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Best motherboard for a 800mhz chip????

DannyLove

Lifer
Hello, i just want some info regarding a motherboard. I'm planning on building a new system. But here's the dilemma. I dont know whether i should invest in a p3 system or amd. What do you guys think? I'm aiming for about 800mhz (not clocked)? if anyone has any suggestion on both intel or amd sides i would gladdly take them. i just need to know what motherboard with what chipset is best. and please, try to avoid any flames on such opinions. Thanks beforehand.

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Danny
 
For AMD, I would go with the KT133 chipset (for now) since it is the only one that is truly available. The particular board would be the MSI K7T Pro2a. However, if you are willing to wait, there should be some new chipsets becoming available soon like the KT133a, AMD 760, and the ALi MaGik, which all look promising. However, for a 800MHz, the KT133 should be fine.
 
its a good thing one of us knows AMD, b/c i dont. you have your AMD opinion. now for intel. if you end up going with a P3, the ASUS CUSL2 and the MSI 815 Pro2 are probably the best boards. it seems to be a toss up between the two. both are extremely reliable and stable. if one were better than the other based strictly on facts, i would go with the CUSL2 b/c ASUS has been producing stable mobos longer than MSI has, and the CUSL2 is considered by most to be the most stable, reliable, and overclockable i815 board out there. which brings me to the question...

before you go out and buy any kind of 800 mHz CPU, do you plan on over clocking at all? if not, the P3 800EB would be best since you get the same CPU performance as the P3 800E, but you also get the 133 mHz FSB performance too. if you are going to OC, dont get an 800E or an 800EB. go with the P3 700E. the 700s are generally known to OC better than 800s. and the 700E having a 100 mHz fsb will leave you more headroom for OCing, than the 700EB (which has a 133 fsb).
 
thank you so much for both views. I've always been an intel person, but i didnt want to discriminate amd so i also value your opinion paulip (in doing so, i voted for u) I'm going to take your advise sunny, and most likely, i will buy a 700E and OC it. Thanks for the INFO!!!!!!!!!1


Danny
 
no problem...any time🙂

btw, i never discriminate against AMD either. they are a superb marketing and technological group. it is amazing what they have done in the industry as intel went from top dog to 2nd best with their marketing failures. the reason i dont talk about AMD is b/c i have never used an AMD CPU and i dont know enough about their line of products to give any credible or valid information about it. thats why i'm glad paulip88 knew about AMD and could give you an opinion on the AMD side of things. anyways, good luck with whatever setup you go with!😉
 
I had been a Intel user for years until about a week ago when I built my first "current" AMD system.I did have a Abit BE6-II and P3650e@806(did hit 820 with it but my GORB didnt cool so well that high)but I replaced it with a MSI K7T Pro2a and 800MHz T-bird.My opinion?I may not go back to Intel anytime soon.The K7T Pro2a was a breeze to install/setup and has been nothing but 100% stable for me.With prices on Duron/T-bird chips being so low you can afford to buy a fast chip(to begin with)if overclocking isnt your thing.

As far as price/performance ratio goes AMD is the way to go IMHO.And I highly suggest the MSI K7T Pro2a if you want to buy now.
 
i guess my ignorance or my biased views towards amd has lead me to only buy intel. I really dont know anything about AMD nor its stability. I'm certainly going to look into these suggestions and see what is best. So far both sides are good, however, Syc, you've experienced both intel and AMD worlds and have a better knowledge. I admir that. I will definetly consider your view and look into these products.

in reponse to Sunny129:
if i do plan on overclocking (which i probably will if i go to intel) you're suggestion that i get a 7003 right. OKay here's my question. Since the Asus CUSL2 is 133 FSB, is a 100 FSB chip (im assuming the 700e is a 100mhz fsb) still compatible with the motherboard. And why won't i be using all 100% of the motherboard (ie 133). Does this relate to your view on the 800e and b? I think i just answered my question. nevermind. But can you help me with the first. thanks
 
you will have no compatibility problems. yes, the CUSL2 officially supports the 133 mHz FSB, but this does not mean that it cant scale down to a 100 fsb or 66 fsb. already knowing that the only way to OC an intel CPU is through the FSB, a 700E running on 100 mHz fsb (which is default for the "E"s) will have a locked multiplier of 7. when the fsb is increased to 133 mHz, the CPU will run @ 933 mHz (7.0 x133mHz) provided the CPU will OC to that speed. and there is no need to worry about AGP and PCI bus speeds, b/c at an fsb of 100 mHz, the 2/3 divider will set the AGP bus @ 66 mHz. the 1/3 divider will set the PCI bus to 33 mHz. with an fsb of 133, a 1/2 divider will set the AGP bus to 66 mHz again, and a 1/4 divider will set the PCI bus to 33 mHz again. now i'm not sure which boards support these dividers, but the CUSL2 does since it officially supports the 133 fsb.

as for the "E" and "EB", the EB defaults at 133 fsb, so OCing it would require the user to raise the fsb above 133, and that is when dividers start to steer away from default AGP and PCI bus speeds, inceasing the chance of instablility of AGP and PCI slots. that is why people say that there is more headroom when OCing an "E" - the EB is already @ 133 fsb and can be pushed very little above that. those who hit an fsb of 150 are lucky in my opinion. and if they do this with an 800, they are extremely lucky. the 800E is not a good OCer, and thhe 800EB is even worse due to the above reasons. the difference between the 700s and 800s are only statistical, as stats show that, by chance, the 700s just tend to OC well and the 800s tend to OC poorly. but the difference between the E and the EB is very factual, and you will never find anyone who says an EB will OC better, or even as good as the E.
 
Now that someone has said it, I'd go with a CUSL2 as well for an Intel setup. A bit hesitant at to make the recommendation at first considering that I don't actually have any experience with the thing.

Anyway, regarding stability, my AMD setup is running rock solid (meaning no reboot in over a month while running RC5 all the time). There are occasional issues, but I'm not sure whether they are specific to it being an AMD rig or because of Win2k driver issues. I suspect the latter, since I have similar issues on my PII Win2k system and my roommate has had no such problems with his AMD TBird running Win98SE.

Some AMD boards are a pain to setup though. The MSI boards are generally better in this aspect, at least for the AMD side.
 
sunny, well said. I think i know what to do now. I wish to thank you once again. All your info and everyone else's info were gave me enough info in my dicision making process. I thank you guys and these wonderful forums! Thanks! 😀

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