Berg video fake?

[YankeezXBA]

not sure if this is a repost



Here

im sure there will be differeing opinions about it

but in the end a man lost his life and its very sad

 

[screw3d]

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[BaboonGuy]

i think he was probably dead already when they cut into him

 

[Corporate Thug]

10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm? possible already dead?

11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT? who cares

12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why? group wanted "credit", individuals didnt?

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands. again, who cares?

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell? says nothing

 

[isekii]

I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I understand that, but as they say..... rules were meant to be broken.
I just think some of the troops are taking a whole lot of crap for something which has probably been going on for generations.

 

[Orsorum]

10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm? possible already dead?

What?

11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT? who cares

Maybe that it just seems rather odd for a Muslim terrorist who despises the USA and all they stand for to be wearing what could be THE most obvious symbol of American influence throughout the world?

12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why? group wanted "credit", individuals didnt?

... if these men are caught they're already dead, why worry about showing their face, especially Al-Zarqawi?

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands. again, who cares?

Well, being the fact that they're supposed to a) be arab, and b) not be well-fed enough to look as healthy as they do, you know, having been insurgents on the run for quite a while.

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell? says nothing

I will agree that I'm not sure of the significance of this, as I don't know how many camcorders are sold in other languages/other timestamps around the world.

 

[YankeezXBA]

4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

http://aztlan.net/mp_abu_ghraib.gif

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

you don't fvck with prisoners, that's just messed up

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: YankeezXBA
4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

http://aztlan.net/mp_abu_ghraib.gif

very interesting

the nore i read about all these things popping up - i am almost getting convinced that it is fake.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

I blame it on the democrats playing politics.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm? possible already dead?

What?


if he is already dead like the OP states, then obviously he wouldnt respond in any way


11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT? who cares

Maybe that it just seems rather odd for a Muslim terrorist who despises the USA and all they stand for to be wearing what could be THE most obvious symbol of American influence throughout the world?


i just see it as shoes are shoes, dont read anything more into it


12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why? group wanted "credit", individuals didnt?

... if these men are caught they're already dead, why worry about showing their face, especially Al-Zarqawi?

dont quite understand

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands. again, who cares?

Well, being the fact that they're supposed to a) be arab, and b) not be well-fed enough to look as healthy as they do, you know, having been insurgents on the run for quite a while.

right, but some are lighter in skin tone than others

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell? says nothing

I will agree that I'm not sure of the significance of this, as I don't know how many camcorders are sold in other languages/other timestamps around the world.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

I blame it on the democrats playing politics.

I blame it on people blaming either the Democrats or Republicans for any thing of that sort. Good god, let's just get beyond partisan politics (at least for the moment) and figure out wtf happened.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

I blame it on the democrats playing politics.

I blame it on people blaming either the Democrats or Republicans for any thing of that sort. Good god, let's just get beyond partisan politics (at least for the moment) and figure out wtf happened.

I'm neither republican or democrat, but the way they've been going at Rumsfeld is totally screwed up.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

if thats the case then the US should come out and say "hey, we mistreated your POWs and you have the right to do the same to ours. Heck, the Berg excution isnt that big of a deal at all."

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I agree but its fvcked up that all the rules were basically established by us and the only true enemies the U.S. has won't bother following these rules in the first place. They are self-imposed rules that won't be followed by our enemies... wtf is the point in giving them the priviledges.

I'm not saying to go out and torture and rape the prisoners, but some manipulation could only help in the long run.

 

[YankeezXBA]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

if thats the case then the US should come out and say "hey, we mistreated your POWs and you have the right to do the same to ours. Heck, the Berg excution isnt that big of a deal at all."

the question is who performed the execution...

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: YankeezXBA
4. The most telling evidence that the video of the decapitation of Nicholas Berg was taken inside the Abu Ghraib prison can only be detected by performing a frame by frame analysis. La Voz de Aztlan did just that and some revealing frames came up that are difficult to see if the video is played on normal speed. Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. His neck, left ear and part of his cap and visor can be seen. We have prepared an animated gif with just the relevant frames that clearly shows this at Animated Photo 7. Look at the right hand side as someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video. Compare this animated gif with the MP whose cap is circled on Photo 4.

http://aztlan.net/mp_abu_ghraib.gif

very interesting

the nore i read about all these things popping up - i am almost getting convinced that it is fake.

i see his pinky finger and nothing else... i wish it were a bigger gif

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: YankeezXBA

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

everything is fair in love and war.

god i hate the US media.

if thats the case then the US should come out and say "hey, we mistreated your POWs and you have the right to do the same to ours. Heck, the Berg excution isnt that big of a deal at all."

the question is who performed the execution...

assuming it is not a big conspiracy and all...

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I agree but its fvcked up that all the rules were basically established by us and the only true enemies the U.S. has won't bother following these rules in the first place. They are self-imposed rules that won't be followed by our enemies... wtf is the point in giving them the priviledges.

I'm not saying to go out and torture and rape the prisoners, but some manipulation could only help in the long run.

if it was established by us, we should follow it . what is the point of making the rules and not playing by them? as far as we know, the execution could have been in response to the fact the we mistreated the POWs

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I agree but its fvcked up that all the rules were basically established by us and the only true enemies the U.S. has won't bother following these rules in the first place. They are self-imposed rules that won't be followed by our enemies... wtf is the point in giving them the priviledges.

I'm not saying to go out and torture and rape the prisoners, but some manipulation could only help in the long run.

if it was established by us, we should follow it . what is the point of making the rules and not playing by them? as far as we know, the execution could have been in response to the fact the we mistreated the POWs

I agree but what is the point of establishing rules that cripple us and allow our enemies to run rampant because they have no reason to follow the same rules?

If we were fighting a conventional enemy I might agree with your statement that the execution was in response to our treatment of POWs, but we aren't and I don't think anyone could truly believe the execution was somehow related.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I understand that, but as they say..... rules were meant to be broken.
I just think some of the troops are taking a whole lot of crap for something which has probably been going on for generations.

How do you know that every Iraqi detained is GUILTY. Don't you know that some of them are not?? Some people just get caught up in the wrong place, wrong time, wrong friends. Then 20yrs later the truth comes out and you figure out the person was imprisoned and abused for NOTHING.

I'm not sticking up for them but I am just saying that not all of them are guilty and not all of them have US soldier blood on their hands. Majority - Yes ; All - NO.

And about this video, who gives a fvck if its fake or not. The guy is dead and died a horrible violent death.

If I was a terrorist. I would've made a fake video of it as well. Why show the real thing when you can show a fake that will get the msg across just as well.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: jmoe782

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: isekii
I really don't see what the big deal is with the mistreatment of iraqi prisoners.

I think the US media is making a big deal out of something that probably has been going on for many many years.

They try to kill our troops, they're lucky to be alive.

there are rules as to how to deal with POWs...

I understand that, but as they say..... rules were meant to be broken.
I just think some of the troops are taking a whole lot of crap for something which has probably been going on for generations.

How do you know that every Iraqi detained is GUILTY. Don't you know that some of them are not?? Some people just get caught up in the wrong place, wrong time, wrong friends. Then 20yrs later the truth comes out and you figure out the person was imprisoned and abused for NOTHING.

I'm not sticking up for them but I am just saying that not all of them are guilty and not all of them have US soldier blood on their hands. Majority - Yes ; All - NO.

And about this video, who gives a fvck if its fake or not. The guy is dead and died a horrible violent death.

If I was a terrorist. I would've made a fake video of it as well. Why show the real thing when you can show a fake that will get the msg across just as well.

Why release it now?