the Matrix would be very comfortable either. But it gets awesome millage and I'd expect it to be extremely reliable. Also, probably a lot slower than I'd want to put up with. I'm old enough now that car insurance prices won't kill me no matter what I get, so I think I'll stick to the slightly more powerful (and bigger) options.


Originally posted by: ed21x
is it possible to add a Scion TC to your choice? That would be in the 20k price range new. An Accord EX Coupe would be around $22000, and is also a great car. Of your list, I would go with the RSX more for interior quality than any of the other factors you mentioned.

I thought about the Scion TC, but it just doesn't do anything for me. I don't like the Mazda 3 either. I also don't like the Mitsubishi Evo. I'm leaning more towards a sports car, I only am considering the RSX it's cheap and it has a nice interior, but if I can get something a bit older and faster, with similar reliabillity, then I would prefer it. As far as the accord is concerned, the 4cyl doesn't interest me, though the 6 cyl wouldn't be too bad me thinks. :)
 

dbk

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I think you should scrap the RSX or any other hatch and get a Pontiac GTO.
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should scrap the RSX or any other hatch and get a Pontiac GTO.

I thought a lot about GTO's and American Muscle, but the handling just isn't there. My 1999 Chrysler could steer better than the GTO.
The RSX was actually my least considered model, as I think I'd much rather have the 3.2 CL, however, I wanted to toss it in to the poll, just because I am still considering it due to the fact that it gets better milage then my other options.
 

swtethan

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oh man the GTO looks gooood... 400 hp


i dont care about handling but damn the 400 hp is calling my name
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: swtethan
MB E320 2003
Aren't Benz's supposed to be maintenance nightmares?


Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Without an ECU upgrade the Viggen will get around 31 highway/26 city.

Rog
That is really good to know.
I seriously must test drive one. Though I'm not sure how much maintenance something like a Viggen would require.

Anyhow, I'm goin to sleep for the night, thanks to all who replied with comments, suggestions, opinions, and suggestions.

Good night!
 

ed21x

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I thought about the Scion TC, but it just doesn't do anything for me. I don't like the Mazda 3 either. I also don't like the Mitsubishi Evo. I'm leaning more towards a sports car, I only am considering the RSX it's cheap and it has a nice interior, but if I can get something a bit older and faster, with similar reliabillity, then I would prefer it. As far as the accord is concerned, the 4cyl doesn't interest me, though the 6 cyl wouldn't be too bad me thinks. :)

ahh... in that case, I highly recommend the Accord Coupe. I am currently driving a 2006 SE Sedan version and it certainly has plenty of pep, as well as 4 wheel disk brakes (no drums), and the interior, while not as cushy as the RSX, is definitely roomier and cleaner.