Best gaming card for $140

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Well, you must be about the only one on the entire forum that thinks a 8600GTS isn't a terrible deal. Being slower than 1+year old cards is pathetic. Particularly when you can find the older 7900/X1900 cards for less $$. The 128-bit memory interface is crippling, and while the 8600 isn't as god-awful as the 2400/2600, it's just very surprising that anyone would buy one. Either get a faster DX9 card for less $$, or pony up for the real deal, the 8800.

What less $$$? I gave you links for $122 8600gts.

I think you and 1 other guy in the entire forum think 8600gts isn't comparable to 1950pro.

Even 8600gts beats 7900gt on bioshock. Why isn't it a good deal for $122 after rebate? You tell me? Is 1950pro any cheaper?

128bit is not crippling when it's running 1130mhz.

1950pro is crippling in texturing dept compared 8600gts but hey you have to understand that 8600gts has 16tmu and radeon 1950pro has only 12.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused

Originally posted by: Azn
1950pro 8600gts are comparable. Get what suits you.

An X1950GT and an 8600GTS are comparable. An X1950 Pro is better than an 8600GTS, not comparable to. Don't put that bastard child Nvidia card in the same basket with the superrior ATI card -_-

I was going to get a Ferarri but I settled for a Fiero because the names were comparable . . . .

Hell, looking at benches, even the X1950GT is marginally faster than the 8600GTS. The X1950Pro is a *LOT* faster than the 8600GTS, and the X1950XT (if you can find one used) makes the 8600GTS look like an S3 ViRGE.

What benches? Tom's 6 month old driver tests?

Who cares, the 8600GTS was slow then, and it's still slow.

WTF? I gave you links. What proof do you provide? NOTHING!!! except your fanboish remarks.

X1950 Pro wins. End of Story?

Want Reviews? Fine.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=1
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/ (Please note this is a factory overlcocked 8600GTS)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/ar...php?id=2237&cid=3&pg=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...eforce_8600/index.html (As much as you seem to hate THG it still there)
http://www.pcstats.com/article...?articleid=2107&page=1
(Sure... it starts losing a few benchmarks... after the manual overclock V stock.)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...5&model2=854&chart=318 (THG Charts still proving my point...)

Considering in almost all these reviews the only way for a 8600GTS to beat a stock X1950Pro is to overclock it However overclocking can work both ways; overclock the x1950 pro and it will once again be on top.

Can I stop now? Or is this still not proof enough for your mind?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused

Originally posted by: Azn
1950pro 8600gts are comparable. Get what suits you.

An X1950GT and an 8600GTS are comparable. An X1950 Pro is better than an 8600GTS, not comparable to. Don't put that bastard child Nvidia card in the same basket with the superrior ATI card -_-

I was going to get a Ferarri but I settled for a Fiero because the names were comparable . . . .

Hell, looking at benches, even the X1950GT is marginally faster than the 8600GTS. The X1950Pro is a *LOT* faster than the 8600GTS, and the X1950XT (if you can find one used) makes the 8600GTS look like an S3 ViRGE.

What benches? Tom's 6 month old driver tests?

Who cares, the 8600GTS was slow then, and it's still slow.

WTF? I gave you links. What proof do you provide? NOTHING!!! except your fanboish remarks.

X1950 Pro wins. End of Story?

Want Reviews? Fine.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=1
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/ (Please note this is a factory overlcocked 8600GTS)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/ar...php?id=2237&cid=3&pg=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...eforce_8600/index.html (As much as you seem to hate THG it still there)
http://www.pcstats.com/article...?articleid=2107&page=1
(Sure... it starts losing a few benchmarks... after the manual overclock V stock.)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Considering in almost all these reviews the only way for a 8600GTS to beat a stock X1950Pro is to overclock it However overclocking can work both ways; overclock the x1950 pro and it will once again be on top.

Can I stop now? Or is this still not proof enough for your mind?

FROM HARDOCP:
Quite surprising the results aren?t they? We found both GeForce 8600 GTS GPU based video cards to provide noticeably higher performance and image quality in every game compared to the ATI Radeon X1950 Pro. In Oblivion we were able to run at a higher resolution with full shadows enabled. With the XFX GeForce 8600 GTS XXX Edition we were even able to turn on full grass. With S.T.A.L.K.E.R. we had an option, either keep the resolution low and play with Object Dynamic Lighting or raise the resolution and use Static Lighting. We found that overall Object Dynamic Lighting makes the game look much better and preferred playing at 1024x768 to use it. With full lighting, shadows and view distances the game was very enjoyable at 1024x768.

In Flight Simulator X we saw a very large difference in gameplay between the Radeon X1950 Pro and both GeForce 8600 GTS GPU based video cards. With the Radeon X1950 Pro we found 1280x1024 playable with 2X AA. When we installed the BFGTech GeForce 8600 GTS OC however we were surprised to find that we could play easily at 1600x1200 with 4X AA! Even better, the XFX GeForce 8600 GTS XXX Edition was playable at 1600x1200 with 16X AA and both video cards still produced faster framerates than the Radeon X1950 Pro.

:shocked:

LOL. The anandtech preview shows 8600gts is getting similar fps compared 1950pro.

Try turning off AA when memory bandwidth isn't starved and you will notice 8600gts strengths.

That's why I like this review here.... http://www.digit-life.com/arti...video/g84-3-page4.html

It has both AA and AA disabled for your pleasure. Not the same old 4xAA, 16xAF where Radeon has the edge. Are these cards even playable at these settings for current crop of games? Of course not but hey some ignorant reviewer is not going to tell you that except maybe Hardocp.

Do you even have this card or a 1950pro and compared them?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused

Originally posted by: Azn
1950pro 8600gts are comparable. Get what suits you.

An X1950GT and an 8600GTS are comparable. An X1950 Pro is better than an 8600GTS, not comparable to. Don't put that bastard child Nvidia card in the same basket with the superrior ATI card -_-

I was going to get a Ferarri but I settled for a Fiero because the names were comparable . . . .

Hell, looking at benches, even the X1950GT is marginally faster than the 8600GTS. The X1950Pro is a *LOT* faster than the 8600GTS, and the X1950XT (if you can find one used) makes the 8600GTS look like an S3 ViRGE.

What benches? Tom's 6 month old driver tests?

Who cares, the 8600GTS was slow then, and it's still slow.

WTF? I gave you links. What proof do you provide? NOTHING!!! except your fanboish remarks.

X1950 Pro wins. End of Story?

Want Reviews? Fine.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=1
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/ (Please note this is a factory overlcocked 8600GTS)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/ar...php?id=2237&cid=3&pg=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...eforce_8600/index.html (As much as you seem to hate THG it still there)
http://www.pcstats.com/article...?articleid=2107&page=1
(Sure... it starts losing a few benchmarks... after the manual overclock V stock.)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Considering in almost all these reviews the only way for a 8600GTS to beat a stock X1950Pro is to overclock it However overclocking can work both ways; overclock the x1950 pro and it will once again be on top.

Can I stop now? Or is this still not proof enough for your mind?

LOL. The anandtech preview shows 8600gts is getting similar fps compared 1950pro.

Try turning off AA when memory bandwidth isn't starved and you will notice 8600gts strengths.

Do you even have this card or a 1950pro and compared them?

Similiar != Perform Better.

As you kept saying.

No I don't own the card.

Wow you mean I have to turn off a feature to perform better than a card that is using it? God damn man give it a rest.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused

Originally posted by: Azn
1950pro 8600gts are comparable. Get what suits you.

An X1950GT and an 8600GTS are comparable. An X1950 Pro is better than an 8600GTS, not comparable to. Don't put that bastard child Nvidia card in the same basket with the superrior ATI card -_-

I was going to get a Ferarri but I settled for a Fiero because the names were comparable . . . .

Hell, looking at benches, even the X1950GT is marginally faster than the 8600GTS. The X1950Pro is a *LOT* faster than the 8600GTS, and the X1950XT (if you can find one used) makes the 8600GTS look like an S3 ViRGE.

What benches? Tom's 6 month old driver tests?

Who cares, the 8600GTS was slow then, and it's still slow.

WTF? I gave you links. What proof do you provide? NOTHING!!! except your fanboish remarks.

X1950 Pro wins. End of Story?

Want Reviews? Fine.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=1
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/ (Please note this is a factory overlcocked 8600GTS)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/ar...php?id=2237&cid=3&pg=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...eforce_8600/index.html (As much as you seem to hate THG it still there)
http://www.pcstats.com/article...?articleid=2107&page=1
(Sure... it starts losing a few benchmarks... after the manual overclock V stock.)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Considering in almost all these reviews the only way for a 8600GTS to beat a stock X1950Pro is to overclock it However overclocking can work both ways; overclock the x1950 pro and it will once again be on top.

Can I stop now? Or is this still not proof enough for your mind?

LOL. The anandtech preview shows 8600gts is getting similar fps compared 1950pro.

Try turning off AA when memory bandwidth isn't starved and you will notice 8600gts strengths.

Do you even have this card or a 1950pro and compared them?

Similiar != Perform Better.

As you kept saying.

No I don't own the card.

Wow you mean I have to turn off a feature to perform better than a card that is using it? God damn man give it a rest.

Hey this is coming from experience from all perspective, not to mention I have owned both. Look at my edited message above.

Fact is 1950pro or 8600gts doesn't have enough power to play with AA except some 2 year old First person shooters. Even than games like BF2 I can add 8x CSAA which is far superior to Radeon's 4xAA. At 6x AA it's not powerful enough to run at that setting.

 

[Arkaign]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102034

$114.99, and overclocks beyond X1950Pro speeds. Can't think of any sane reason to spend more for a slower card (8600GTS). Only thing to buy beyond this is used 7900GTX/X1950XT, or the real thing : 8800GTS/GTX/Ultra.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I've never seen a marathon pissing contest before 😵 , you guys must drink lots of water.

AZN, you are an Nvidia fanboy if you think the 8600GTS is a better deal for the money. The 8600GTS does indeed offer better immage quality than the X1950 Pro at lower resolutions, it even has a newer feature set. But you don't buy a DX10 card at the birth of DX10 to play DX10 games, you buy it to play DX9 games. Just like at the birth of DX9 cards they were primarily wow'd at for thier insane speed in DX8 gaming . And I hate to tell you, as much as you don't want to open your eyes and see the truth. The X1950 Pro beats the 8600GTS in DX9 gaming for the money. Even the X1950GT is a better buy considering they can be had for a hair over $100 and they OC very well.

Just because Nvidia's last 2 mid range kings were insane performers doesn't mean the 8600GTS is, because it's not. IF Nvidia would have kept to the orriginal plan for 256bit mem on the 8600GTS @ the same price point, the X1950Pro would have had no chance in competetions like this, but they didn't.

Oh, if you go over to the FS forum you can pick up a 512mb X1800XT and flash it to an X1800XT PE then it will own an X1900XT 🙂

 

[AzN]

Just to get something out of the way Arkaign left me a PM as utube850 telling me "Get a fucking Clue"... Actually I do have a clue... LOL

No I see all aspects of video card reviews while you only read 4x AA numbers.

Fanboy? I never liked Geforce 7 series because of inferior image quality and slower shaders. 😀 That is why I owned 1950pro before 8600gts.

At raw performance 8600gts is up there with 1950pro. Only when you add AA that's where 1950pro shines because 1950pro's 25% memory bandwidth advantage. But in heavy shader situations or texture demanding games 8600gts has the edge.

All I said was that they're comparable. It's all about the experience anyways not about 4fps faster at this setting and that setting. I know 8600gts is not for dx10. I think I already knew that. 😀 However it still makes a great dx9 card with better AF, better colors saturation, better AA algorithms, lower power consumptions, better HDCP functions.

CSAA is a wonderful feature. You can add 8xAA to the mix at the cost of 4xAA which reviewers never seem to take note.