Best AGP vid card

[sswingle]

I currently have an X800 Pro. Are there any AGP cards worth upgrading to?

 

[dguy6789]

From an X800 Pro, I would say no AGP card will provide enough of a boost to be worth the price premium that you would have to pay. The Geforce 7800GS over clocked models are the fastest AGP cards, with the Radeon X850XTPE coming in second, and the stock 7800GS models coming in third.

Not one of these cards provides enough of a performance improvement to warrant an upgrade in my opinion. I suggest that if you desire more graphics performance, that you upgrade to a PCI express platform.

 

[Ulfhednar]

X1950 Pro.

/thread

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
X1950 Pro.

/thread

 

[Skott]

Yeah, looks like the 1950Pro AGP is the next biggie for ATI fans. Make sure your psu can deliver.

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: Skott
Yeah, looks like the 1950Pro AGP is the next biggie for ATI fans. Make sure your psu can deliver.

Deliver us from evil (Nvidia!)

I'm not bashing or anything, just making fun of the quote.

 

[imported_goku]

The X1950pro should be coming out soon for AGP. I bought the gainward 7800GS+ and I'm a little sad since I've yet to install it due to my RMA board and new memory issues I've been having. Now that I hear about the new ati card for agp, it makes me sad.

 

[fire400]

top of the line are the x850XT PE and the 7800GS cards, both are about the same in performance, but the X850 AT has confirmed is the fastest thus far, up to this point.

the other guy is right, there is not really a card above the x800 that is worth upgrading to. I mean, the x800 was top of the line for the Radeon series back in 2004, you're looking at spending more money on something that will get you the same resolution with a few more textures running from low to medium in modern games? a few more frames per second...? that's about it, don't hope for too much faster, the x800 is a good card, 256-bit memory interface with GDDR-3 memory.

save up for a PCI-e card, spend the extra money on the setup. AGP is a dead end solution if you're playing games with it right now, as far as video goes. The power requirements are already too absurd for highend AGP cards, the power draw is far greater than what PCI-e cards can deliver at the same performance.

You can wait for ATI's release of it's next latest AGP card, otherwise the X850XT PE or the 7800GS will do. I still recommend PCI-e for video if you're looking to play more modern games with your graphics card.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: fire400
top of the line are the x850XT PE and the 7800GS cards, both are about the same in performance, but the X850 AT has confirmed is the fastest thus far, up to this point.

The 7800GS+ smacks the snot out of the X850XTPE, what are you on about?

Originally posted by: fire400
the other guy is right, there is not really a card above the x800 that is worth upgrading to.

Er, except the 7800GS+ and X1950Pro.

 

[Canterwood]

Ati X1950 Pro for AGP is out in November.

In the UK its significantly cheaper than the 7800GS+ and should be faster too.

 

[Skott]

I dont know about the regular 7800GS but the only game that the x850XT/PE beats out the eVGA 7800GS CO Superclock is FEAR. The rest they tied or the 7800GS CO Superclock beats out the x850XT/PE. Not sure how it is now but when the 7800GS came out the x850XT/PE cards were very hard to find. Not many companies were making them anymore. So the 7800s were easy to get compared to the x850XT/PE. That was another reason to get the 7800GS. If it came down to reccomending the x850XT/PE or the 7800GS CO Superclock then I'd definetly would say the 7800GS CO Superclock.

 

[Captante]

All the benchmarks I've seen show the 7800GS being only a little bit faster then a standard X850XT in the majority of games (& a little bit slower in a few as well)..the PE edition is just a factory oc'ed XT so it will be a hair faster still, however keep in mind that the X850's are able to keep pace while not supporting as advanced 3d features & image quality.

I do however agree that no current AGP card offers enough of a performance boost to be worth replacing your X800 Pro... your best bet would be to save your money for a couple months & upgrade to PCIe and a better GPU at the same time.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Why do people keep saying there's no AGP card worth buying? The X1950Pro is ideal for people looking for a high-powered solution without spending a fortune. I don't know how much the X1950Pro AGP is going to sell for in the states, but it's looking quite reasonable here in the UK.

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Why do people keep saying there's no AGP card worth buying? The X1950Pro is ideal for people looking for a high-powered solution without spending a fortune. I don't know how much the X1950Pro AGP is going to sell for in the states, but it's looking quite reasonable here in the UK.

Indeeed. 'tis a no brainer to prolong the gaming life of otherwise adequate systems for little premium versus a PCIe model. In the past, some folks actually recommended side-grading to PCIe but if not then it is certainly now crazy talk. As mentioned previous, such a good card will allow many to now hold off a major system ugprade 'till PCIe 2.0 and thus leapfrog 1.0a altogether.

As for the X850XT and 7800GS (+ or not), I would say they have been rendered "quaint". Really, for the performance and features at current prices (even used), it is difficult to recommend anything other than the 7600GT and X1950Pro as the top two options and even the former may be difficult to justify as a second best depending upon how the price difference shakes out.

On a related note, I read on a French site that the X1650XT has not measured up to expectations as a 7600GT killer and may not be promoted so aggressively which would be a bit dissapointing if it does not at least force more competitive AGP pricing.

 

[dguy6789]

Was not aware of the existence of an X1950 Pro in AGP. I would recommend that in an instant as long as the price is reasonable.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Yep Powercolor is 1 of the companies that will release the 1950Pro in AGP I donno about any other companies if they will or not

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
X1950 Pro.

/thread

 

[postmortemIA]

X1950 teaser

L'ink

 

[Dr J]

And, another:

http://www.diamondmm.com/X1950PRO.php

John

 

[mobutu]

X1950Pro AGP is (actually will be soon) the fastest AGP solution. Period.
And it will be cheaper than 7800GS, not to mention 850pe/xt/whatever which is insanely expensive. So RIP 7800GS & 850PE/XT, it was time for both of you to get away.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Dr J
And, another:

http://www.diamondmm.com/X1950PRO.php

John

did you notice that it is slower than the Powercolor x1900p?

http://www.powercolor.com/global/main_product_detail.asp?id=137
Core Speed 600 MHz
Memory Speed 700 MHz x 2

diamond's is:
Core Clock Speed: 575 MHz
Memory Speed: 1.38 GHz

i think i want the faster one



how much faster is this gonna be than my x850xt?

~30-40%?

 

[Dr J]

You mean slower than the Powercolor X1950Pro; don't you?

It will all depend on price as I'm not that fussy, on the one hand and the slower will likely be overclockable, on the other.

I don't know how much faster it will be than an X850XT, but this might provide some idea:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=59&card2=471

I've waited this long (months) and I'm willing to wait a little longer, until these new cards settle into the market. This way, we'll have a better idea of what it is we're buying into, hopefully. I'm sure that, in time, the reviews will be plentiful.

John

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Dr J
You mean slower than the Powercolor X1950Pro; don't you?

It will all depend on price as I'm not that fussy, on the one hand and the slower will likely be overclockable, on the other.

I don't know how much faster it will be than an X850XT, but this might provide some idea:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=59&card2=471

I've waited this long (months) and I'm willing to wait a little longer, until these new cards settle into the market. This way, we'll have a better idea of what it is we're buying into, hopefully. I'm sure that, in time, the reviews will be plentiful.

John

yep

i have an eye and memory for that kind of detail . . . [forget everything else ] . . . i remembered 600hz for PC's core clock.

that link doesn't help very much . . . the closest i can find is by 'inference' and at THG:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/...elx=33&model1=549&model2=574&chart=198

they give a few direct comparisons . . . i'd say at least 1/3rd faster with more usable features . . . if it's ~$250-$100 [for my x850xt] it should be a fair upgrade.

that and +512mb more system RAM . . . 1.5GB total . . . and my system should make it just over 3 years without needing a major upgrade --except 2 videocards.

barely

i got my money's worth
:thumbsup:

edit: i mean it will be 3 years total between major builds

 

[postmortemIA]

Yeah - I have same Mobo (IC7) and 1.5GB RAm, it was good investment. I'm not heavy gamer, I don't need SLI, just one decent card. I think those cards are gonna go sell very well.

 

[t73]

well appopin, this is the last stamp we needed to assure the 1.5G DC :laugh:

Thanks for that info postmortemIA :thumbsup:


Edit: Was there published a release day for the AGP Ver. or are we still talking end of NOV?