Hey guys I guess North Korea is a democratic people's republic! How do I know this? I took all the words in their name and put them together.
There's no problem with that, right?
There's no problem with that, right?
trenchfoot
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Given how the Repubs in Congress most often title their legislation in a way that's completely disingenuous and wholly contradictory to its intent, I think they wrote a letter to the North Koreans and suggested that they name their dictatorial family-run nation exactly the way it's called now.
Oh did it? That would be news to almost every economist that ever looked at the pre-war German economy.
Please, tell us some of the policies that the Nazi party put into place there were socialist that helped the economy?
BonzaiDuck
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I'm reminded of Godwin's law reading this thread.
The first thing people think of when they think of the Nazi's is Socialism!
That's because at certain levels of education, one is left with a propensity to believe whatever appears in print, or accept it at face value.
I think there is also this popular assumption that you cannot have effective propaganda -- or disrupting and confusing propaganda -- in a pluralistic media. In fact, after the Nazis were defeated, America imported Goebbels' psychologists and sociologists just as they had brought Werner von Braun.
They were salted away in various US universities, where they published papers in "Public Opinion Quarterly" while working on top secret projects with grants from CIA. The paradigm thus established gradually filtered out into the advertising sector, and the polarized political environment shows enough that newer propagandist-enthusiasts haven't done enough homework.
Even their best pundits and columnists have lowered themselves to absurd contradictions and blabber.
To the point -- the pluralistic media had provided a challenging laboratory for "propaganda science" world-wide. But it is possible to create events; it is possible to exploit events; it is possible to twist the story; it is even possible to construct the story. And the pluralistic media will then broadcast anything that cannot be disproven, like the ripples in a pond when you drop a stone in it.
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Yeah, Glen Beck has been busy promoting the idea that Hitler and his ilk were socialists, you know commies. It's been one of his main bullshit stories for quite some time.
When Hitler came to power the very first thing he and his supporters did was round up thousands of communists and killed many of them. Hitler HATED commies and invaded the Soviet Union in no small part to get rid of commies.
In this country, the folks that most hold dear the principles behind the Nazi's are the extreme right wingers. Sadly, many of the "normal" right wingers believe too much of this nonsense!
Sad that so many folks are so certain of there beliefs that actual facts need not apply!
Brian
When Hitler came to power the very first thing he and his supporters did was round up thousands of communists and killed many of them. Hitler HATED commies and invaded the Soviet Union in no small part to get rid of commies.
In this country, the folks that most hold dear the principles behind the Nazi's are the extreme right wingers. Sadly, many of the "normal" right wingers believe too much of this nonsense!
Sad that so many folks are so certain of there beliefs that actual facts need not apply!
Brian
WhipperSnapper
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I wish Americans could be "poor" like those evil socialists in Scandinavia.
It's great that under real capitalism the top 5-10% of the population can be rich by owning capital without actually engaging in much work and expropriating wealth that has been produced by actual workers. What's so great it about for the bottom percentage of the populace that's laboring as wage slaves and receiving less contribution than their actual contribution to the act of wealth production? Capitalism is like a welfare giveaway program for the owners of capital, in a sense.
It's completely intellectually dishonest to label an advocate of a Scandinavian-like mixed economy as being equivalent to a Nazi. The Nazis are not known because they were advocates of socialism, but because they were advocates of racism and genocide.
It's great that under real capitalism the top 5-10% of the population can be rich by owning capital without actually engaging in much work and expropriating wealth that has been produced by actual workers. What's so great it about for the bottom percentage of the populace that's laboring as wage slaves and receiving less contribution than their actual contribution to the act of wealth production? Capitalism is like a welfare giveaway program for the owners of capital, in a sense.
It's completely intellectually dishonest to label an advocate of a Scandinavian-like mixed economy as being equivalent to a Nazi. The Nazis are not known because they were advocates of socialism, but because they were advocates of racism and genocide.
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WhipperSnapper
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You kind of have to wonder how things would have turned out if the Nazi Party were pacifist and had not been racist, genocidal, and sociopathic.
88keys
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While we're on the subject of Godwin's law.....
Does anyone recall a certain historical figure who became widely popular by bullying his contemporaries, and spewing hateful angry rhetoric while singling out minorities and inspiring his followers to commit acts of aggression towards those minorities?
Granted we're nowhere near that point, but I know there is alot of fear, hate and frustration in this country right now and all it takes is the right guy to come along tap into those emotions at the right time.
Does anyone recall a certain historical figure who became widely popular by bullying his contemporaries, and spewing hateful angry rhetoric while singling out minorities and inspiring his followers to commit acts of aggression towards those minorities?
Granted we're nowhere near that point, but I know there is alot of fear, hate and frustration in this country right now and all it takes is the right guy to come along tap into those emotions at the right time.
Paratus
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Meghan54
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Londo_Jowo
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It's going to be a long cycle for several on here.
Tappity tap
Slobber slobber
Tappity tap
Scowl scowl
Tappity tap
Huff puff
Over and over and over again
glenn1
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Bernie's ideas are bad enough without calling him a Nazi. He'll lose the election because populists don't win U.S. presidential elections no matter what their ostensible political party is. Sanders won't even reach the vote totals that Huey Long or William Jennings Bryan pulled in given far worse circumstances.
The Nazis did very little to the economy. It was well known that Hitler cared very little for the economy and did not think it was worth his time. The reason the Nazi party is hated so much, is that they were mainly a force for destruction and hatred. People like to attribute the economic growth to the Nazis, but that comes from not knowing what the fuck they are talking about. Germany was a world powerhouse pre WWI. The main things the Nazis did was to ignore the fees Europe had put on Germany. Once Germany ignored the things that were ruining their economy, it went back to being a powerhouse.
That is why I asked before for someone to list a policy that was socialist that the Nazis enacted that was a benefit to their economy.
JTsyo
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heh, when we were discussing on how to ship the millions of illegals back south I suggested looking at WW2 Germany on ideas how to move a mass of people. That then derailed the conversation on how likely it would be Trump would bend the rules once he was president to keep power.
Well there was the policy of nationalizing Jewish wealth. Surely that help fund the government for a few months.
Atomic Playboy
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I'm curious who this sentence was written for. Are you under the impression that there is a giant segment of people who think "wow, I don't understand why everyone is so hard on the Nazis"?
It has very little meaning if you don't put that into context. I was responding to the idea that the Nazis did some good in the economy, and they did nothing to benefit the economy that fit the ideals of the Nazis. The Nazis were a party want wanted power and were fueled by their hatred. Also, why would you think I was talking about a "giant segment"? I could have been addressing a small segment as well could I not?
woolfe9998
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It was mainly Hitler's war production in the 1930's which brought the German economy back.
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