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Best Overclocker: AMD or Intel?

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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
A handful of people is right - that's about it! I don't think there's anyone else here @ AT with a 2.4 @ 3.5 or higher on air. I can't think of anyone.
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3.51 on air in a small form factor with a 200w power supply. 292 fsb baby. 🙂

 
Originally posted by: RamIt
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
A handful of people is right - that's about it! I don't think there's anyone else here @ AT with a 2.4 @ 3.5 or higher on air. I can't think of anyone.
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3.51 on air in a small form factor with a 200w power supply. 292 fsb baby. 🙂
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Nice! Upgrade that tired old 8500 and you'll be cookin' with fire 😀
 
Lets also remember this ppl...that 70 dollars we are talkingabout is good if you are coming from a crappy vid card and not going up much...In the mid to high tier vid cards 70 bucks is not enough to bump you from mid to high tier....

Secondly lets lookat it this way...

take a barton 2500+ and oc to 3200+ a very reasonable OC with current yields.....needs pc3200

Take a P4 2.4c and oc to 3.2ghz also very easonable with current yield...needs pc3500 and run in 5:4 mode which can work very nice....Tlak to thugs you can run 3:2 ratio still with most agressive timings and still have impressive numbers for pc3200 stuff....Actually most good pc3200 cas 2 stuff still may make it fine to pc3500 levels with the 5:4. My corsair pc3000 could run 450mzh cas 2.5,3,3,7. So not everyone will need to upgrade to very expensive pc3700 stuff to still get beter performance then stock and better then any Barton.


Now most doing that with a barton get equal performance rating of Barton 3200+ which by many including AMD ppl is highly overrated PR rating. The p4 on the other hand with a fsb of near 1080fsb with dual channel (real, I will get to later) pc3500 will be far faster then a stock p4 3.2ghz cpu which alraedy holds big leads on the overrated chip. Throw in HT which I have seen first hand and this is a joke of a comparison!!!!

The real dual chanel comment is due to the fact that an amd processor at 400fsb has a theoretical bandwidth of 3.2gb/s and dual pc3200 would have bandwidth of 6.4gb/s..The cpu is limited and never will take advantage of all of that bandwidth....On the other hand a Intel chip at 800fsb can handle 6.4gb/s of bandwidth and at 1080fsb even more and the 2xpc3500 with its 7gb/s combined will use every bit of it.


I think if we are talking about 70 bucks this is minor...Also I 2.4c with near default vcore will oc to 3.2ghz level with stock cooling and some AS...I have seen it!!!
 
so, from what you said duvie, which by the way I'm in awe of your wisdom, I would gain more from an upgrade to a new 865pe board w/ my 1.8a oc'd than from a new 2500 barton and nforce board? Correct? 98$ for an abit as7 or about 160 for a barton and nforce setup. Suggestions please
 
Originally posted by: Nyquest007
so, from what you said duvie, which by the way I'm in awe of your wisdom, I would gain more from an upgrade to a new 865pe board w/ my 1.8a oc'd than from a new 2500 barton and nforce board? Correct? 98$ for an abit as7 or about 160 for a barton and nforce setup. Suggestions please
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No, we are talking about the P4 "C" chips here. The P4 A's are definately more comparable to AMD's performance rating scale (ie if you have a later 1.8A and you can o/c to let's say 2.6 Ghz, it will be in the neighborhood of the 2600+ Athlon).

However, if you get any P4 "C" chip and overclock it past 3 GHz, it smokes any AMD Athlon XP setup. The dual channel memory bandwidth high FSB and Hyperthreading make the P4 "C" so good.

But still, if you have a really good overclocking 1.8A, it makes much more sense to get a new board and some nice d/c memory (like an Abit IS7) and then down the road buy a P4 "C" chip (like a 2.6C, for example).
 
Thanks, It's does seem like the obvious upgrade path. I just want to be sure not to be persuaded by the thought of having something new and different. I've never had an nforce setup. I had the old KT266a setup and moved to this pf rig. I went from 1800xp / kt266a to a 1.8a on an 845g and saw no improvements and stock. Only when I OC'd the p4 to 2.5 and over did it compare to my other rig, which suched cause I sold it to get this one. But it's been only recently that I've even had the notion to upgrade, with boost getting more than 20%. But I think in dx9 game performance, the bottlenecks will be more focused around the GPU. P4 encoding with sse & sse2, some zip extraction, one or two older games( i've noticed that in DX9 benchies, the gaps close on alot of chipsets) and maybe one or two office apps only best the XP's by small percentages. So little money to spend, but so much to spend it on!!!
 
When I upgraded my 2.4b@3.24ghz from a single channel DDR mobo to dual channel DDR mobo I only saw an increase in the range of 5-10% in most of the multimedia apps I do...I did not test gaming, but I am sure it would have like the much increased bandwidth as well.

20% increase will only come from upgrading to a C chip in my opinion....And that 20% would be at same speed. I mean this p4c is worlds apart from my 1.6a@2.74ghz cpu. At 2.86ghz it was already past my p4 2.4b@3.24ghz in some testing and by as much as 13%.
 
I may just wait on all the upgrade thinking and come back to the table in a few months. I've been struggling with the idea for a while now. Thing is, I'm leaving Monday for Air Force basic training. Between BMT and Tech School I won't see my system until march or early april next year. By then who nows what will be out, new cpus, mobos, gpu, mem!!!! OR atleast prices on present day products may be a little better. But thanks again for the intel Duvie.
 
Originally posted by: Nyquest007
I may just wait on all the upgrade thinking and come back to the table in a few months. I've been struggling with the idea for a while now. Thing is, I'm leaving Monday for Air Force basic training. Between BMT and Tech School I won't see my system until march or early april next year. By then who nows what will be out, new cpus, mobos, gpu, mem!!!! OR atleast prices on present day products may be a little better. But thanks again for the intel Duvie.
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Good move...Intel may have the prescotts out or just the 1mb l2 cache northwoods....A64 chips may dramatically come down and may be a better option....

You are right a lot can happen in 6 months..Heck I likely wont have this chip anymore....
 
While the highly overclocked P4 is faster, why compare it to a stock 400MHz fsb Barton? Many people are getting near 500MHz with fsb overclocking on AMD rigs, not to mention the latest Barton cores are more commonly reaching 2.4GHz.
 
Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
well intel is more overclockable
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amd's are more fun-er. the flexibily of the mult changes has always been attractive to me. apparently that advantage is about to go out the window unfortunately....

dew.
 
Originally posted by: dew042
Originally posted by: UCSDHappyAsian
well intel is more overclockable
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amd's are more fun-er. the flexibily of the mult changes has always been attractive to me. apparently that advantage is about to go out the window unfortunately....

dew.
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I agree with that - adjustable multipliers simplify overclocking immensely. If the reports of AMD locking their newest chips is true, it doesn't look good for the AXP line for the moment...
 
Originally posted by: Shimmishim
well... let's think about this a little more carefully..

i used to be the same way.. thinking that amd was SOOO much cheaper than p4's...

if you go with the abit is7 and a 2.4C or 2.6C that'll run you a nice ~$270

let's say you go with the 2500+ and epox 8rda+ which will run you about ~$170

so yeah.. you do have about $100 difference...

but also remember that in order to keep decent temps with a barton, you'll most likely need an aftermarket hsf while with the p4's you can overclock nicely with the stock cooler...

so throw in a nice $20-30 cooler and the price difference is now about $70 bucks.


so is $70 bucks THAT big of a difference when considering that if you build a brand new system, you'll end up spending more money for a video card, ram, etc.?

i guess some would say you could spend that extra $70 and upgrade your video card.. which you could...

at least IMHO, the extra $70 bucks or so was worth it for me.

and another nice thing is that i can run a higher fsb than any nforce2 board which means i'll get the advantage of extra bandwidth.


as i said, this is just my opinion and am in no way trying to start another AMD vs. Intel flamewar. i've been an avid amd overclocker until june of this year!!! if people remember, i went through tbred 1700+'s like there was no tomorrow (about 13 in total) 🙂
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don't forget to add $ to the intel setup for a sound card

 
Not true about the heatsink cost for a Barton 2500+. Many of them are now hitting 3200+ speeds at stock voltage, retail heatsinks are cooling just fine. I have a Thermaltake TR2-M2 running my 2300MHz 2500+ at 45C full load, the 3-speed fan control is set on medium. Quiet and cool for $15.
 
personally I rather OC and AMD then to OC an intel,
at least if I trashed the CPU by accident,
It won't cost too much compared to an Intel Processor lol
 
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