Best high-end air for 775?

The Sauce

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Looking for high end air for my new C2D build. Plan on overclocking. I am currently torn between the Ultra-120 and Scythe Infinity. Looks like the Ultra-120 performs better and is easier to install so I am currently leaning that way.

I am ruling out the Tuniq because of size, noise and poor availability. Ruled out the Zalman 9700 for poor overclocking performance. Ruled out the Hyper 6+ because it seems like a real pain to install.

Can anyone add any thoughts to the subject?
 

DrMrLordX

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The Tuniq Tower 120 costs less than the Ultra-120 after you factor in add-on fan prices. You do realize the Ultra-120 does not ship with a fan, right? In theory, the Ultra-120 would outperform the Tuniq, but you'd need a 100-150 cfm fan.

Availability on the Tuniq isn't problematic either.
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: Imyourzero
What about the Big Typhoon?

Haven't really seen it listed anywhere in the reviews of good coolers, or compared to any of the top coolers.
 

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
In theory, the Ultra-120 would outperform the Tuniq, but you'd need a 100-150 cfm fan.

Where did you get that information? All comparisons I saw had the Ultra-120 way out on top. Frostytech doesn't even list Tuniq in the top five.
 

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ocforums (of overclockers.com) has a general consensus that the Tunique is the best, followed by the Thermalright
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: mojaveron
Originally posted by: Snatchface
Originally posted by: Imyourzero
What about the Big Typhoon?

Haven't really seen it listed anywhere in the reviews of good coolers, or compared to any of the top coolers.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/409/1/

That review seems rather hokey. First of all they don't really compare it to comparable air coolers. Secondly they hit 80C with the stock hsf @ 400fsb/1.4V?!? No other review has even gotten close to those temps. They had to be screwing something up.
 

The Sauce

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
ocforums (of overclockers.com) has a general consensus that the Tunique is the best, followed by the Thermalright

Thanks. Thats good information.

It's funny how there is absolutely NO consistency between reviews of HSF's. Usually after reading a few reviews for some component I can make an intelligent decision. After reading all of the heatsink reviews I was even more confused. Bottom performers in one review are top performers in another.

I know anandtech rated the Tuniq the best but then they haven't really reviewed most of the other high end coolers I am comparing it to. Newegg doesn;'t have the Tuniq in stock so I'll probably wind up with the Thermalright.
 

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All reviewers who are any good will tell you that the Tuniq is the absolute best air cooler. It will even beat some of the lower end liquid cooling setups.
 

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
tuniq 120 is one of the best coolers period.

I agree although I don't have one....YET!!!

I have 2x80mm case fans by Sunbeam though...:cookie:
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Snatchface
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
In theory, the Ultra-120 would outperform the Tuniq, but you'd need a 100-150 cfm fan.

Where did you get that information? All comparisons I saw had the Ultra-120 way out on top. Frostytech doesn't even list Tuniq in the top five.

Okay, two sources, albeit from different review sites:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=326&type=expert&pid=4

Observe here the Ultra-120 paired with a Delta SHE (~140 cfm) fan matching the performance of a Big Typhoon VX using its included fan at high speed (86.5 cfm). Now check this out:

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=103462

(note, server was down when I last tried to follow this link)

If you look at page 4 of this thread, or thereabouts, you'll find a nice big result list of each cooler tested with different fans. You'll notice the Big Typhoon (same basic cooler as the VX with a different mounting mechanism) beating the Tuniq Tower 120 with the three fastest fans tested. The slowest of the three fastest fans is I believe an 86 cfm Panaflow fan, or something like that . . . namely, a fan nearly identical in power to the fan included with the Big Typhoon VX. From this we can conclude that the VX is actually better than the Tuniq Tower 120, and the Ultra-120 + 140 cfm fan is also better than the Tuniq Tower 120, at least in nice open-air test beds anyway. In a case with sufficient airflow or a nice side-panel air guide (for the Big Typhoon VX), those results should be relevant.

I believe one of the best, if not the best HSF setups you can have is a Big Typhoon or Big Typhoon VX with a Silverstone FM-121 fan (~110 cfm). Anything over 100-110 cfm seems to be overkill and damn noisy. The fan included with the VX seems pretty good, too.

However, to get the Ultra-120 performing better than the Tuniq Tower 120, you need a fan in the 140-150 cfm range or thereabouts, which is going to be loud and expensive. Those high-end Delta fans cost upwards of $25 + shipping.
 

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

However, to get the Ultra-120 performing better than the Tuniq Tower 120, you need a fan in the 140-150 cfm range or thereabouts, which is going to be loud and expensive. Those high-end Delta fans cost upwards of $25 + shipping.

Then it really doesn't make sense now does it...:thumbsdown:
 

The Sauce

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Whoa now. I think you misread PcPer's chart. With the Delta fan it shows the the Ultra-120 giving the best numbers ("Delta T" is 4.5 degrees - best of the group) and with a relatively quiet Panaflo L1A it ties the Big Typhoon using a high speed, noisier fan at 5.7 degrees Delta T.

If you go strictly by that chart the Ultra-120 does 5.7 degrees deltaT at a lower volume and fan speed than the big typhoon. Delta-T seems to be the measure to temperature lowering based on that chart and the true measure of performance.

I had already read that review. It seems to show the Ultra-120 besting the big typhoon even with a relatively quiet fan.
 
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Enzotech Ultra-X Heatsink, $59.99
Review on Frostytech

This dude on XS tested it against the Tuniq Tower, both using the Silverstone FM121 fan. His results favor this heatsink against the almighty Tuniq Tower!

Edit: Results are for a Intel Xeon 3060 [L632A566] @ 3.6ghz on 1.375v

Room Temp - 25-27C
Fan Used - Silverstone FM121 120mm (110CFM~) @ 100%
TIM - CoolLabratory Liquid Pro, and Liquid Pro Metal pads.

Note- I hate the liquid metal pads, with the 6 I had they cooled for . The true liquid stuff applied by myself yielded a 10C difference.
Heatsinks were not lapped, nor is the Xeon 3060 IHS.
No extra cooling methods were used extra fans, paste over various parts etc.

Tuniq Tower
Closed Case Temp - 29C (damn video cards)
Idle - 39-42C
Full Load - 60-62C

Enzotech Ultra X
Closed Case Temp - 29C
Idle - 40-43C
Full Load - Varies 55-57C in Intel Thermal Analysis.

Another heavy-weight in town? The guy promises more results in the thread so those interested might wanna keep track of that on XS.
 

The Sauce

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Actually, after reading all of the reviews, it's Frostytech that I trust the least. If you look at their Top 5 Heatsinks - Performance chart they rate the Zalman 9700 #3. That's just outrageous. Everyone else who has reviewed it has determined that it's fairly mediocre in performance. I'm not really sure you can trust what Frostytech has to say about heatsinks.

Oh, PS to Prodigalrebel - I just read that XS review - that guy used a TIM pad for the review...not AS5. I don't see how you could get consistent results for a review using an adhesive TIM on the different heatsinks. That's just wrong.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Snatchface
Whoa now. I think you misread PcPer's chart. With the Delta fan it shows the the Ultra-120 giving the best numbers ("Delta T" is 4.5 degrees - best of the group) and with a relatively quiet Panaflo L1A it ties the Big Typhoon using a high speed, noisier fan at 5.7 degrees Delta T.

If you go strictly by that chart the Ultra-120 does 5.7 degrees deltaT at a lower volume and fan speed than the big typhoon. Delta-T seems to be the measure to temperature lowering based on that chart and the true measure of performance.

I had already read that review. It seems to show the Ultra-120 besting the big typhoon even with a relatively quiet fan.

Only the external thermocouple shows the Ultra-120 winning. The internal diode (CPU C) reports the same temperature for the Big Typhoon VX High Speed and the Ultra-120 + Delta SHE fan. Both the VX High Speed and Ultra-120 + Delta SHE resulted in internal diode temps of 34C. In my book, the internal diode temp is far more relevant to the performance of the cooler than the IHS temp reported by the thermocouple. It is likely that the thermocouple is responding to the ridiculous amount of air being moved by the Delta SHE fan more than anything else. I am also under the impression that the Delta T applied only to the thermocouple, not the internal diode, though it's not entirely clear whether Delta T applies to the thermocouple or the internal diode (or both).

Even if Delta T does apply to the internal diode temp, you are miscalculating the total load temp for the Ultra-120 with the Panaflow fan . . .

Ultra-120 + Pana L1A: Internal diode temp 35C, Delta T 5.7C, load temp = 40.7C
Big Typhon VX High Speed: Interal diode temp 34C, Delta T 5.7C, load temp = 39.7C

Of course, if Delta T applies to the internal diode temps, that means the Ultra-120 actually manages a temperature 1.7C cooler than the VX at High Speed, but it needs a monstrous fan to accomplish that feat. With a 102 cfm Sanyo Denki fan or Silverstone FM-121, I'm pretty sure the Big Typhoon would match or beat the Ultra 120 + Delta SHE.

Originally posted by: Snatchface
You see! I'm confused again! Madshrimps reviewed 50 heatsinks and rates the Zalman 9700 the best performer! WTF?

Shrimps Roundup

If you look at the case, airflow in it is terribly restricted. I've seen the CNPS9700 beat the Big Typhoon VX like a red-headed stepchild in cases like that. All they've got is a 56 cfm exhaust fan . . . that's it. The fact that they even put an Amanda in a setup like that is ridiculous. Furthermore, look at the other coolers in the review. The Tuniq Tower 120 isn't there, the Scythe Infinity isn't there, the Big Typhoon/Big Typhoon VX isn't there, the Ultra-120 isn't there, the Noctua NH-U12F isn't there, etc etc.

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

This dude on XS tested it against the Tuniq Tower, both using the Silverstone FM121 fan. His results favor this heatsink against the almighty Tuniq Tower!

That doesn't surprise me. It looks a lot like a hybrid between the Big Typhoon and an SI-128 or something, and the Big Typhoon has already been shown to be superior to the Tuniq Tower 120 with 100+ cfm fans (such as the 102 cfm Sanyo Denki fan). Most Tuniq users have complained that they don't get better performance out of the HSF using faster fans. What's nice about the Tuniq Tower 120 is that it provides good performance without having to swap out fans.

The FrostyTech review doesn't really show it in a positive light though . . . outside of the Ultra-120 and Noctua NH-U12F, the competition isn't terribly stiff.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
scythe andy....or what are we talkin about xD

Firingsquad's article (as linked by classy) shows the Scythe Andy to be inferior to the Scythe Infinity, at least when using the included fans anyway. Granted, Firingsquad did not show the actual enclosed case testbed, nor did they specify what case fans were used.