Best Performance All Season Tire?

[sdifox]

running Yoko Avid Envigor 2nd summer. Like them so far. hopefully it will last.

 

[SithSolo1]

I've got ~15k on my DWS and the tread still looks good, 90% city driving. Dealership measured it at 8mm on all four about 300mi ago and the S is still clearly visible in the tread. I will say this, they have no where near the grip my summer tires did and it is easy for me to chipper them or trip the slip light in the dash.

 

[ballmode]

what you driving sith?

 

[thescreensavers]

I've got ~15k on my DWS and the tread still looks good, 90% city driving. Dealership measured it at 8mm on all four about 300mi ago and the S is still clearly visible in the tread. I will say this, they have no where near the grip my summer tires did and it is easy for me to chipper them or trip the slip light in the dash.

This almost exactly what I have.

In my previous post in Kia's thread a tire rotation seem to fix the traction issues.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Dear everyone looking for A/S tires,

Buy Continental ExtremeContact DWS.

Sincerely,
AT Garage

Dear everyone looking for HIGH PERFORMANCE A/S tires,
They all perform within about 10% of each other in the dry. If you want real performance from a tire, buy a summer tire. If you have to have A/S, buy DWS or flip a coin; you'll come out about the same either way.



Seriously, A/S tires really don't differ that much in raw performance. Some have better wet performance due to tread patterns, but they can use rubber compounds in A/S that are only so soft due to the need for cold traction. Rather than obsessing over which A/S tire to buy, spend that time earning extra coin to buy summer tires and another set of wheels if you must

 

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[SithSolo1]

what you driving sith?

I've got a G35 coupe w/ the sport package.

This almost exactly what I have.

In my previous post in Kia's thread a tire rotation seem to fix the traction issues.

Can I rotate these with the sport package? In the past I've had the tires dismounted and swapped side to side, front to front/rear to rear, but all those were unidirectional.

 

[KIAman]

So far, I've got 7k miles on my DWS and I drive my car like it's stolen (WOT at least 2 times a day). Measured tread is 8/32. This already beats my OEM RFTs and other tires I've used before which only have lasted 10-11k before showing metal.

Quick pick of the DWS wear marker on my tire taken as of 10 minutes ago.

Also, my username comes from the fact I drove a KIA sportage from 1996-2006. I loved that car. It became a part of my life.

 

[ballmode]

we should sticky

 

[fralexandr]

i kind of liked the stock Eagle RS-A tires on my parents infiniti g35, the back tires were replaced with Bridgestone Serenity Turanzas, and the car doesn't handle quite as well anymore (that might just be due to having 2 different tires with different aging though) also the Turanzas aren't as quiet, but are significantly cheaper

haven't tried the continental DWS, though i hear they're less quiet than the Turanzas

 

[PeeluckyDuckee]

I use Nokian WR2 but WR2 seems to wear faster than WR. Good tires all around, good enough for Calgary winters.

 

[alexruiz]

I missed this one. For those infatuated with the Conti DWS, please report back after the winter. A few Kizashi owners replaced their stock Dunlop SP Sport 7000 (HPAS also) with the Contis based also on the glowing reviews at tirerack, and while dry and wet traction improved slightly, the hit in the snow was noticeable. Most of the Kizashis have the V rated version of the sP 7000 as stock.

Bottom line: the DWS are NOT a better all around tire than the SP sport 7000, at least not better than the V rated version of the Dunlop. Might be better in the dry and wet, but definitely NOT in the snow.

Afterthought: Reviews at newegg about hardware should be all good as they are by "tech geeks", right? Well, you know the story, they are not. Same here for tires, just because the reviews are at tirerack, doesn't mean they are good, written by "true drivers"... stay assertive.

 

[JCH13]

I missed this one. For those infatuated with the Conti DWS, please report back after the winter. A few Kizashi owners replaced their stock Dunlop SP Sport 7000 (HPAS also) with the Contis based also on the glowing reviews at tirerack, and while dry and wet traction improved slightly, the hit in the snow was noticeable. Most of the Kizashis have the V rated version of the sP 7000 as stock.

Bottom line: the DWS are NOT a better all around tire than the SP sport 7000, at least not better than the V rated version of the Dunlop. Might be better in the dry and wet, but definitely NOT in the snow.

Afterthought: Reviews at newegg about hardware should be all good as they are by "tech geeks", right? Well, you know the story, they are not. Same here for tires, just because the reviews are at tirerack, doesn't mean they are good, written by "true drivers"... stay assertive.

:thumbsup:

This is why I put much more stock in tests from TireRack than the reviews.

 

[MotF Bane]

And the better answer is still what JLee said. Dedicated snow tire, dedicated summer tire, and switch as the seasons demand.

The first time you leave your driveway with the summer tires on after a long winter is oh so satisfying.

 

[JCH13]

OP: did you try anything suggested in this thread?

 

[SithSolo1]

:thumbsup:

This is why I put much more stock in tests from TireRack than the reviews.

When the DWS was tested for snow it was leaps and bounds better than all the others tested by Tirerack. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=124 (9-9-09)

Wet/Dry it came in 2nd. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=119 (6-10-09)

As you can see those tests are two years out of date and the possibility that better tires are out now exists.

We might have snow here 1 week a year so that's not an issue for me personally. My issue was I was tired of spending $900+ on a set of tires and only having them last 20k or less miles. That's why I went with a higher mileage, UHP A/S which happened to be the DWS. Yes I miss the traction of summer tires but these cost less initially and look to last 2-3 times as long.

 

[Hellotalkie]

Wheres the best place to buy those tires (dws)?

 

[ballmode]

tirerack unless your local shop carries them

 

[alexruiz]

When the DWS was tested for snow it was leaps and bounds better than all the others tested by Tirerack. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=124 (9-9-09)

Wet/Dry it came in 2nd. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=119 (6-10-09)

As you can see those tests are two years out of date and the possibility that better tires are out now exists.

We might have snow here 1 week a year so that's not an issue for me personally. My issue was I was tired of spending $900+ on a set of tires and only having them last 20k or less miles. That's why I went with a higher mileage, UHP A/S which happened to be the DWS. Yes I miss the traction of summer tires but these cost less initially and look to last 2-3 times as long.

That was a review against only 4 other tires. Tire rack itself has at least like 20 different HP / UHP all season tires. The tires tested were evenly matched as they are more "3.5" season tires on the UHP side. A HP tire would be better all around

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

No love for the Potenza RE960AS?

 

[ballmode]

I think the Potenzas are more money but is a better tire.

 

[JCH13]

Ballmode: did you try adjusting your damper settings ever?

 

[CRXican]

once you add add in the S for snow you clearly don't care about "performance"

I run the Conti DWs and they are long lasting and did a pretty good job of keeping me on the road in the canyons

 

[ballmode]

I gotta find the key to dial it up. I might stiff it up to the second one of five up front and leave the rear alone.

I actually want to get stock STI springs instead of the tokicos I have. Not sure if I need top hats or anything