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Best all-in-one Printer/Scanner/Copier?

plagiarist

Senior member
I want to get something for my mom that prints really well including photos, scans well, and does good photocopies without being crappy when it comes to ink/toner refills and cleaning. What's the best? Cheapest isn't the issue here- I'm looking for quality without being exorbitantly expensive. As long as it's under say 400 dollars we're ok.

I've been looking for reviews, for example on Amazon you see this one person rating all the HP MFCs as 'excellent' as if that person had bought each and every one, very fishy.

Some categories I'm interested in:

Quality of print
Quality of scans
Quality of copies
Ease of use
Reliability
Ink burn rate
Compactness
 
Your post title isn't a model of clarity - who the heck knows what MFC means out of context??? It should probably be MFD. And calling those you're asking for help 'mofos' doesn't help either...

Anyhoo, when your're talking inkjet printing, you're talking Canon and that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned (TCO (total cost of ownership) being primary). Just get the multi-function unit that uses the same ink tanks as the Pixma ip4000 (BCI-3e Black/ BCI-6 for CMY etc.) or up and you'll be good to go - I guess that would be the MP-750 or up depending on the features you need. The lower ones use tanks that are too small and need changing too often.
. If you're looking at laser (which is called for under some circumstances), then you'll need someone else's help as I have no experience there beyond the ancient b/w types.

. bh.
 
Eh, I don't really think of people as being mofos, it's just a general term for people. I'll make sure to tone down in the future.

that prints really well including photos, scans well, and does good photocopies

Thought I was being clear, MFC = multi function copier.

If inkjet is economical, that sounds like a good bet, unless there's something good in laser. I'll look into your suggestion immediately, thanks.
 
All the title says is: What's the best MFC? That's supposed to be the hook that reels them in. Not much hook there...

.bh.
 
Economical is a relative term.

If you know you'll be printing out thousands of pages each month I would recommend a laserjet.

In my humble opinion nothing can beat HP in this arena. I'd suggest something out of their 3300 series. You can spend anywhere from $299 to $699 depending on the capabilities.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp..._usage=4Black%20and%20white&aoid=22679

Forget the expensive one down on the bottom of the page.
You would know if you needed that. 😉
 
I don't know about thousands a month. More like a few hundred or so, if that, along with *decent* photos and good copies, and scans.

Only local Canon I could find is a MP780, as far as I recall from looking online that's the 750 with a fax machine and a hundred bucks price increase, although it was 250 at staples. Puke at salestax + staples inflated price, I'll find something online.
 
Dont get a brother, like I did. I print maybe 5 sheets a month. After a year, just after warranty expired, the print head died. Its in the trash. Try HP!
 
When i was looking to buy the same unit i decided against HP due to the high price of ink cartridges. Shorty may be right in looking at a laseerjet, even at a few hundred a month you'll will be spending more on ink., Than initial investment. Another consideration is why the MFC, if one unit is gone the whole unit is down. Maybe do some comparison shop & price seperate units.
 
I feel very sorry for you, lately. You've just gotten a bunch of complaints and dumb answers.

Here's something direct -

1. Get an HP OfficeJET - 2003-2005 build, don't forget that the PRO versions are nicer

2. Or get a Lexmark, the ones they sell for under a hundred bucks, those are very nice, I've seen several friends with 'em, they serve their purpose.

3. If you check the Dell website, they offer the best ones for a reasonable price.
 
Get her a HP PSC 2610. Some of these people in the thread are suggesting laser printers, monochrome at that. Can't do photos with a monoschrome laser.

PSC 2610 hands down for you mom!!

HP owns the multifunction market.
 
Based on the criteria you mention in your first post, I would suggest one of these two: a Canon Pixma MP-780 or an HP Office Jet 7310. You might also check out Epson's line, although I think they come up a bit short in some areas compared to HP and Canon (but it depends on your priorities).

A few thoughts/considerations:

The Canon will likely give you the best image quality, as its ink droplets are only 2 picoliters in size. AFAIK, this is unmatched in the ink jet world, and the only printers I know of that do drops smaller than that are Canon's dedicated photo printers (a couple of which do drops of 1 picoliter). With photos, you are likely to get the best image from a Canon Pixma. With text and general things like printing Web pages, the difference will probably not be noticeable between the Canon and the HP 7310.

If your mom ever needs to copy anything larger than an 8 1/2 x 11"-size original, she'll be out of luck with anything other than the HP 7310 (or HP's models above it). One thing I don't like about the Canon and Epson all-in-one machines is that the glass is only 8 1/2 x 11" in size. So if she ever wants to copy a long document -- say, a long newspaper clipping or a legal document/contract or something -- she'll need the larger glass on the HP models (they have glass that allows 8 1/2 x 14", or "legal-size," copying). Why Canon and Epson both do this is beyond me -- when I called them recently and asked the wisdom behind this less-than-brilliant product design, all I got was snippy remarks. :roll:

The ink is much cheaper with the Canon Pixmas, and they have individual color ink tanks. This is very cool because you don't have to throw away, say, perfectly usable blue and yellow ink just because the cartridge runs out of red ink. With the HP models, you waste color ink because when one color runs out, you have to replace the whole tri-color cartridge.

The other side of the coin, however, is that the print heads on the HP 7310, for example, are part of the ink cartridge. So you pay more for the cartridge (about double), but you're getting an entirely new print head each time you replace the cartridge. This can be nice because now you don't have to worry about replacing a worn-out print head three years down the line. Nor should you have to worry about cleaning clogged print heads like you may with a Canon, Epson, or Lexmark or something. But the Canon heads can be cleaned, and as long as your mom prints at least a few pages a week, clogged heads shouldn't be much of a problem. I believe the Canon ink cartridges can be had for around $12 or so at Costco, and that's simply phenomenal. The HP inks for the 7310 are around $25ish, and I think the tri-color tank is a bit more ($30 or $35ish, if I'm not mistaken) at the usual office supply stores like Office Depot, Staples, et al.

HP's tech support is in India, and Canon's is in southeast Virginia. Score a point for Canon here. Just FYI, in case that matters to you or your mom.

Canon's all-in-ones are made in China, and HP's are made in Malaysia. Score points for neither here. :disgust: Both, like most consumer electronics these days, have typically pathetic 1-year warranties. HP does, however, offer a nice direct exchange policy. I won't go into a long explanation of it here, but it's nice. AFAIK, Canon does not offer a comparable policy (but I haven't checked on that lately, so maybe they do now -- I don't know.)

BTW, these kinds of machines are typically called AIOs, or "all-in-one" machines, rather than "MFCs."

The HP "Vivera" inks might last longer than Canon's inks. This is a long subject that I won't go into here, but you might wanna research it a bit. I called Canon recently to get expected yields (in years) on their inks, and got somewhat vague answers. This did not impress me; however, ink fade is not likely to be much of a problem unless the printed documents are sitting out in the sun for a long time or something. HP claims their Vivera inks will last for decades as long as they're not exposed to direct sunlight, and Epson has "Dura-Brite" inks with comparable claims. If your mom will print photos or other docs that she wants to last a long time, you'll need to consider this.

Scan quality should be comparable between the HP and Canon machines. Both should be fine for anything but pro-level scanning needs.

I would stay away from Brother and Lexmark if it were me. In my humble opinion, both are also-rans in this arena. Their build quality and feel seem flimsier, to me, than HP and Canon machines, and neither brand does well, on a consistent basis, in the test reports I read (and I read a lot of test reports). This is just my opinion, but it's based on quite a bit of research. I have yet to see a Brother or Lexmark model that couldn't be beat by a comparably priced HP, Canon, or even an Epson AIO.

If you're inclined to go with an HP 7310 and can get to an Office Depot by tomorrow, Office Depot is offering 20% off on all HP printers over $150 thru Saturday. So an HP 7310 will cost $400, less $80, for a total of $320 plus tax. That's a nice deal, and you're not likely to see a better one anytime soon. And unless your mom does a ton of printing/copying, the extra cost of HP ink cartridges(compared to Canon) shouldn't be too big a deal. Heck, my mom goes thru maybe one set of ink cartridges a year for her little Epson color printer, and if your mom has similar usage needs, you're lookin' at maybe $50 a year for ink with the HP. (And you're getting new print heads each time you replace the cartridges.) OTOH, HP ink will get expensive fast if she's running thousands of pages a year. 🙁

Canon MP780 machines (their best AIO) can often be found for $200ish after $50 rebates from the likes of Fry's and other stores. I see 'em all the time in the newspaper. List on that model is $249, so it's obviously cheaper than the HP 7310.

Hope this info is helpful to you, mofo (just kidding). 😉

Ken
 
One particularly annoying thing about the Canon MP-780 (and I think some of the other Pixma AIOs as well) is that it comes with fax drivers, but it's not a stand-alone fax machine. So, as I understand it, you can fax documents out thru it, but you have to 'send' the document via your computer to the machine. Well, this is useless unless you're faxing a document you have in a computer file (like in Word or whatever). Apparently you can't just walk up to the machine, put a fax in the feeder, and send it. Canon doesn't do much to explain this in their marketing, and I consider this to be rather duplicitous. I wonder how many people buy these things and then return them when they find out they're not really a stand-alone fax machine? Hopefully the next generation of Pixma AIOs will address this problem. Depending on whether or not your mom needs the machine do stand-alone faxing, you'll need to consider this with the Canon AIOs.

I find this very hard to believe. First of all, I'm a salesman at one of the typical retail stores and I've sold many MP780s - particularly to customers looking for a multifunction AIO that can fax without the need of a computer. I've gotten no returns AND I went on Canon's website to look up some Technical Support/Troubleshooting documentation on the faxing aspect of the machine. Nowhere does it state in their walkthroughs that you have to go through the computer. I even looked through the online product manual. In other words, the MP780 supports both stand-alone faxing AND PC Faxing (which is what Ken90630 was describing.

To my knowledge, any computer that has a basic modem is ready for PC Faxing. Even 3-in-1 units (Printer/Copier/Scanner) support PC Faxing because its scanning capabilities allows you to send your image or document into the computer and then faxed to the destination.

I also stumbled upon a few user-based reviews on various websites. I found a few people complaining about the lack of a Fax/Telephone Automatic Switch for receiving faxes. Well, it does exist and I quote from Canon's website:

FAX
Modem Speed
33.6 Kbps***

Transmission Speed (approx.)
Black: approx. 3 sec/page (Based on ITU-T Chart #1, standard mode.); Color: approx. 1 min/page (Based on Canon Color Fax Test Sheet.)

Transmission Reception Memory
250 pages (Based on ITU-T Chart #1, standard mode.)

Fax Resolution
Black: 203 x 196 dpi (fine mode); Color: 200 x 200 dpi

Dialing
8 One-Touch Dials, 100 Coded Dials

Receive Options
Fax only, Fax/Tel Auto Switch, Manual, Answering, DRPD
 
Originally posted by: Comp625
One particularly annoying thing about the Canon MP-780 (and I think some of the other Pixma AIOs as well) is that it comes with fax drivers, but it's not a stand-alone fax machine. So, as I understand it, you can fax documents out thru it, but you have to 'send' the document via your computer to the machine. Well, this is useless unless you're faxing a document you have in a computer file (like in Word or whatever). Apparently you can't just walk up to the machine, put a fax in the feeder, and send it. Canon doesn't do much to explain this in their marketing, and I consider this to be rather duplicitous. I wonder how many people buy these things and then return them when they find out they're not really a stand-alone fax machine? Hopefully the next generation of Pixma AIOs will address this problem. Depending on whether or not your mom needs the machine do stand-alone faxing, you'll need to consider this with the Canon AIOs.

I find this very hard to believe. First of all, I'm a salesman at one of the typical retail stores and I've sold many MP780s - particularly to customers looking for a multifunction AIO that can fax without the need of a computer. I've gotten no returns AND I went on Canon's website to look up some Technical Support/Troubleshooting documentation on the faxing aspect of the machine. Nowhere does it state in their walkthroughs that you have to go through the computer. I even looked through the online product manual. In other words, the MP780 supports both stand-alone faxing AND PC Faxing (which is what Ken90630 was describing.

To my knowledge, any computer that has a basic modem is ready for PC Faxing. Even 3-in-1 units (Printer/Copier/Scanner) support PC Faxing because its scanning capabilities allows you to send your image or document into the computer and then faxed to the destination.

I also stumbled upon a few user-based reviews on various websites. I found a few people complaining about the lack of a Fax/Telephone Automatic Switch for receiving faxes. Well, it does exist and I quote from Canon's website:

FAX
Modem Speed
33.6 Kbps***

Transmission Speed (approx.)
Black: approx. 3 sec/page (Based on ITU-T Chart #1, standard mode.); Color: approx. 1 min/page (Based on Canon Color Fax Test Sheet.)

Transmission Reception Memory
250 pages (Based on ITU-T Chart #1, standard mode.)

Fax Resolution
Black: 203 x 196 dpi (fine mode); Color: 200 x 200 dpi

Dialing
8 One-Touch Dials, 100 Coded Dials

Receive Options
Fax only, Fax/Tel Auto Switch, Manual, Answering, DRPD

I may be mistaken on this and Comp625 may be right. For what it's worth, I specifically remember reading this somewhere in a review of the MP-780, and it seemed so odd to me that I went to the trouble to look into it. Naturally, that was months ago and now I don't remember where I got the info .... ("Yeah, sure, Ken.") 😱

Anywho, I don't have time to look for it tonight, but when I get time I'll see if I can find where I read about that. If/when I find it, I'll post the reference here. In the meantime, I checked out Canon's site a bit and read up on the MP-780 a little more. It appears that Comp625 is right and it does do stand-alone faxing. I know there's something odd about it though ... I just don't remember what it is.

I'm gonna assume I was mistaken here, and I offer my humblest apology. 😱 And I have edited my original post as well. If I find that aforementioned review/info that steered me wrong, I'll post it here in an attempt to regain whatever is left of my credibility. Heh heh.
 
I own a MP780 for about 2mo and love it...pics are as if not better than my S820 6 color canon printer and faster

scans are very nice..copies are great....has ADF too...but no lcd screen or memory card reader


Canon has an instant exchange program...not sure of all the details...

The text black is good but my old HP 930c does give a blacker black
 
Aha! In case anyone cares [I know -- prolly not :laugh: ], I found that info that steered me wrong re the Canon MP-780's fax capabilities.

In the June 7, 2005, issue of PC Magazine, on page 62 there is a chart called "Our Top Printers." Under the "Personal and Photo AIOs" section, it lists the MP-780. Under the "Cons" section, it states (verbatim):

"Fax driver but no dedicated fax utility, so you need to send a document from within the program you created it in."

Hence me typing what I did last week about this machine. I'm gonna send an e-mail to PC Mag and see what they have to say about this, as I don't think it's correct -- particularly since in the next column, "Bottom Line," it states, "The MP780 packs a printer, scanner, standalone fax, and a copier...." [I, uh, obviously didn't read that column before. 😱 ] Sounds kinda contradictory to me, so either they goofed or I'm just not grasping what they're trying to say [which I freely admit is a possibility! 😀 ].

Anywho ... just offering a little clarification behind that portion of my previous post. The futher info I've read on this machine since last week has confirmed that the MP-780 is in fact a standalone fax machine (in addition to its other capabilities).

Edited to fix a typo.
 
I got the Canon MP-760, the "photo" version...has many card readers and templates to scan slides/negatives....and the printing on cd's can be enabled....I love it, after only using HP's in the past....got it at Compusa during their big deal on 7/1
 
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