Best motherboard brand for longterm Bios support?

Schadenfroh

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I do not upgrade my computer's motherboard often (I am still using an nForce3!). I was curious what the top brands are for longterm support. By longterm support, I mean bios / firmware updates. Gigabyte seemed to cease updates for my motherboard fairly quickly and only updated cpu support (things like firmware for the onboard SATA controller went neglected).

So, are there motherboard makers out there committed to offering bios updates for a while after their product is released that improve / fix things other than support for new CPUs?

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keeleysam

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ASUS is pretty good, they are still updating the P5B Deluxe's BIOS, and that board is almost two years old.
 

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ASUS and Abit are decent with BIOS updates, depending on the board. The IP35 series boards have had many BIOS updates. Now that things seem pretty stable now, I wouldn't expect many more. And with the 775 Socket approaching end of life I don't see too many more upgrades for additional CPU support. It's all Nehalem from here.
 

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I have not owned an Abit since the BH-6 days, good motherboard. I had heard that ECS builds their motherboards for them now (even though they still do in house design), which made me worried. I also have heard that many of the people at Abit at the time of the great BH-6 days have since gone on to work for DFI. I am probably staying away from ASUS due to bad luck with them in the past. Any other companies worth considering for long term bios support?

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(source for abit outsourcing)
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsS.../07/30&pages=14&seq=89
 

Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I have not owned an Abit since the BH-6 days, good motherboard. I had heard that ECS builds their motherboards for them now (even though they still do in house design), which made me worried.
lots of mobo manufacturers actually contract out production of certain lines - ECS used to make some of the cheap abit's (predominantly mATX) but my understanding is that type of work is now done by their (new) parent USI rather than ECS.

 

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I don't think it's fair to say that brand X is better than brand Y because X releases more BIOS updates, if X needs that many updates for its motherboard to be as stable as Y's motherboard's initial BIOS release.
 

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Originally posted by: nerp
ASUS and Abit are decent with BIOS updates, depending on the board. The IP35 series boards have had many BIOS updates. Now that things seem pretty stable now, I wouldn't expect many more. And with the 775 Socket approaching end of life I don't see too many more upgrades for additional CPU support. It's all Nehalem from here.


This is a good piont. How well were the added Bios updates during the end of life P4, compaired to the ever closer to end of life of the LGA775.

 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: Heidfirst
lots of mobo manufacturers actually contract out production of certain lines - ECS used to make some of the cheap abit's (predominantly mATX) but my understanding is that type of work is now done by their (new) parent USI rather than ECS.

ABIT KV-85 v. ECS K8M800-M2

ABIT NF-95 v. ECS C51G-M2

ABIT NF-M2S/V v. ECS GeForce6100SM-M

ABIT IP-95 v. ECS P4M890T-M2

USI is not a manufacturer, per se, but rather a full service EMS/DMS company. That means, it mostly uses other companies for the actual manufacturing. In addition to its EMS/DMS business, USI does a lot of assembly, testing, packaging, and distribution.

ASUS has very inconsistent long-term BIOS support, depending on the model/series. It has numerous premium motherboard models that barely received one year of BIOS updates before wrapping up with a couple parting single-issue (i.e. hotfix) BETA releases. e.g. A8N-SLI Series, A8N32-SLI Series, and A8R32 Series, just to name a few.

As for consistently long-term BIOS development, nobody comes close to Intel.
 

Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: tcsenter


ABIT KV-85 v. ECS K8M800-M2

ABIT NF-95 v. ECS C51G-M2

ABIT NF-M2S/V v. ECS GeForce6100SM-M

ABIT IP-95 v. ECS P4M890T-M2

USI is not a manufacturer, per se, but rather a full service EMS/DMS company. That means, it mostly uses other companies for the actual manufacturing. In addition to its EMS/DMS business, USI does a lot of assembly, testing, packaging, and distribution.
Notice that those are all older boards though (not to mention that there are such things as reference designs & especially on cheaper lines it may not make commercial sense to deviate much).
My understanding is that USI do have their own factories.
 

evident

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from my experience, i say asus. i used to have a P5WDH deluxe, a 975X chipset which came out during the Pentium 4 days, which had an update that could run the latest C2D 45 nm chips.

abit took a while to get 45nm support out for their IP35 series, but its out now and stable too.

Dont know how much longer "support" will be needed in socket 775 land, as nehalem or whatever is coming out next year and there won't be a die shrink i dont believe.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: Heidfirst
Notice that those are all older boards though (not to mention that there are such things as reference designs & especially on cheaper lines it may not make commercial sense to deviate much).
Open the BIOS ROM for ABIT's IP-95 in Wordpad, you will find reference to "elitegroup" and "PCCHIPSIP-95". Where do you think reference boards come from? Reference boards are design wins that were submitted to and chosen by the chip vendors. The reward for having one's design selected is exclusivity, at least for a significant period of time (typically not less than 180 days).

Do you think Intel says, 'Congratulations on the reference design win, Foxconn, now we're going to let ASUS manufacture it, too. Thanks!' Nobody would bother with the considerable expense of designing and submitting reference design candidates if the win didn't come with exclusively.

If ABIT has a board design/layout that is identical to an ECS board, there is no merit whatsoever to the supposition it could have been manufactured by anyone other than ECS.

My understanding is that USI do have their own factories.
USI has its own SMT and board assembly lines primarily for industrial, automotive, networking, and other application-specific boards and modules. It contracts-out most standardized large-volume consumer and server motherboards because it simply cannot do these cheaper in its own facilities.

As you correctly note, there is not much commercial sense in using own-design on the low end unless you can sell millions of it. This was a significant reason for ABIT's financial troubles to begin with, trying to use its own designs on the low-to-mid range, when it could only sell a few hundreds of thousands of each design at most. USI is no more capable of manufacturing its own designs on the low-end than ABIT was, not while remaining competitive with ECS and Foxconn.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: evident
from my experience, i say asus. i used to have a P5WDH deluxe, a 975X chipset which came out during the Pentium 4 days, which had an update that could run the latest C2D 45 nm chips.
Be thankful you didn't get P5WD2-E Premium, which didn't even receive one full year of BIOS updates.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: evident
from my experience, i say asus. i used to have a P5WDH deluxe, a 975X chipset which came out during the Pentium 4 days, which had an update that could run the latest C2D 45 nm chips.
Be thankful you didn't get P5WD2-E Premium, which didn't even receive one full year of BIOS updates.

ugh.

i guess all mb manufacturers vary depending on the model i guess
 

Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: Heidfirst
Notice that those are all older boards though (not to mention that there are such things as reference designs & especially on cheaper lines it may not make commercial sense to deviate much).
Open the BIOS ROM for ABIT's IP-95 in Wordpad, you will find reference to "elitegroup" and "PCCHIPSIP-95".
that's an older, discontinued mobo though where I've already agreed that some were made under contract by ECS.

My understanding is that USI do have their own factories.
USI has its own SMT and board assembly lines primarily for industrial, automotive, networking, and other application-specific boards and modules. It contracts-out most standardized large-volume consumer and server motherboards because it simply cannot do these cheaper in its own facilities..
abit of course still has it's own factories for the higher end but all I can say is that I have been told by someone that should know (& who has no reason to lie to me) that ECS no longer does the lower end work but that USI does now.