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aigomorla

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the pump isnt fully bleed yet.

There is NOWAY that setup is louder then a 15k SCSI.

BTRY it can take up to 24 hours on some cases to completely bleed.
 
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Originally posted by: aigomorla
the pump isnt fully bleed yet.

There is NOWAY that setup is louder then a 15k SCSI.

BTRY it can take up to 24 hours on some cases to completely bleed.

I can hear it just like my Maxtor Atlas 15K drive. I don't see anymore air bubbles either. I've ran the pump, flipped the case left to right, top to bottom and 99% is out. Are you sure it needs to keep running for that to work? Don't forget my bleed hole/air hole is on the bottom.

BTW - 4Ghz 1.3vcore max temps by core = 45* 38* 40* 40* after 15 min on Prime95 running MAX HEAT & power - which always ran my 8400 hotter than Linpack ever did; ambients @ 70*f

EDIT: Thank you btw for an AWESOME setup! Love the performance of it! My 8400 would peak at 64*c @ 1.20vcore & 4Ghz

EDIT 2: mid 40's after 30+ min
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Originally posted by: aigomorla
the pump isnt fully bleed yet.

There is NOWAY that setup is louder then a 15k SCSI.

BTRY it can take up to 24 hours on some cases to completely bleed.

I can hear it just like my Maxtor Atlas 15K drive. I don't see anymore air bubbles either. I've ran the pump, flipped the case left to right, top to bottom and 99% is out. Are you sure it needs to keep running for that to work? Don't forget my bleed hole/air hole is on the bottom.

BTW - 4Ghz 1.3vcore max temps by core = 45* 38* 40* 40* after 15 min on Prime95 running MAX HEAT & power - which always ran my 8400 hotter than Linpack ever did; ambients @ 70*f

EDIT: Thank you btw for an AWESOME setup! Love the performance of it! My 8400 would peak at 64*c @ 1.20vcore & 4Ghz

EDIT 2: mid 40's after 30+ min

btry flash cycle the pump.

you got a bubble stuck in the impeller housing, which is causing that noise.

If you look on youtube you can see people with your setups and the noise it generates.

It shouldnt whine like a 15k SCSI drive.
 

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Plug/Unplug it. I usually take a screwdriver and LIGHTLY tap the pump housing to help trapped air escape.
 
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I'll look into it, Thanks.

Here are the pics with the Asus P5Q Premium board installed. I decided to go with this instead because I can use the DDR3 kit for my i7 Build later on down the road. Plus, this already has 8Gb of DDR2 900/(450fsb)

Early pics of plans with Asus P5Q3:
I get the T fitted for my drain line
Time to test the 1" spade drill bit
Excellent clean cut: highly recommended A+++++!!!!!
Proof
Fitted the Danger Den Fill-Port for my drain
Closer view
Eyeballed this alignment
Drain completed
On the way
Inlet line to EK Supreme block

With Asus P5Q Premium
Board already installed
Different look
Mounted a 120mm fan to keep the Ram & NB cool - works wonder for my overclocking.

That's pretty much it. I'll be working on lowering the vcore hopefully to somewhere around 1.28-1.25 which i think it'll do because the heat from the NB ( ~ 40) was holding it back.
 

daw123

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Looking good BTRY.

I'll be joining you as a proud owner of a I7 920 set up, since I just trashed my QX9770.
 

daw123

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Dropped it on the floor by mistake:

Originally posted by: daw123
Question: What's the quickest way to kill a CPU?
Answer: Drop it on the floor.


I was cleaning the heat spreader on the chip prior to installation in the MB and it fell out of the protective cover on to the floor. Lots of expletives later...

The drop slightly bent one corner of the processor. See the photo below:
http://i429.photobucket.com/al...wilson123/IMG_0892.jpg
You can just about see the bend in the photo above.

I re-built the case with the liquid cooling system, switched the system on and after a couple of seconds it switched itself back off. Here's some photos:
http://i429.photobucket.com/al...wilson123/IMG_0885.jpg
http://i429.photobucket.com/al...wilson123/IMG_0886.jpg

Oh' and my dad also dropped the fill port on the MB, which probably didn't help (although I couldn't see any damage). The Wilson family must be blessed with butter fingers.

Checked all the wiring in the case / MB and it was all ok.

I removed the CPU block and CPU for further examination.

Upon further examination, I noted that the top of the CPU had a hairline crack across where it had bent.

One expensive key-chain:
http://i429.photobucket.com/al...wilson123/IMG_0889.jpg

So, I'm using the old computer now.

I've had a look on the 'Net and fleabay and the price of the QX9770 has not come down since I bought it despite the release of Nehelam (its still about £600)

I've decided that I'm going to upgrade (after only 3 months!) and buy a X58 MB and I7 920 and maybe some more RAM, which will cost about the same as buying the QX9770. At least I can re-use the two RAM sticks on the new MB.

I'm thinking about the Asus P6T Deluxe or Gigabyte GA-X58-UD3R - which do think is best? I also need Xfire support

My mum's given me £250, loaned me £200 (I can pay her back in instalments), so I only have to find £150 (£600/$900 total), which won't be a problem.

All in all, a pretty shitty day, although I will now be getting Nehalem, so it could be worse.


 

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I may be joining you by running dual channel I7. I will likely re-use the 2x 2GB OCZ Platinum Edition DDR3 1800Mhz sticks.

It's shame we don't have the same RAM - I could have sold you one of my sticks and I could buy 2 more, so that we were both running triple channel.

Thinking it about it, OCZ may sell individual sticks - I will check it out.
 
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Damn man! Should of been called, "whats the quickest way to upgrade to a Nehalem?" I can't believe it bent like that, that's odd, they seem rigid. Nice loop btw. Nicely placed fill port. How is your pump? Loud? er like a little humming? For me that little humming goes a long way. At anytime I can hear the pitch changes in the tone of the hum, it might drive me nuts...
 

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The pump was very quite on the bench test. With it inside the case, I haven't a clue. The PSU won't stay on long enough for me to hear or in deed know if there are any leaks in the loop.

I initially filled the res so that it was completely full, prior to switching the PSU on.

It was getting late and I had to drive back to my house from my parents, so I didn't have time to drain the res. So I have just left the loop will a small amount of distilled water in it (about 300ml). I'm guessing it will be ok, since such a small part of it has been filled. I put the fill port plug back in, so that the loop (in theory) should be completely sealed. I've also told my mum not to move the case, and to keep it upright.

I'm hoping that I will get the new MB and CPU in about 3 weeks time.
 
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WOW! I wish my PC A-20 was more H20 friendly.

I just emailed super talent asking about selling those single stick kits, you ought to do the same with OCZ
 

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I will take your advice about e-mailing OCZ.

I've also had a look on fleabay: I can get the retail version of the I7 940 for £400.00 inc. V.A.T. and delivery from a fleabay shop.

I can get the Asus P6T Deluxe for £230 inc. V.A.T. or the Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 for £200 inc. V.A.T.

Ooh, tempting.

EDIT: I've found a 1x2GB module for sale from a UK shop:
http://www.4allclients.co.uk/?action=4&id=1687598
 

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BTRY, excellent job on your system!

DAW; sorry about your Qx9770; I would have taken mysefl outside and beat myself to death, lol.
 

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Originally posted by: Infrnl
BTRY, excellent job on your system!

DAW; sorry about your Qx9770; I would have taken mysefl outside and beat myself to death, lol.

I was tempted. Then my dad dropped the fill port on the MB an hour later and I was speechless. I'm going to upgrade to I7 (tempted to buy the 940), but just realised that I will have to replace the RAM as well, since my DDR3 DIMMS run at 1.95V and the triple channel stuff runs at about 1.6V.

 

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Originally posted by: daw123
Originally posted by: Infrnl
BTRY, excellent job on your system!

DAW; sorry about your Qx9770; I would have taken mysefl outside and beat myself to death, lol.

I was tempted. Then my dad dropped the fill port on the MB an hour later and I was speechless. I'm going to upgrade to I7 (tempted to buy the 940), but just realised that I will have to replace the RAM as well, since my DDR3 DIMMS run at 1.95V and the triple channel stuff runs at about 1.6V.

Thats a bummer about the ram situation. Is there some way you may be able to save just a little longer so you can get the new ram and get the 940? I think the 940's are getting a little higher clocks, but not sure if its worth the cost over the 920. 920's can still get over 4 ghz on air; so maybe on h2o you may be lucky to get 4.5ghz.

BTRY, your welcome:)
Need to do more research and see if i can start ordering parts tonight or maybe tomorrow. I also noticed that the 920 went back up to $280 today at MC.

Thinking about selling my wifes 9450 and mobo and replacing with a 9550 and gigabyte board. I was playing with the 9450 on this gigabyte board and wasnt having much luck. I think it maxes somewhere between 3.6-3.8ghz. Also put my 9550 on the P5K dlx and couldnt get the board to even get into windows @475.
Was also thinking of giving her my mobo and 9550 and getting me I7 and selling the 9450 and P5K dlx wifi-ap. Just more thoughts to consider, lol

Curious to see what your new results will be with the Q9650 on H2O! keep us posted on the results
 
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Holy Cow! I kinda figured something like that would happen. There probably is a new revision or new batch coming out and they wanted to get rid of them er something like that, who knows maybe not but that's comforting to know. What have you decided on a pump? I'm going to wait this 355 out and see what happens. It may get quieter who knows. But if not I'm going to give the MCP655 version with the speed controller a try. Don't know if they ship internationally but you can get one here.

Wait, you tried the 9450 in your board? What stepping is the 9450? I think some are C1 and the others are the E0 stepping. I'm kinda disappointed my Q9650 will not do lower voltages at 4ghz VID voltage range goes from 0.85V ? 1.3625V and I'm already close to the max at 1.30-1.31v.

Off the top of my head i get readings by Hardware Monitor of 32* 32* 28* 28* at idle and i think my max were low to tipping mid 40's under load. Not bad. That was about an hour of Prime95 using the MAX HEAT & STRESS test. I've ran Hardware Monitor playing some games for about a half hour by my 8400 which maxes at 64* only maxed around 55* which inst bad. It's a good little chip and I think I may look for a better HS&F than the Zalman 9700 I have for it and have it as a backup or play around and get the chassis ready for an H20 setup :D hehe

I'll get some screen shots up as soon as I can.

P.S. put that stuff up for sale. I already have my P5Q3 listed :)

ttyl
 

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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Holy Cow! I kinda figured something like that would happen. There probably is a new revision or new batch coming out and they wanted to get rid of them er something like that, who knows maybe not but that's comforting to know. What have you decided on a pump? I'm going to wait this 355 out and see what happens. It may get quieter who knows. But if not I'm going to give the MCP655 version with the speed controller a try. Don't know if they ship internationally but you can get one here.

Wait, you tried the 9450 in your board? What stepping is the 9450? I think some are C1 and the others are the E0 stepping. I'm kinda disappointed my Q9650 will not do lower voltages at 4ghz VID voltage range goes from 0.85V ? 1.3625V and I'm already close to the max at 1.30-1.31v.

Off the top of my head i get readings by Hardware Monitor of 32* 32* 28* 28* at idle and i think my max were low to tipping mid 40's under load. Not bad. That was about an hour of Prime95 using the MAX HEAT & STRESS test. I've ran Hardware Monitor playing some games for about a half hour by my 8400 which maxes at 64* only maxed around 55* which inst bad. It's a good little chip and I think I may look for a better HS&F than the Zalman 9700 I have for it and have it as a backup or play around and get the chassis ready for an H20 setup :D hehe

I'll get some screen shots up as soon as I can.

P.S. put that stuff up for sale. I already have my P5Q3 listed :)

ttyl

The 9450 I have is a C1 stepping; I did try it on the new board and didnt have any luck ay all.

So your 9650 is a C1 as well? that sucks cause I have read that the 9650 should be better than the 9550. My 9550 is an EO and Im lovin it.

Bad thing is if I sell the 9450 and P5K dlx; I lose money and what to replace it with? 9550 used is hard to come by and 9550 new is $320. would almost be better to go I7, but missed out on the $229 deal and I am thinkin the B stepping is getting slightly better results.

However most of the guys I see results from are pushing the I7's around 1.4v or more to hit 4ghz-ish. I think max on those is around 1.35v, not sure. Plus they are coming out with new mobos (x58) so I do not know which one to get.

lastly I do not have the money to get I7 right now; especially while getting H2O parts.

I guess I could list them and see what happens; listen to my wife yell at me after sh said she was fine at 3.6ghz, lol. take what money I can and either try to find a 9550 EO or go I7. LOL, not sure If I want her to have my 9550 either, but I guess since she doesnt use her puter much I can run it for folding (need to get back into that anyway; its been a good year since I have had a computer setup long enough to fold.

Also just wanted to let you know I got a good deal on some San Ace fans early this morning (Updated in my thread). This was thanks to Aigo and XS!
 
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No, its an E0 but it seems the voltage should be lower for 4.050Ghz but then again its a quad core.

I figured the new X58 mobo's were about due now so I'm also waiting that out and I emailed Super Talent to see if they'd sell me a single stick of the DDR3 I have but haven't heard back from them yet.

LOL< there is a big difference between 3.6 and 4Ghz ...in gaming atleast.

I'm prepared to be content with maybe just 3.8Ghz on the i7 plus at that deal, i shouldn't scream and pout.

Yeah, seen the deal too, bought a measly 10 compared to your 32, LOL

Hold off on the i7, you will be content knowing your Yorkfield is running cool at ~ 4Ghz :) like mid 40's! YAY!

 

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Have you seen the new EVGA x58 board; its sick, but sure it will be above the $300 mark.

I see what your saying now about the fans, lol I think I may of went overboard and kind of feel bad for buying so many.
I got my tracking # this morning! very excited. I just am not sure how many I will need. I guess if I dont use them all; I can keep some for spares or try to sell some off to get back what i paid for them.

are the new 32nm I7's going to have 6 cores? wonder if that will require a new mobo? I read that they should be out in about 6 mos, but not sure on the truth to that. I do not get why they would release it that soon being they just released the first gen of I7 and AMD doesnt have anything to compete with it yet.
 

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I'd say I'm a hardcore overclocker when it comes time to do so; so settling for whats best in the top 2-3 boards is what I am looking into. Not sure what exactly is THEE best overclocking mobo out there but i'd say my price range isn't too high above the 300$ mark, then again I think i'll wait till those come down a bit, i paid @ 250 for my P5Q Premium board...

Not sure about the new i7's but from what I've heard is they will be a gamers chip, don't quote me though. I heard they are looking into integrating a GPU into the chip; not sure about that also.

If you were to pick a current X58 mobo what would you get? It's hard for me so that's why I'm waiting.
 
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Originally posted by: daw123
I'm thinking about getting this RAM:

Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2048MB) DDR3 Memory 1600MHz 3 x 240-pin DIMMs 9-9-9-24 for £150.00 inc. V.A.T.

This MB:
Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 for £215.00 inc V.A.T.

And more likely a I7 920 for £230.00 inc V.A.T.

Or I7 940 for £445.00 or £400.00 inc V.A.T. on fleabay.

I make that about £610 when shipping is included on top.

I've been shopping on the 'Net for 3.5hrs and couldn't get better prices than that stated above.

What do you guy's think of my choices?

I'd say see what people are getting with the 920's overclocked on a H20 system and if that suits you go with a 920 i7 I hear 4Ghz requires 1.4vcore That is too high for me as I decreased my old FX60s overclockability when I over-volted it. Did 3Ghz and some change but I tried for more and about a half year later, 2.9 was my best. Could of been the mobo but then again, I didn't trouble shoot for different parts like a new mobo. I'd like to shoot for 4Ghz my self but that might not be till the road for me and the i7 920 - way end of the road.

I personally noticed a difference with lower timings when I was running my Q9300 and this DDR3 1600 I dropped the ratio to 1:1 and was running 6.6.6.18 and it was noticeably faster. But you can buy that ram and run it 1:1 and try the same thing. You might see/feel an improvement.