Best IP cameras?

[riahc3]

Im looking for some IP cameras. Some suggestions for night, external, etc. would be nice. PoE, 802.11, etc.

Thank you

 

[riahc3]

Last edited by allisolm; Today at 11:02 PM. Reason: moved from General Hardware

Isnt this section more geared to consumer digital video cameras?

 

[ViRGE]

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Isnt this section more geared to consumer digital video cameras?

Yes, but it's still better suited to IP cameras than General Hardware.

 

[corkyg]

Internal Protocol (IP) cameras are digital video cameras linked to networks or Internet for purposes of surveillance/security. These have been discussed before in this forum.

This might energize some responses:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/ip-cameras

 

[Kaido]

Im looking for some IP cameras. Some suggestions for night, external, etc. would be nice. PoE, 802.11, etc.

Thank you

On the low-budget side of things, I'm a big fan of Foscam. Works via webpage, with software (such as Blue Iris), and with smartphones:

http://foscam.us/

 

[riahc3]

Ive heard about Foscom.....What models do you recommend?

 

[MustISO]

What's your budget? How many cameras and do you need a DVR, mobile application support?

 

[riahc3]

What's your budget? How many cameras and do you need a DVR, mobile application support?

Im sorry for not posting that information.

We are looking at a total of 8 cameras for two warehouses and a office that can be remotely viewed over the internet via web browser or mobile app on iOS and Android. All cameras must be viewable at night either nightvision or LED lights. Our budget for ONLY the cameras (in total) is about 1,500.00 euros (about $2,042.71).

One of our cameras will be an indoor office one. This is the least powerful (therefore cheapest) one as our office is small and indoors.

We will use four cameras (two in each identical warehouse). These will be on opposite corners to make sure that all of the warehouses are being seen. I believe it might only need PZ (no tilt) and MUST be dust proof (IP60 at least). If the price permits it, these will probably be powered by PoE.

Later we need two outdoor cameras. The two warehouses meet at a corner and their doors are not too far from that corner so it might be possible to just use ONE camera at a corner that views both doors. Obviously this camera must be dust, water, snow, etc. proof, PTZ, and motion detection (if using just one). This is the most powerful (therefore most expensive).

We are going to be using a QNAP VS-4112 Pro+ for data storage (DVR) with WD Purple drives.

I think that's all I told sales of each company I wrote to.

 

[luv2liv]

i have this at home. it is POE, no PZ though. but with resolution of 1080p, u prolly dont need PZ. u dont need a fancy DVR, it can save files to a networked PC sharing a drive. i havent tried storing files to my usb drive that's plugged into the router. it is $200 per indoor camera. and they do have outdoor versions.

 

[riahc3]

i have this at home. it is POE, no PZ though. but with resolution of 1080p, u prolly dont need PZ. u dont need a fancy DVR, it can save files to a networked PC sharing a drive. i havent tried storing files to my usb drive that's plugged into the router. it is $200 per indoor camera. and they do have outdoor versions.

You didn't even mention the name, brand or model?

Also, this isn't for a home, its for a business...

 

[Kaido]

Im sorry for not posting that information.

We are looking at a total of 8 cameras for two warehouses and a office that can be remotely viewed over the internet via web browser or mobile app on iOS and Android. All cameras must be viewable at night either nightvision or LED lights. Our budget for ONLY the cameras (in total) is about 1,500.00 euros (about $2,042.71).

One of our cameras will be an indoor office one. This is the least powerful (therefore cheapest) one as our office is small and indoors.

We will use four cameras (two in each identical warehouse). These will be on opposite corners to make sure that all of the warehouses are being seen. I believe it might only need PZ (no tilt) and MUST be dust proof (IP60 at least). If the price permits it, these will probably be powered by PoE.

Later we need two outdoor cameras. The two warehouses meet at a corner and their doors are not too far from that corner so it might be possible to just use ONE camera at a corner that views both doors. Obviously this camera must be dust, water, snow, etc. proof, PTZ, and motion detection (if using just one). This is the most powerful (therefore most expensive).

We are going to be using a QNAP VS-4112 Pro+ for data storage (DVR) with WD Purple drives.

I think that's all I told sales of each company I wrote to.

Based on your requirements: (not sure what camera #8 is)

(4) Warehouse cameras PZ/IP60/PoE
(2) Outdoor cameras PTZ (most expensive)
(1) Indoor office camera (cheapest)

That's a pretty tight budget for what you want:

* ~$2000 USD max for 8 cameras
* Web access (via browser & iOS/Android apps)
* Pan & Zoom
* Dust proof (IP60 minimum)
* PoE preferred
* Nightvision capable (IR or LED lighting)

That only gives you an average budget of $250 per camera. A camera with those features can easily be double that, if not eight times that amount. For starters, since you're going to be using a QNAP surveillance NAS, you'll need to select one of their compatible cameras:

http://www.qnapsecurity.com/pro_compatibility_camera.asp

You can cross-reference features quicker through this database: (although you'll have to check it against QNAP's compatibility list)

http://www.bensoftware.com/securityspy/helpcameralist.html

 

[Scarpozzi]

I was going to buy 3-4 IP cameras from foscam or other to do POE and set them up with my QNAP NAS, but I ended up seeing a sale on a 4 channel system from Q-See at Home Depot for $199. I paired that up with a $100GC I had and got 4, IR cameras and a 500GB DVR for $99+tax....it's back up to $399, but you can find it cheaper from time to time.
http://www.homedepot.com/s/qsee?NCNI-5

After looking at IP cameras, I think I'm a fan of these centralized systems even more. You get the advantage of not needing to do POE or deal with extra trouble of cables and NAS connections. You can buy pre-terminated cables in longer lengths. It has 2 wires, one for video and one for power that terminate in my wiring closet. I can connect to the Q-See DVR via Android/iPhone/iPad or simple web browser and stream video or make settings changes. It's one place to configure all cameras.

Quality is pretty good and the DVR has HDMI out. Pair that with a 50 foot HDMI cable if you want a big display....or just use the IP interface. It's very clean and works great.

 

[riahc3]

Based on your requirements: (not sure what camera #8 is)

(4) Warehouse cameras PZ/IP60/PoE
(2) Outdoor cameras PTZ (most expensive)
(1) Indoor office camera (cheapest)

I saw our second warehouse today and I IMAGINE that its for the top floor. From what I see, it will problably be another indoor office camera.

That's a pretty tight budget for what you want:

* ~$2000 USD max for 8 cameras
* Web access (via browser & iOS/Android apps)
* Pan & Zoom
* Dust proof (IP60 minimum)
* PoE preferred
* Nightvision capable (IR or LED lighting)

I must agree that the budget is indeed EXTREMELY tight and I did mention this with my boss but hey.....Im just the worker.

I imagine that it can be stretched but not by much and it must convince him.

The things he most stressed about is WAN access (via browser and iOS/Anddroid app) and Nightvision. The rest, he could pretty much careless about. The IP60 min is something I personally think is needed since we are talking about a warehouse with a lot of machinery and spare parts pileing up. PoE is only if the budget permits if. If not, scratch that but I do think we should go Ethernet as Ive read that wifi cannot cut it at 720. Pan and Zoom inside the warehouse isn't that critical as at the end of the day, it is a pretty square warehouse so putting it in the middle should give use enough wide angle to see everything.

That only gives you an average budget of $250 per camera. A camera with those features can easily be double that, if not eight times that amount. For starters, since you're going to be using a QNAP surveillance NAS, you'll need to select one of their compatible cameras:

http://www.qnapsecurity.com/pro_compatibility_camera.asp

You can cross-reference features quicker through this database: (although you'll have to check it against QNAP's compatibility list)

http://www.bensoftware.com/securityspy/helpcameralist.html

I think there is no doubt if there is more bang for buck, $300 per camera would be OK too.

I already warned him that the outside camera is going to be pricy so that's why I mentioned that maybe one with 360 degrees is enough.

The list is HUGE so I went ahead and contacted some of the makers which QNAP lists as most cameras are supported with the device. I have heard back from some, others didn't even bother.

Ill check out that second link.

Any more advice/tips?

 

[riahc3]

Im looking at Dahua Technology's cameras as they got a lot of features, good price range, and compatible with the QNAP. I cant find any place online to buy them though...

 

[Kaido]

I think there is no doubt if there is more bang for buck, $300 per camera would be OK too.

I already warned him that the outside camera is going to be pricy so that's why I mentioned that maybe one with 360 degrees is enough.

The list is HUGE so I went ahead and contacted some of the makers which QNAP lists as most cameras are supported with the device. I have heard back from some, others didn't even bother.

Ill check out that second link.

Any more advice/tips?

Yeah because for everything on the requested features list, you're really looking at $2,000 - $3,000 USD per camera. You'll have to check if they're compatible, but Foscam makes a couple different low-end cameras that might work for your application. Here's a fancy outdoor one for $300:

http://foscam.us/products/foscam-fi9828w-ptz-wireless-ip-camera.html

And a fixed POE outdoor model for $107:

http://foscam.us/products/foscam-fi8905e-outdoor-poe-ip-camera.html

 

[riahc3]

Yeah because for everything on the requested features list, you're really looking at $2,000 - $3,000 USD per camera. You'll have to check if they're compatible, but Foscam makes a couple different low-end cameras that might work for your application. Here's a fancy outdoor one for $300:

http://foscam.us/products/foscam-fi9828w-ptz-wireless-ip-camera.html

And a fixed POE outdoor model for $107:

http://foscam.us/products/foscam-fi8905e-outdoor-poe-ip-camera.html

I completely agree with you: I told him that every decent camera Im looking at and is compatible with the QNAP, you are looking at 1000+ but thats the budget for this.

It seems that Dahua Technology's cameras are near impossible to get a distributor here in Spain so I guess they are out the question.

The Foscam Outdoor FI9828W is wireless, so will that affect performance being outside? The Foscam FI8905E looks good but its not IP60 and being in a warehouse, dust builds up increibly fast.

Thank you anyways.

I looked at Foscam as they also seem to have cheap alternatives. BTW, Ill go cheap on the indoor ones; I already told my boss that we should spend one good camera on the outside.

 

[luv2liv]

i forgot to paste the link in
but here it is http://www.networkcameracritic.com/?p=2236

 

[riahc3]

i forgot to paste the link in
but here it is http://www.networkcameracritic.com/?p=2236

That Hikvision DS-2CD2432F-I is not bad: 199,00 €

A rep from Brickcom is coming on Thursday so lets see what he offers at what prices....

 

[riahc3]

Well, it seems that we have legal problems putting cameras outside so they are right now out of the picture.

The budget is the same (I suppose) but we just need IP60 rated or above cameras with the ability to see at night. We would need one (or two) for the office which I like the TRENDnet TV-IP572PI (79&#8364

Then another four (at least) for the warehouses. Our warehouses are pretty square so Im not sure PTZ is necessary (maybe only P and Z).