I've had the KDS AV7TF (which has the Trinitron tube) for a ccouple of weeks on loan from a local computer shop, and I just bought a Viewsoinic EF70 17'' flat screen (based on the Diamondtron tube). After comparing both, I have to admit that the Viewsonic had more vivid colors! As far as text sharpness goes, both are on par. I really find the colors to have more depth on the Viewsonic. The KDS gave me the impression that it had crisper colors, but after staring at both monitors (the same image) for a long time, I concluded that the Viewsonic was the clear winner. And no, I am not biased because I have a Viewsonic. I would have returned it if the KDS had the upper hand!
Vote for Samsung NF series. no matter 17" or 19". It is the best value to buy. I got mine at $370 CAD after rebate..
LXi- you are very worthy of the title of Golden Member
How do you rate the 700ift? Samsung's website says the ift can do a much higher resolution and better refresh rates I believe. The only other difference I see between the two is aperture grille and shadow mask. Another thing, with a dot pitch of .20 equalling .24 in AG terms, the 700 ift is very appealing. Also, the 700ift is cheaper. Is there a reason for this price difference. THe only thing I can think of is that shadow mask monitors are cheaper to make. Am I right?
How do you rate the 700ift? Samsung's website says the ift can do a much higher resolution and better refresh rates I believe. The only other difference I see between the two is aperture grille and shadow mask. Another thing, with a dot pitch of .20 equalling .24 in AG terms, the 700 ift is very appealing. Also, the 700ift is cheaper. Is there a reason for this price difference. THe only thing I can think of is that shadow mask monitors are cheaper to make. Am I right?
<<How do you rate the 700ift?>>
I consider it one of the best 17" shadow mask monitors in the market right now.
<<Samsung's website says the ift can do a much higher resolution and better refresh rates I believe.>>
Higher res but not higher refresh rate. Both 700IFT and 700NF does an optimal of 1280x1024@85Hz, they both can also do 1600x1200@75Hz, but the IFT can go as high as 1920x1440@64Hz. I think the NF is also capable of doing 1920x1440, but you'll probably need a software like PowerStrip to force it.
<<The only other difference I see between the two is aperture grille and shadow mask.>>
Between the 700IFT, and 700NF, thats correct.
<<Another thing, with a dot pitch of .20 equalling .24 in AG terms, the 700 ift is very appealing.>>
Actually, 0.20mm horizontal dot pitch equalling 0.24mm diagonal dot pitch(diagonal is what really counts, but not associated with AGs), the AG's pitch, called grille pitch or stripe pitch, have a different set of standards. Right now all the AGs are below 0.25mm, with the Sony F series going as low as 0.22mm(mad expensive). Its very hard to compare the two different pitch standards, the shadow masks(all call dot pitch) use to be as high as 0.30mm and 0.28mm digonal, so 0.25 and 0.24 of today sounds very scary. As for AGs, they're all very decent because none of the are above 0.25mm.
<<Also, the 700ift is cheaper. Is there a reason for this price difference. THe only thing I can think of is that shadow mask monitors are cheaper to make. Am I right?>>
One of the reason is that Samsung produce the DynaFlat IFT tubes themselves, but buy the NF tubes from Mitsubishi. So I guess there is some kind of loyal fee there that makes the NF more expensive. And yes, shadow masks are relatively cheaper to produce because the AGs are originally invented by Sony, as you know anything Sony is expensive.
I consider it one of the best 17" shadow mask monitors in the market right now.
<<Samsung's website says the ift can do a much higher resolution and better refresh rates I believe.>>
Higher res but not higher refresh rate. Both 700IFT and 700NF does an optimal of 1280x1024@85Hz, they both can also do 1600x1200@75Hz, but the IFT can go as high as 1920x1440@64Hz. I think the NF is also capable of doing 1920x1440, but you'll probably need a software like PowerStrip to force it.
<<The only other difference I see between the two is aperture grille and shadow mask.>>
Between the 700IFT, and 700NF, thats correct.
<<Another thing, with a dot pitch of .20 equalling .24 in AG terms, the 700 ift is very appealing.>>
Actually, 0.20mm horizontal dot pitch equalling 0.24mm diagonal dot pitch(diagonal is what really counts, but not associated with AGs), the AG's pitch, called grille pitch or stripe pitch, have a different set of standards. Right now all the AGs are below 0.25mm, with the Sony F series going as low as 0.22mm(mad expensive). Its very hard to compare the two different pitch standards, the shadow masks(all call dot pitch) use to be as high as 0.30mm and 0.28mm digonal, so 0.25 and 0.24 of today sounds very scary. As for AGs, they're all very decent because none of the are above 0.25mm.
<<Also, the 700ift is cheaper. Is there a reason for this price difference. THe only thing I can think of is that shadow mask monitors are cheaper to make. Am I right?>>
One of the reason is that Samsung produce the DynaFlat IFT tubes themselves, but buy the NF tubes from Mitsubishi. So I guess there is some kind of loyal fee there that makes the NF more expensive. And yes, shadow masks are relatively cheaper to produce because the AGs are originally invented by Sony, as you know anything Sony is expensive.
Seeing them side by side doesnt tell much. Its again, like comparing oranges to apples. Some guy who hates those lines will tell you they're more comfortable with the IFT, others who like AG will tell you the opposite.
I personally don't care about the lines since I can only see them when the screen is a light color. But when it comes down to my liking, I prefer the lower prices and since the 700ift can do higher resolutions I am leaning much towards the ift.
But I have seen some people post around here on the forums that the shadow masks are a little bad with games compared to the AG monitors. They said something about how they are not as bright or something.
But I have seen some people post around here on the forums that the shadow masks are a little bad with games compared to the AG monitors. They said something about how they are not as bright or something.
LXi,
If I go with Aperture Grille, which one is better? FD Trinitron or DiamondTron NF or still got other?
If I go with Aperture Grille, which one is better? FD Trinitron or DiamondTron NF or still got other?
FD Trinitron and DiamondTron NF are practically the same. The FD is probably a little bit better because of the slightly smaller stripe pitch, but other than that they're pretty much equal. The DiamondTron NFs are generally cheaper and have slightly higher specs. Personally I wouldnt mind getting either.
LXi,
Ok, if I go with 19" FD Trinitron, the best choose is Sony CPD-G400?
And how long does this model in the market?
Ok, if I go with 19" FD Trinitron, the best choose is Sony CPD-G400?
And how long does this model in the market?
Its been in the market for over a year now. The G400 is indeed one of the best, but its mad expensive. The Samsung 900NF, which has even higher specs than G400, cost approximately $150 less. The KDS AV-195TF, also uses Sony FD Trinitron, costs about $100 less.
Thats a flip of a coin. Both Korean companies, both great companies, but I'd take the Samsung. Its about $20 cheaper.
If this means anything...I have owned Samsung and Sony products in TVs and monitors for over 10 years, and you know what's nice about it??? The Samsung's have held up just as well as the Sonys, look just as good as the Sonys, and cost less than the Sonys, but I wouldn't trade either for any other product.
When I was looking for the particular item, I chose the one I liked and could afford. To me, those I own are the best because I chose them! The point is this, look at the specs and look at the monitors in person and judge FOR YOURSELF. If you like one better over the other, then choose that one! It doesn't matter whether the badge says SONY or SAMSUNG, you are getting a damn good product either way.
My two cents.
When I was looking for the particular item, I chose the one I liked and could afford. To me, those I own are the best because I chose them! The point is this, look at the specs and look at the monitors in person and judge FOR YOURSELF. If you like one better over the other, then choose that one! It doesn't matter whether the badge says SONY or SAMSUNG, you are getting a damn good product either way.
My two cents.
---------------------------Samsung 900NF ---------- Sony CPD-G400
H.scaning -------------- 30 - 100 khz -------- 30 - 107 khz
V.scaning -------------- 50 - 160 khz -------- 48 - 120 khz
AG pitch ----------------- 0.25 mm ------------- 0.24 - 0.25 mm
Factory S.Mode ------------- 8 ------------------- 25
User S.Mode ---------------- 10 ------------------ 15
Max Resolution ----- 1600x1200/76hz --- 1800x1400/70hz(1600x1200/85hz)
Who say Samsung 900NF is higher specs than Sony G400? Even 900NF has higher Horizontal and Vertical Scaning Frequency, but finally G400 can do higher Resolution and Refresh Rate.
H.scaning -------------- 30 - 100 khz -------- 30 - 107 khz
V.scaning -------------- 50 - 160 khz -------- 48 - 120 khz
AG pitch ----------------- 0.25 mm ------------- 0.24 - 0.25 mm
Factory S.Mode ------------- 8 ------------------- 25
User S.Mode ---------------- 10 ------------------ 15
Max Resolution ----- 1600x1200/76hz --- 1800x1400/70hz(1600x1200/85hz)
Who say Samsung 900NF is higher specs than Sony G400? Even 900NF has higher Horizontal and Vertical Scaning Frequency, but finally G400 can do higher Resolution and Refresh Rate.
It's interesting how Samsung themselves say that the max res of the 900 nf is 2048 x 1536 @ 69Hz.
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I've verified with 2 900NF owners that it can indeed run 2048x1536. So its res/refresh rate is a lot higher than G400's.
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