Bernie Madoff 'falls out of bed' in prison

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I posted this in OT but I figured with all the vitriol (deserved) hurled at him on this side of the board some of you (Re: me) would take a perverse pleasure in this...

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7187293

DURHAM, NC -- A source tells ABC11 Eyewitness News that disgraced financier Bernie Madoff is being treated for serious injuries after he fell out of his prison bed.

ABC11 Eyewitness News first reported that Madoff had injuries consistent with an assault. Now, the source says Madoff was not attacked in prison, but that he fell off a bed onto his face. The source said there was a lot of facial bleeding.

Sources also confirmed Madoff was treated at Duke University Medical Center in Durham last Friday and discharged earlier this week.

He is serving a life sentence at the federal prison in Butner after admitting to cheating investors out of billions of dollars.

According to the sources, Madoff came to Duke with facial fractures, broken ribs and a collapsed lung.

Prison officials won't confirm that. They say the 71-year-old is now in the medical clinic at the prison in Butner.

According a report by the Associated Press, Madoff's lawyer - Ira Sorkin - said his client was not assaulted, but "had some dizzy spells and some high blood pressure."

The AP reported Duke University Medical Center earlier said Madoff had been treated there, but later a spokeswoman said the hospital had never had a patient by that name.

Merry Chirstmas, Bernie. Better strap in next time.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can't condemn this man. I can think of few people who could possibly hate themselves enough to cheat so many decent people on such a scale, and his own fellow Jews. Such a giant piece of shit has to hate himself far far more than he could be hated by the rest of the world. He created and defined his own hell. He can never feel anything but self loathing. Oh Father in heaven let the bitterness in our hearts burn away. Lead us back to the love of out inner being, I pray.

 

[IGBT]

I can't condemn this man. I can think of few people who could possibly hate themselves enough to cheat so many decent people on such a scale, and his own fellow Jews. Such a giant piece of shit has to hate himself far far more than he could be hated by the rest of the world. He created and defined his own hell. He can never feel anything but self loathing. Oh Father in heaven let the bitterness in our hearts burn away. Lead us back to the love of out inner being, I pray.

how about the SEC auditors that pencil whipped this guys racket for years on end. Why aren't they in the slam?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

how about the SEC auditors that pencil whipped this guys racket for years on end. Why aren't they in the slam?

Because that would be an embarrassment to the government, and they are Sacred. It's great to be able to give oneself special dispensation.

 

[Lemon law]

Even if Madoff is a giant smuck and deserves to be in jail, that is no reason to take joy in his physical pain. But hmmmm, if he develops a habit of falling out of bed, there is a simple solution, reduce the height of his bed or elevate the surrounding floor. Making it impossible to fall out of bed and gain a self assisted injury from gravitational forces.

That way Madoff can stay in jail where he belongs and us taxpayers will not have to pay for his hospital injuries.

 

[First]

Honestly I take no pleasure in his physical pain because it means and changes nothing. This isn't a mass murderer either, he's simply your typical scumbag, he's just the most successful scumbag huckster in history. He's getting what he deserves and I can only hope his co-conspirators are captured and jailed in the same fashion. Really, the possibility that some other guilty party as of yet unidentified is getting away with this is on my mind far more than any pain Madoff is suffering.

 

[Wnh5001]

i'm surprised they haven't wacked him yet in prison.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Even if Madoff is a giant smuck and deserves to be in jail, that is no reason to take joy in his physical pain. But hmmmm, if he develops a habit of falling out of bed, there is a simple solution, reduce the height of his bed or elevate the surrounding floor. Making it impossible to fall out of bed and gain a self assisted injury from gravitational forces.

That way Madoff can stay in jail where he belongs and us taxpayers will not have to pay for his hospital injuries.

I have a feeling his bed could have been on the floor and he would have still sustained severe injuries from 'falling out' of of it.

 

[Craig234]

He is an evil man and I do NOT want to see the prison system fail to protect his physical safety.

I think people who cheer if someone is raped in prison are a bad or worse than the criminals.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

He is an evil man and I do NOT want to see the prison system fail to protect his physical safety.

I think people who cheer if someone is raped in prison are a bad or worse than the criminals.

Were you upset to learn of Jeff Dahmer's fate? (Not saying it's the same thing... Just saying)

 

[Craig234]

Were you upset to learn of Jeff Dahmer's fate? (Not saying it's the same thing... Just saying)

I wanted the prison system to protect Dahmer's physical safety like every prisoner's.

Funny example as I've posted a bit on 'the rest of the story' on Dahmer here before.

 

[theflyingpig]

He is an evil man and I do NOT want to see the prison system fail to protect his physical safety.

I think people who cheer if someone is raped in prison are a bad or worse than the criminals.

Craig234: Defending the most vile, scum of the earth, in the name of Liberalism

 

[Infohawk]

That is not right and is disproportionate to his crimes. He should be physically safe.

 

[Craig234]

Craig234: Defending the most vile, scum of the earth, in the name of Liberalism

I don't recall defending you.

But yes, when you go to prison, not soon enough, I want you physically protected too.

It would be an injustice to hear you squealing like a 'stuck pig' for whole new reasons than you do now.

 

[Craig234]

That is not right and is disproportionate to his crimes. He should be physically safe.

I have to make a point on the other side here.

I disagree with just one part of your comments, the 'disproportionate to his crimes' part.

I don't think his injuries are disprortionate to his crime; I've seen some of the victims' comments. But it is wrong.

THe 'disprortionate' arguent is more for things like 'so he was smoking a joint you think a 10 year jail sentence is proportionate to shi s crime?'

 

[0marTheZealot]

Some one shiv this piece of shit already.

 

[Lemon law]

Its somewhat interesting that the specter of Dalhmer is raised on this thread.

Because it can be somewhat hypothesized that his fellow inmate killed Dahlmer as a knee jerk self defense motive. After all, if Dahlmer could act in a totally irrational manner in the free world, why should his fellow inmates not assume they would become his next victims? Given the piss poor record of the prison administrators, in terms of protecting prison inmates from their fellow inmates regarding other abuses, why should not we be surprised that Dahlmer got wacked by his fellow inmates because they regarded his irrationality as life threatening.

But to assume that the same threat to his fellow inmates applies to Bernie Madoff is somewhat absurd from the get go. Why should we assume Prison inmates are arbiters of normal social values? After all, many are in prison for the same type of crime, maybe his fellow inmates may suffer from envy that Madoff got away with so much more ill gotten gains, but why should his fellow inmates bestir themselves into the additional crime of murder?

After all, we can somewhat regard prison as a college for crime, its a great place to learn how to hot wire cars, and so many other illegal methodologies. And I can see it all now, Bernie Madoff as a popular role model for his fellow inmates, who when released, will gravitate to a career in investment banking.

But will the additional prison competition matter in the grand scheme of things, when there are so many yet to be jailed Bernie Madoff wannabees already working as investment bankers. And in instead of being jailed, they instead get huge bonuses as we US citizens taxpayers feel compelled to bail their asses out when they engage in the same criminal behavior.

 

[Vic]

That is not right and is disproportionate to his crimes. He should be physically safe.

Bullshit. If there was real justice in our society, he would have been executed for his crimes.

 

[Zebo]

This man is chump change and a sacrificial lamb for what really went down.

Need a review:
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1788-Thou-Shalt-Steal.html
*
The Federal Reserve has intentionally held liquidity - that is, "excess cash" in the system, too high for extended periods, even though this was intended to and did produce multiple asset bubbles.

*
Officials from The Fed (and others) made statements that were reckless in their disregard for the truth. Claims that housing prices reflected "sound fundamentals" where homes were selling for two or even three times sustainable prices are just one of many examples - even when prices were taking on 20, 30, or even 50% gains in a year.

*
Greenspan claimed there was "irrational exuberance" in the stock market but then did absolutely nothing about it for the succeeding four years! The result was a huge stock market bubble in Nasdaq stocks that subsequently burst.

*
Investment and Commercial Banks willfully and intentionally made loans to people who they either knew could not pay (other than by refinancing into another loan) or worse, simply didn't give a damn if you could pay or not - because they assumed they would simply steal the house!

*
This wasn't limited to houses - it was found in literally every sort of lending and commercial activity. PIK/Toggle bonds, "covenant light" loans, leveraged buyout money, all of it was the same basic scam - we don't care if you can pay because we will unload this garbage on some other bagholder before it all blows up!

*
Some borrowers got involved in the fraud machine too. Why tell the truth when you can "state" that you make $200,000 a year - cutting hair! Why if you want that million dollar house and can get an OptionARM at 2% interest-only (against a real rate of 6%) for the first two years, go for it! You can always refinance before the "teaser" expires, right?

 

[Craig234]

Its somewhat interesting that the specter of Dalhmer is raised on this thread.

Because it can be somewhat hypothesized that his fellow inmate killed Dahlmer as a knee jerk self defense motive. After all, if Dahlmer could act in a totally irrational manner in the free world, why should his fellow inmates not assume they would become his next victims? Given the piss poor record of the prison administrators, in terms of protecting prison inmates from their fellow inmates regarding other abuses, why should not we be surprised that Dahlmer got wacked by his fellow inmates because they regarded his irrationality as life threatening.

But to assume that the same threat to his fellow inmates applies to Bernie Madoff is somewhat absurd from the get go. Why should we assume Prison inmates are arbiters of normal social values? After all, many are in prison for the same type of crime, maybe his fellow inmates may suffer from envy that Madoff got away with so much more ill gotten gains, but why should his fellow inmates bestir themselves into the additional crime of murder?

After all, we can somewhat regard prison as a college for crime, its a great place to learn how to hot wire cars, and so many other illegal methodologies. And I can see it all now, Bernie Madoff as a popular role model for his fellow inmates, who when released, will gravitate to a career in investment banking.

But will the additional prison competition matter in the grand scheme of things, when there are so many yet to be jailed Bernie Madoff wannabees already working as investment bankers. And in instead of being jailed, they instead get huge bonuses as we US citizens taxpayers feel compelled to bail their asses out when they engage in the same criminal behavior.

The klilling of Dahmer had *nothing* to do with a fear of him for 'self-defense'. Check the facts. And think about it - oh noes, inmates have reason to think one of their fellow inmates might be violent?

Ya, that's certainly limited to Dahmer.

The rest of their inmates are very safe people.

Dahmer was a 'celebrity' inmate and IMO it was irresponsible to leave him that unprotected.

 

[Zebo]

Violent prison are a good thing Craig, as it acts as a deterrent to keep people out of them. Otherwise, it's adult day care. Personally I don;t believe in prisons at all - every crime could be meet with capital or corporal punishment. Why victimize society twice? Once when they commit crime, second as ongoing maintenance by tax payers to house them.

 

[blackangst1]

I agree with Craig on this one.

 

[Vic]

This man is chump change and a sacrificial lamb for what really went down.

Need a review:
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1788-Thou-Shalt-Steal.html
*
The Federal Reserve has intentionally held liquidity - that is, "excess cash" in the system, too high for extended periods, even though this was intended to and did produce multiple asset bubbles.

*
Officials from The Fed (and others) made statements that were reckless in their disregard for the truth. Claims that housing prices reflected "sound fundamentals" where homes were selling for two or even three times sustainable prices are just one of many examples - even when prices were taking on 20, 30, or even 50% gains in a year.

*
Greenspan claimed there was "irrational exuberance" in the stock market but then did absolutely nothing about it for the succeeding four years! The result was a huge stock market bubble in Nasdaq stocks that subsequently burst.

*
Investment and Commercial Banks willfully and intentionally made loans to people who they either knew could not pay (other than by refinancing into another loan) or worse, simply didn't give a damn if you could pay or not - because they assumed they would simply steal the house!

*
This wasn't limited to houses - it was found in literally every sort of lending and commercial activity. PIK/Toggle bonds, "covenant light" loans, leveraged buyout money, all of it was the same basic scam - we don't care if you can pay because we will unload this garbage on some other bagholder before it all blows up!

*
Some borrowers got involved in the fraud machine too. Why tell the truth when you can "state" that you make $200,000 a year - cutting hair! Why if you want that million dollar house and can get an OptionARM at 2% interest-only (against a real rate of 6%) for the first two years, go for it! You can always refinance before the "teaser" expires, right?

So murderers are to be forgiven because society is guilty of war?

 

[Craig234]

Violent prison are a good thing Craig, as it acts as a deterrent to keep people out of them. Otherwise, it's adult day care. Personally I don;t believe in prisons at all - every crime could be meet with capital or corporal punishment. Why victimize society twice? Once when they commit crime, second as ongoing maintenance by tax payers to house them.

I disagree with you on this. Whiile the government has the right to punish with imprisonment that is already a very harsh punishment - I'd like to see what you have to say about 'adult day care' after a week of having youru freedom taken away and you being given little more than walls to look at almost 24 hours a day, much less a year - there is no moral right to put a person you have in your custody into harms's way of violence by other prisoners.

It might surprise you to know that I am much more sympathetic to your other point that there's a lot of room to rethink prisons. I've long considered corporal (not capital) punishment in lieu of prison.

If we ARE going to have prisons, I'd lke to see them made much more rehabilitative.

People vastly underestimate the suffering of being imprisoned IMO. And I'm strongly anti-crime.

 

[Vic]

Violent prison are a good thing Craig, as it acts as a deterrent to keep people out of them. Otherwise, it's adult day care. Personally I don;t believe in prisons at all - every crime could be meet with capital or corporal punishment. Why victimize society twice? Once when they commit crime, second as ongoing maintenance by tax payers to house them.

Capital and corporal punishments are also more humane than prisons. This notion that it is kinder to lock someone in a hole for years is something Craig believes for the sake of his own conscience, and not for the well-being of those people who have to suffer it. Given the choice, I would prefer a whipping than to be locked up.