Bernie Sanders Filibustering the tax bill the old fashioned way..

GroundedSailor

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Bernie Sanders Filibustering the tax bill the old fashioned way..

by actually speaking and not just declaring his intention to filibuster. He's been speaking for over 6 hours now.

Live coverage on C-span.
"I'm not here to set any great records or to make a spectacle. I am simply here today to take as long as I can to explain to the American people the fact that we have got to do a lot better than this agreement provides," he said at the start of his effort."

Good on him. He's standing up for what he believes.


More info:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/12/bernie-sanders-tax-cuts-filibuster-/1
Sen. Bernie Sanders filibusters Obama tax deal with GOP

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is now in his sixth hour on the Senate floor criticizing President Obama's tax cut deal with Republicans.

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, had vowed to do anything he could to block the deal, including a filibuster. We're checking with his office to see how long he plans to talk.

The Senate vote is scheduled for Monday.

Sanders has been outspoken that the $858 billion deal Obama reached with congressional Republicans gives too much away to the wealthy.

Obama says the tax deal is needed to stimulate the economy. He had campaigned on tax cuts for the middle class. But the deal extends for two years the Bush-era tax cuts, which expire at the end of the year, for all income levels. Many Democrats, especially liberals in the House, have pushed back because the deal includes families earning more than $250,000 in taxable income.

Sanders has been speaking to a mostly empty Senate chamber. He's now making the point that if the tax breaks are extended for two years, there is a likelihood they could be extended permanently. At one point, he was reading railroad timetables.

Occasionally, he's been joined on the Senate floor by Sens. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Mary Landrieu, D-La. Landrieu called the deal "unconscionable" and vowed if -- and that's a big if -- she votes for the plan she would make noise about it first.

An actual filibuster -- where a lawmaker talks on and on -- is kind of a rare thing in Congress these days. Senate Historian Donald Ritchie notes that a real filibuster is when a senator gets up in the chamber and talks forever to delay a vote on an issue.

But these days people use the word "filibuster" whenever an issue hits a snag -- such as with the repeal of the policy on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military -- even though a senator isn't talking non-stop.

The Senate has pulled all-nighters, such as in 2007 over Iraq war policy.

Sanders still has a long way to go to break the record for the Senate's longest speech. That was set by Strom Thurmond in 1957: 24 hours, 18 minutes talking in opposition to a civil rights bill.
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PokerGuy

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Leave it to that idiot to waste his time on that.

I do think filibustering should require actually filibustering rather than just saying you're going to, but still, Bernie is a silly fool, no surprise that he's doing this, along with his merry band of idiots like Landrieu. Funny thing is that Landrieu is still going to vote for it, she just wants to blow some more hot air to pretend that she cares about the little people.
 

Generator

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Obama got fucking Clinton out there! THIS IS A FUCKING EMBARRASSMENT. These democrats and republicans are unbelievable. Bernie against all the king's men.
 

Ns1

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"At one point, he was reading railroad timetables."

This is why I hate government sometimes.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Bernie is the Reps best friend right now. Does he think he's going to get a better deal after they take over the House?
 

Fern

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Umm..

The Senate vote is not scheduled to take place until Monday.

Not sure what he thinks he's filibustering.

If he wants to filibuster the tax agreement, he'll have to do that Monday.

If he's really serious about not letting it pass, he'll do a pocket veto. Nothing anyone can do about it then.

Fern
 

ElFenix

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i do like the old fashioned filibuster. make them actually stall the entire legislative process to talk endlessly. the current rules allow anyone to just claim they're doing it. who actually knows?
 

Zebo

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Umm..

The Senate vote is not scheduled to take place until Monday.

Not sure what he thinks he's filibustering.

If he wants to filibuster the tax agreement, he'll have to do that Monday.

If he's really serious about not letting it pass, he'll do a pocket veto. Nothing anyone can do about it then.

Fern

Yeah hope he makes it till next week man looks old and worn out.

I don't think anyone likes this bill. Right or left. I was at freerepublic and they were even praising him.:eek:
 

Thump553

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I never thought I'd say this, but good for Bernie. Despite being a self-proclaimed socialist he seems to be one of the very few in Washington with the people in mind. There are parts of this bill that are good, but overall it is a very expensive boondoogle and a half-assed stimulus program. We could get a lot more for our bucks.
 

fskimospy

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Umm..

The Senate vote is not scheduled to take place until Monday.

Not sure what he thinks he's filibustering.

If he wants to filibuster the tax agreement, he'll have to do that Monday.

If he's really serious about not letting it pass, he'll do a pocket veto. Nothing anyone can do about it then.

Fern

Huh?

The pocket veto is something that the president does, not a senator.
 

sportage

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Yes I agree with Obama and Clinton as an EMBARRASSMENT.
So he got Clinton out there? Well.. just shows Hillary should have been the 2008 candidate in the first place. I believe she would have done the right deal in the first place, and not needed her hubby to spin for her. Obama is toast in my book. I would NEVER vote for him again. And I’m a middle of the road liberal.
As to CLinton, he's not my favorite x-pres either. Obama gets the guy that sent most of our middle class jobs south, just as Perot predicted he would.
Frankly.. I find no difference between the republican and democrat party while Obama is in power. What is the difference? Really?

And as to tax cuts and this "the sky will be falling" scare tactic Obama is pushing...
I'd gladly pay the increase, to force the wealthy to pay their increase.
Obama is feeding us a line of bull. I remember when the Bush tax cuts went into effect for wage earners making 30,000 - 50,000. It added up to a grand $6 more in take-home pay, bi weekly. Hardly a gallon of gas, back then.

BTW... forget about seeing Obama's birth certificate... I just want to see his voter registration card and what party he is actually affiliated with on that card...........
 

Jhhnn

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maybe it's called 'hold'.

Whatever the term, a single senator can do it. It amount to a filibuster IIRC.

Fern

That's just wrt nominees, Fern, not legislation.

Hayabusa Rider said:
Bernie is the Reps best friend right now. Does he think he's going to get a better deal after they take over the House?

Whatever Repubs do when they gain control of the HOR, they'll have to own it. And Dems and the working people of this country will still face the same sort of extortion 2 years from now, anyway.

Give us what we want or we'll crash ya! is the Repubs slogan atm, even if it's not explicit. And what they want is what they'll continue to use to beat down the middle and working classes. There's no point in being complicit, no point in accepting temporary respite as a solution, because they're relentless.
 

fskimospy

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maybe it's called 'hold'.

Whatever the term, a single senator can do it. It amount to a filibuster IIRC.

Fern

Holds can be defeated through cloture the same way a filibuster can, they really aren't much different, and neither one would keep this legislation from going through.
 

Exterous

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I don't think anyone likes this bill. Right or left. I was at freerepublic and they were even praising him.:eek:

Heh - they've finally done it. The DC politicians have finally done something so atrocious that it has brought Republican and Democratic voters together in their hatred of this bill.

Before you know it we will all be sitting around in P&N signing kumbaya while spidey and craig hug and make up

It's nice to see someone actually put effort into filibustering. Bring back the old days where you actually had to have determination to filibuster!
 

fskimospy

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Heh - they've finally done it. The DC politicians have finally done something so atrocious that it has brought Republican and Democratic voters together in their hatred of this bill.

Before you know it we will all be sitting around in P&N signing kumbaya while spidey and craig hug and make up

It's nice to see someone actually put effort into filibustering. Bring back the old days where you actually had to have determination to filibuster!

I like how everyone talks about how they want compromise and then when it happens everyone flips out.
 

HendrixFan

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As to CLinton, he's not my favorite x-pres either. Obama gets the guy that sent most of our middle class jobs south, just as Perot predicted he would.

Median household income went up 14% adjusted for inflation during Clinton's 8 years as President. 22 million new jobs created during that time.

I'll agree with you that Obama is a limp noodle.
 

HendrixFan

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I like how everyone talks about how they want compromise and then when it happens everyone flips out.

One side wanted to spend money, another wanted to cut taxes. Both claimed we couldn't afford each others' actions. They went and did both, it wasn't so much a compromise as it was just bending over our next generation and going to town raw dog.
 

fskimospy

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One side wanted to spend money, another wanted to cut taxes. Both claimed we couldn't afford each others' actions. They went and did both, it wasn't so much a compromise as it was just bending over our next generation and going to town raw dog.

Not really, the overwhelming majority of economists agree that the economy needs more stimulus. Both parties compromised on how to do what needed to be done.

Furthermore, polls show that a significant majority of Americans believe that more tax cuts/stimulus spending is needed for the economy and that this is more important than reducing the deficit. So, that's what the people wanted as well.

I personally think the tax cuts are a waste of money, but what can you do.
 

HendrixFan

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Not really, the overwhelming majority of economists agree that the economy needs more stimulus. Both parties compromised on how to do what needed to be done.

Furthermore, polls show that a significant majority of Americans believe that more tax cuts/stimulus spending is needed for the economy and that this is more important than reducing the deficit. So, that's what the people wanted as well.

I personally think the tax cuts are a waste of money, but what can you do.

You cherry picked my post. Both sides said the others' proposals would not help the economy and the cost and added deficit spending would detract from it. They took the stance that we couldn't afford to be irresponsible and instead they do both and really blow it out of the water. Instead of working towards some common ground they pretty much decided their own claims were either bogus or of little concern because both sides desperately wanted to give money to their voting base.

Did polling really show that people want more "free" money? Consider me shocked by that.
 

nixium

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Haha awesome. Go Bernie Sanders. They should make this mandatory. Make these politicians earn their keep.
 

colonel

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amazing, I ve been watching him in Cpan for hours about this....the 1% tax cuts from hell.
 

Throckmorton

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You cherry picked my post. Both sides said the others' proposals would not help the economy and the cost and added deficit spending would detract from it. They took the stance that we couldn't afford to be irresponsible and instead they do both and really blow it out of the water. Instead of working towards some common ground they pretty much decided their own claims were either bogus or of little concern because both sides desperately wanted to give money to their voting base.

Did polling really show that people want more "free" money? Consider me shocked by that.

Apparently the people understand basic economics better than you and the TEA Party