best non-SLI/non-OC mobo for the C2D

sesshin

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I am building a computer based around the Core 2 Duo processor but I do not plan to overclock or run SLI/Crossfire. What would be my best options?

No price range really, I just want a great motherboard, but at the same time don't want to spend more than I have to.
 

krotchy

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Anandtech had an article, and I think the Gigabyte DS3 came out on top for no-OC. The only downfall to the DS3 IMO is the lack of firewire, otherwise, great board.
 

AstroDogg

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Originally posted by: krotchy
Anandtech had an article, and I think the Gigabyte DS3 came out on top for no-OC. The only downfall to the DS3 IMO is the lack of firewire, otherwise, great board.
Lack of firewire is a bad thing?? Whatever. What do you have that uses firewire. Get rid of it USB 2.0 is faster. The dinosours are dead stop playing with the bones.
 

krotchy

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Originally posted by: AstroDogg
Originally posted by: krotchy
Anandtech had an article, and I think the Gigabyte DS3 came out on top for no-OC. The only downfall to the DS3 IMO is the lack of firewire, otherwise, great board.
Lack of firewire is a bad thing?? Whatever. What do you have that uses firewire. Get rid of it USB 2.0 is faster. The dinosours are dead stop playing with the bones.

Yeah USB works great for Video Cameras. Every try capturing from any video camera over USB. Its crap. Firewire for DV/HDV capture is 1000x better.

Stop threadcrapping idiot. Firewire is not dead, and has plenty of specific uses.
 

AstroDogg

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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
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Wow.. what an ignorant post. Thousands of people buy Intel branded boards; they are the most stable of any of the boards out there.

Nobody ever said the majority was intellegent. Not that the majority buy these board. Care to back up your claim of it being the most stable?
 

AstroDogg

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Originally posted by: krotchy
Yeah USB works great for Video Cameras. Every try capturing from any video camera over USB. Its crap. Firewire for DV/HDV capture is 1000x better.

Stop threadcrapping idiot. Firewire is not dead, and has plenty of specific uses.

If your having problems with your usb then you are overloading the hub or you are having irq conflicts. Just because you were stupid enough to buy a $2500 camcorder than uses firewire doesn't mean it works better. And a new videocard may go a long ways if your picture is poor. This time try typing without the anger because your wrong and got called on it. so we may understand what it is you typed.

The point is 1 out of 1000 people might use firewire it does not need to be on the board. Those few people can buy a freaking $9 card and open thier sidepanel and plug the thing in. There is no way it needs to be on every single board when nobody, but few people back in 2000-2001 bought a few products that used firewire during a six month period. Then idiots like you keep advertising it because you don't want to let yourself think you wasted your money, and in an effort to justify yourself you think you'll feel better if you know of someone else spending thier money on the same thing.
 

krotchy

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Originally posted by: AstroDogg
Originally posted by: krotchy
Yeah USB works great for Video Cameras. Every try capturing from any video camera over USB. Its crap. Firewire for DV/HDV capture is 1000x better.

Stop threadcrapping idiot. Firewire is not dead, and has plenty of specific uses.

If your having problems with your usb then you are overloading the hub or you are having irq conflicts. Just because you were stupid enough to buy a $2500 camcorder than uses firewire doesn't mean it works better. And a new videocard may go a long ways if your picture is poor. This time try typing without the anger because your wrong and got called on it. so we may understand what it is you typed.

Wow, thats funny. Because the 10K camera (Not camcorder) I use at work uses firewire to a Miranda HDV -> HD-SDI decoder. Also firewire is used for remote controlling both the Miranda box and the Camera. Try importing any video from a real camera via USB vs Firewire and the difference is immense.

I have no problems with USB, in fact I think it is terrific and fast for most applications. However Firewire is not dead. Get it through your thick skull. Geez, where is this hostility towards firewire coming from besides ignorance. How do you come at me saying I have an overloaded hub and its slow when I never claimed USB was slow. I use USB for virtually everything I do. But firewire is still better for video and overall file transfers (Including using USB/Firewire HDD enclosures, though I prefer eSata and Gigabit Ethernet in this area)

That being said, my case that no high quality camera uses or will ever use usb over firewire. The overhead makes it significantly slower compared to firewire. You asked for one example I gave it to you. You respond with flaming. Go home troll.
 

AstroDogg

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Originally posted by: krotchy
That being said, my case that no high quality camera uses or will ever use usb over firewire. The overhead makes it significantly slower compared to firewire. You asked for one example I gave it to you. You respond with flaming. Go home troll.

Talk about Flaming what does any of what you said have to do with this thread.
 
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Last time I checked, Intel Bad Axe 2 is one of the best motherboards on the market (more or less tied with the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe for the title of best 975X chipset motherboard). And most video-cameras do use the Firewire interface.

Claiming that people who buy Intel boards are idiots that advice others to go Intel just to feel better about their purchase is just poor taste.

And it takes some nerve to attack something with a decent track record like the Bad Axe motherboards and then support a brand-new motherboard in this era of memory compatibility issues and immature BIOSes.
 

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Originally posted by: AstroDogg
Originally posted by: krotchy
That being said, my case that no high quality camera uses or will ever use usb over firewire. The overhead makes it significantly slower compared to firewire. You asked for one example I gave it to you. You respond with flaming. Go home troll.

Talk about Flaming what does any of what you said have to do with this thread.

Um you attacked me for simply saying no firewire is a minor drawback. Then I responded to your reasonless flame, and now Im flaming and lost topic of the thread? Sorry you ran out of responses to the actual issue you started. This is my last response, go home kid.
 

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I bought the Asus P5W DH Deluxe which is based on the Intel 975x chipset. So far its been a great board. Very stable. I don't plan to OC. I did run the 3D 2006 benchmark and it scored over 5k which seem pretty good. I have an E6600 CPU with a 7950 graphics card. Not a cheap motherboard at $220 but it works. I have heard lots of good things about the Intel BadAxe2. I would have bought the BadAxe bought the Asus was cheaper at the time.
 

AstroDogg

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Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Last time I checked, Intel Bad Axe 2 is one of the best motherboards on the market (more or less tied with the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe for the title of best 975X chipset motherboard). And most video-cameras do use the Firewire interface.

Claiming that people who buy Intel boards are idiots that advice others to go Intel just to feel better about their purchase is just poor taste.

And it takes some nerve to attack something with a decent track record like the Bad Axe motherboards and then support a brand-new motherboard in this era of memory compatibility issues and immature BIOSes.

It is one of the better current boards out of a list of 20(if your not overclocking). I never cut the board one bit. I mearly remarked upon the companies target consumer. The last time I checked Yuppie wasn't a curse word. It's a group of people that want the best name when buying a product no matter if they are giving up anything else or if another product is better. If it's name and reputation is not as intimidating they won't puchase it.

I knew I was going to get jumped on for the post I made this does not bother me. But before anyone makes a comment like I'm an idiot. That person sould have asked themselves if they ever called Intel junk or cut Bill Gates just for the reason of mocking the company/product. I'm a little sick of these over oppionated people that claim and praise one thing then a few month or a year later have no loyalty to that same brand because it's no longer the talk of ultimacy.

Yes your right of course firewire is better for HD source to source video feeds but it doesn't need to come native on the board unless the board is build for the video editing enthusiest. To make a remark of this like its the end of the world deserves some ridicule. The few people that use it can buy a very inexpense add-on card. To make a statement like USB will never be better is just plain arrogance kinda like the attitude a Yuppie carries.

Still buying an Intel board is like the guy ontop of the hill that spent $85,000 on a new Mercedes. Has a party so all his family and friends can see the new car he bought his wifey. After arriving they see in the driveway a plain-jane white stationwagon with a peace symbol for a hood ornament. His favorite feature is you can't hear the wind whisteling with one window down going 55MPH. WOW Mann! $85,000 well spent in my book. NOTT!!

Hey I'm not here to insult anyone just making a point. If you can't understand the analogy then you are either to young in experiance, prejudice or yourself a person of the example. Relax Breath its just a point. and stop smoking cigarettes they aide in raising the hostility.

Intel is targeted at doing applications and compiling this in no way makes it the best for everything. Check the latest motherboard review here on this site. I would have to say the raine of the Intel chipset has fallen. Sooner you come to terms with that the better. To shoot down a New board such as the P6N-sli without looking at its reviews seems silly to me. FYI it has no substantiated claims of a single thing wrong with it. Do you think the so called immature bios is going to fall backwards as it is updated? Just a bit more about information you do not posess the 680i and 650i chips have been on the market for 4 months now I would hardly call this new not in the computer market.

moosey who is who that post was directed at is in every single thread about the purchase of a motherboard posting and advertising that same motherboard no matter what the clients needs or wants are. You cant tell me that the Badaxe2 is that good and that it is absoultly the best board for everyone and in every system(get real). Currently the best overclocking board is the Asus Striker, The best multimedia board is the GA-N680SLI-DQ6(it does have firewire I guess a real critera in being the best motherboard), The best Buisness/encoding board is the GA-P965-DQ6, The best gaming board currently is the Asus Striker with EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 Rev2 ready to back it up or perhaps beat it. MSI's P6N Diamond is probley going to knock all of those off the hill top except one. Now thats funny I dont see the Badaxe2 in there anywhere. All these boards are 100% stable with the latest Bios. Incorrect overclocking is what makes for instability. Something extreemly restricted by Intel. The only reason they have a reputation for being stable is thats what they tell everyone. It really can't be argued since they never overclocked till recently and now the settings cant go high enough that you could make it unstable, because no other company makes motherboards in the mid and top level that don't allow overclocking to the point of instability. So people need to stop rubbing that crap in the faces of those who just don't know any better. I'd take a board for stability that is capibile of running a 500Mhz bus and run it at default 200 bus speed over one that cant get to 430 on air any day. Wouldn't you? Must be better componets in the one that can run stable at a higher speed. So that should throw the theroy of Intel being more stable right out the window. When were talking Flagship boards or mid-level boards stability comes from the user not the board. Calling Intels top-board a flag-ship is like taking a tug boat into the Russian's cold waters It's not made to do battle with the big boys
 

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Dude, I don't get what your problem is. So what if I recommend a BX2? I've had a great experience with it and researched a lot before I bought it. I'm sure not going to recommend some 680i board with all the issues associated with that thing unless SLI is necessary. It's all based on opinion, but I guess you know which boards are best for certain things as a fact and everyone else is just uninformed.

All you're doing around here is praising Nvidia saying that they've "outclassed" Intel and recommending MSI boards. You're also berating people like Modular
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=2014597&enterthread=y and holding yourself up as better than everyone else.

I don't know what your problem is.
 

AstroDogg

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See thats your problem. You dont know nothing. Like the fact that the P975 and P965 was 3 times more problematic when it was new. You also seem to careless that the issues you claim for the chipset don't exist anymore and that MSI never had them to begin with.
You obvioulsy must of searched very hard through all my posts to come up with something to use against me. Good find.
If you would of looked a little closer you'd see a post I made that I don't even like Nvidia.
MSI has wronged me in the past the last thing I'm going to do for that company is help it make sales. I unlike the three of you hold no judgement and deciefer a fair offering. Obviously with more up to date knowledge then you three have.
Moosey at least you didn't start calling me names and sputter out fragments of sentances I gotta give you credit for that.
As far as Modular goes belittling is not the same as blatently confronting someone about lying. As you notice from the link you posted there isn't a denile of it. But a conformation of a retraction with a new stating rewording the truth. Nobody gets so lost with the simple commands given by ts that has extensive computer building skills and tweaking knowledge. You can even gather the disbelief in ts's post. You got a problem with seeking the truth but not of a lier? That sounds like Hades or nieveness. Actually this whole thread sounds like a bunch of losers with no lives, and take nothing serioulsy except thier persona of a know it all fake guru. Ya'll grow up and get a job that will put some hair on the chest. I hate calling people stupid, because I believe stupidity is an excuse for laziness and that person believes they are wise in thier ways of preforming less work. You know Cain thought like that and was banished from the Earth. Have fun twisting that one around like I called you evil trying to discreadit me Further. I really don't think you guys are stupid(Well with a name like krotchy no reason to think about the intelligence there), but your actions say it lot better than I can. If you dont like my suggestion go tweak your D.V.p.p.e.i. Don't crap all over me because you are offended by the future or a power that is greater than your own. Moosey suggest it all you want if they buy what your selling thats not going to bother me one bit. I just think you should reconsider stating its the best board out there especially when you can get the same features and the same reliabilty with the potential of higher performance gains from a little tweaking at nearly half the cost. I'd rather deal with the RMA program of MSI over Intel's any day so what are you really selling here? Most of what I said was of concern to jlbenedict and krotchy so each of you take what applies to you and deal with it. I don't have time to deal with each of you separately because you get mad at someone who doesn't share opinion in your suggestion. Altough jlbenedict never made a suggestion he is just in here bashing. Probley as to a disagreement of another post from him under a different name. There is no reason for the attacks the two of you made against me then have the gull to turn around and say I attacked you ROFL man you two are a joke.
 

jlbenedict

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Are there any claims and proof that the MSI board listed is the so called "Best" of the best?

Or are you just talking out of your ass?

enough said


You'd be really suprised to know how many Intel branded motherboards are sold.
I'll put it this way; when I open up the servers at work to blow the dust out of them, I can guarantee you they don't have MSI motherboards in them.

I think if Intel has developed their chipset, i'm quite sure they know how to implement it.

Astro is just another example of someone that loves to bash people that purchase Intel branded boards.. nothing more..


And USB 2.0 faster than Firewire? wow....thats just all I have to say
 

jlbenedict

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More proof that Astrodogg is a troll and spouts off stuff out of his ass.

"MSI is a great company building High quality products at lower prices. This is mainly accomplished by allowing the other companies to go first and watch the troubles they have and learn giving MSI better products the first time out. They also have the best RMA program ever seen in a motherboard manufacturer just incase you put your memory in backwards or something stupid."

How much is MSI paying you?

"I'm not 100% sure on this, but PCI-X is to replace the PCI slots."

Oh really? PCI-X will never replace PCI.

"The only thing that would really be worth it is buy a 36GB Raptor drive format 2069MB of it and dedicate that drive to the page file system(virtual memory)."

You call people "yuppies" for purchasing Intel boards, yet you've been suckered into the hype that Raptor drives are the top $hit. Hypocrite. There are numerous drives out that eat the Raptor for lunch.

"I hope you are using XP Pro if you have dual core or hyperthreading. XP Home does not support multiple processors nor does XP Media."

XP Home works just fine for dual-core or hyperthreaded CPUs.

"After hitting F6 have your drivers ready on a floppy or a cd. A dvd will not work as the drivers have not been installed at this point."

Wow; so if i'm installing XP from my DVD optical drive and it reaches the "F6" prompt, then how the fvck does my DVD drive work at first, but then it won't work if I need to install a controller driver from another disc? A DVD drive is the same as a CDROM drive; a standard ATAPI device that uses the same XP "cdrom.sys" device driver to initialize and use the drive. I've installed the "F6" controller driver many times from CDROM and DVD. Its only a matter of telling XP that the path to the driver is at "C:\<path>".

"Currently the best overclocking board is the Asus Striker, The best multimedia board is the GA-N680SLI-DQ6(it does have firewire I guess a real critera in being the best motherboard), The best Buisness/encoding board is the GA-P965-DQ6, The best gaming board currently is the Asus Striker with EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 Rev2 ready to back it up or perhaps beat it. MSI's P6N Diamond is probley going to knock all of those off the hill top except one"

So, you're the one to be, of all knowledge? Your opinions are like reviews; its only a matter of opinion. What you think is "best" could be $hit to someone else. You're not the god of motherboards. If people like using Intel boards, so be it. Intel has a track record of providing some of the most stable motherboards manufactured and there really is no disputing the facts. If people recommend Intel branded boards, then there obviously must be a reason."

"Lack of firewire is a bad thing?? Whatever. What do you have that uses firewire. Get rid of it USB 2.0 is faster. The dinosours are dead stop playing with the bones."

Do you even know the specs of firewire, also otherwise known as IEEE 1394? USB and IEEE 1394 are both great technologies. I'm glad legacy ports are on their way out. USB is good for certain things; as firewire is also. It doesn't cost much to implement both and/or technologies on a motherboard.
 
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Sheesh AstroDogg, stay off the Red Bull! It's just a freaking piece of computer hardware! Buying Intel is NOT anything like buying a Mercedes! :p

You said it best yourself:
Relax Breath its just a point. and stop smoking cigarettes they aide in raising the hostility.

It's just...computer hardware man. Lighten up.