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EagleKeeper

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Short on info, being relayed from my wife.

She spotted a Mercedes 4 door sport SUV that caught her eye. I have not seen it.

On a used car lot.
Described the size of a Jeep Liberty.
90k miles
$6000
2000 year
According to aux paperwork on the window,
  • the horn does not work.
  • airbag sensor light is on.

Question here
I expect that both are dealer work. Figure 3-4 hours effort to track and fix both problems ($500) or
Walk away?

Get lot to cover part of cost either by doing work or reduce offer if the rest of vehicle feels good.

Need my ducks lined up before being dragged to see vehicle.
 

boomhower

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12 year old German luxury vehicle...

Just be prepared for high mainanence costs. I'd have them fix whatever is wrong with it before you buy it at their cost. In most states it wouldn't even pass inspection with those two issues. Does yours not have a state inspection?
 

fstime

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Many things wrong with your post:

Never buy a car from a used car dealer. You usually have no idea of the cars' history. Used cars should only be purchased from the original owner, perhaps a second owner, with full maintenance history.

Don't buy a 12 year old Mercedes, especially one that is from Mercedes' worst years, during the Chrysler merger and that is built in America (no offense).

Finally, you are already aware the car already has issues.
 

Arkaign

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The concensus is true, that's a terrible vehicle financially/reliability wise.

For about the same $, a decent Cherokee with the 4.0 can be had. Not as shiny a badge, but more robust and far cheaper to operate.
 

manimal

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I would stay away from ML320s and 430s with low or high mileage. Just too expensive of a platform.

Now I have seen those liquify their transmissions for no reason-exageration obviously- and need lots of work right out of warranty.

Get a lexus first gen suv if you want to buy one cheap. those last forever and are easy to work on.
 

halik

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Short on info, being relayed from my wife.

She spotted a Mercedes 4 door sport SUV that caught her eye. I have not seen it.

On a used car lot.
Described the size of a Jeep Liberty.
90k miles
$6000
2000 year
According to aux paperwork on the window,
  • the horn does not work.
  • airbag sensor light is on.

Question here
I expect that both are dealer work. Figure 3-4 hours effort to track and fix both problems ($500) or
Walk away?

Get lot to cover part of cost either by doing work or reduce offer if the rest of vehicle feels good.

Need my ducks lined up before being dragged to see vehicle.

Airbag light + dead horn = likely popped driver's airbag. They just replaced the airbag w/o the clockspring and the SRS module.
 

Zenmervolt

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Airbag light + dead horn = likely popped driver's airbag. They just replaced the airbag w/o the clockspring and the SRS module.

This. Which probably means the vehicle was in an accident and repaired by some unknown shop. At the very least check the Carfax, but even if that comes up negative you'd want to have a mechanic go over it thoroughly if you're still interested.

And, as others have said, the ML series were, to put it diplomatically, not the most reliable vehicles that Mercedes ever made.

I'd look elsewhere myself.

ZV
 

manimal

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This. Which probably means the vehicle was in an accident and repaired by some unknown shop. At the very least check the Carfax, but even if that comes up negative you'd want to have a mechanic go over it thoroughly if you're still interested.

And, as others have said, the ML series were, to put it diplomatically, not the most reliable vehicles that Mercedes ever made.

I'd look elsewhere myself.

ZV


ya. there is a reason they have depreciated to where they are at. May as well buy a v12 S600 and pretend your Kaddaffi.
 

T2urtle

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An airbag in parts alone is not even in the $500. More like $1000+ and if its the pass dash one it could be a ton of labor pending design

All small lots will do everything they can on the cheap side to make all the lights go away. So if its still on, chances are its not a cheap fix at all.

Look at the rx300 or rx330 from Lexus if u want similar. Prices are roughly same. Engine parts should be a lot cheaper since its the same 1mz engine from Camry and others.
 

manimal

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Look at the rx300 or rx330 from Lexus if u want similar. Prices are roughly same. Engine parts should be a lot cheaper since its the same 1mz engine from Camry and others.

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thats what I said! bootytraps
 

Raizinman

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I owned many cars and one was an ML430. I always wanted a Mercedes. It had 110,000 miles and ran great. Being AWD it was great in the winter. I loved that car, but a few things I hated. The power door locks were always going out. The small gas tank along with the 14 MPG was not good. With only one Mercedes dealer in town, the price of parts was very high. Fortunately, I was able to do all the work myself and ordered whatever I could from Ebay or aftermarket. It was still expensive, but there is a sense of pride and status driving a MB. Yes, it was very nice. Can't really get much better than MB. It ran great, had lots of horsepower and was very comfortable. There are a few MB websites to help you with maintenance. If it is what you want, go for it. Everyone should drive a MB once in their life. I already had my turn and sold the SUV for what I paid for it two years later.
 

T2urtle

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I owned many cars and one was an ML430. I always wanted a Mercedes. It had 110,000 miles and ran great. Being AWD it was great in the winter. I loved that car, but a few things I hated. The power door locks were always going out. The small gas tank along with the 14 MPG was not good. With only one Mercedes dealer in town, the price of parts was very high. Fortunately, I was able to do all the work myself and ordered whatever I could from Ebay or aftermarket. It was still expensive, but there is a sense of pride and status driving a MB. Yes, it was very nice. Can't really get much better than MB. It ran great, had lots of horsepower and was very comfortable. There are a few MB websites to help you with maintenance. If it is what you want, go for it. Everyone should drive a MB once in their life. I already had my turn and sold the SUV for what I paid for it two years later.

There are always great stories like yourself. Older mb/BMW/ Lexus somehow always hold value in the $5000 mark as long as the body is clean.

But your mechanical skill set/available free time might be different then the OP. MB is one brand that I never got my hands on, so I don't know if its more in line with cake work or everything needs to be removed to get to. Or if its as easy as finding a sensor for a 4 cylinder Honda or a two year specific part on a vw that no one seems to have.
 

manimal

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There are always great stories like yourself. Older mb/BMW/ Lexus somehow always hold value in the $5000 mark as long as the body is clean.

But your mechanical skill set/available free time might be different then the OP. MB is one brand that I never got my hands on, so I don't know if its more in line with cake work or everything needs to be removed to get to. Or if its as easy as finding a sensor for a 4 cylinder Honda or a two year specific part on a vw that no one seems to have.

Most of what can go wrong is relatively easy. The bad stuff is the air suspension, the 400 odd computers that need at LEAST a star tool to program or worse. Then there is the transmissions that leak like crazy and then there are the random misfires......

If you REALLY want a good mercedes get a 190e cossie.

any w210 really. built like mf tanks.
 

Zenmervolt

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I owned many cars and one was an ML430. I always wanted a Mercedes. It had 110,000 miles and ran great. Being AWD it was great in the winter. I loved that car, but a few things I hated. The power door locks were always going out. The small gas tank along with the 14 MPG was not good. With only one Mercedes dealer in town, the price of parts was very high. Fortunately, I was able to do all the work myself and ordered whatever I could from Ebay or aftermarket. It was still expensive, but there is a sense of pride and status driving a MB. Yes, it was very nice. Can't really get much better than MB. It ran great, had lots of horsepower and was very comfortable. There are a few MB websites to help you with maintenance. If it is what you want, go for it. Everyone should drive a MB once in their life. I already had my turn and sold the SUV for what I paid for it two years later.

How do you have a situation where you only own a car for 2 years and the power locks "always" go out? One failure of the locks with less than 150,000 miles on the vehicle is too many. How many failures did it take for it to become "always"? 2? 3? 5? And what other parts were there that were "expensive" from the dealer?

At only 110,000 miles, a vehicle should have zero failures for at least another 40,000 miles.

As for selling it for what you paid for it, did you really? How much did you pay for parts and maintenance over the period you owned it? You get any of that money back? Or are you, like most people, ignoring a couple thousand dollars in repairs for things that should never break (like locks)? I could sell my 951 for "what I paid for it" too. But that would be ignoring nearly $20,000 in parts and repairs over the seven years I've owned it.

I love the car and I think it's actually been pretty reliable for a 1986 model with 170,000 miles of pretty hard life on it, but I'd be a damn fool to suggest that it would be a great vehicle for someone whose only interest was that it "caught their eye." If you've always wanted one, it can be worth it. If you just saw one and thought, "hey, that's cheap to buy, cool" then you really should not get involved.

ZV
 

manimal

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How do you have a situation where you only own a car for 2 years and the power locks "always" go out? One failure of the locks with less than 150,000 miles on the vehicle is too many. How many failures did it take for it to become "always"? 2? 3? 5? And what other parts were there that were "expensive" from the dealer?


ZV

you have a good point that fits for most cars. I used to feel that about all cars till I owned an e39. Best car ever. Just dont use the rear windows or they will eat regulators like my kids eat kix cereal.

the power lock issue on ml mercedes usually stemmed from the AAM module. Did you ever replace that raisin?

IF you MUST have a ml430 get one made after 9/2000. they improved the design quite a bit.
 

Baked

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I would never buy a car from a used car lot. You're better off using that money on lottery tickets.
 

T2urtle

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I would never buy a car from a used car lot. You're better off using that money on lottery tickets.

I know many who bought from used car lots, including my first car. Its still used as a beater by my parents. I wanna say its 50/50. Dealership used car lots are a little better odds. Just buy cars with known good mechanicals.
 

bamx2

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" There no such thing as cheap Mercedes Benz" . If cost is a concern, don't buy one unless have the skills, tools,patience and time to work on it yourself and even the parts are pricey. Look around around the MB forums like www.Peachparts.com and www.benzworld.org etc to see what you might be getting into then decide.
 

Raizinman

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How do you have a situation where you only own a car for 2 years and the power locks "always" go out? One failure of the locks with less than 150,000 miles on the vehicle is too many. How many failures did it take for it to become "always"? 2? 3? 5? And what other parts were there that were "expensive" from the dealer?

At only 110,000 miles, a vehicle should have zero failures for at least another 40,000 miles.

As for selling it for what you paid for it, did you really? How much did you pay for parts and maintenance over the period you owned it? You get any of that money back? Or are you, like most people, ignoring a couple thousand dollars in repairs for things that should never break (like locks)? I could sell my 951 for it. But that would be ignoring nearly $20,000 in parts and repairs over the seven years I've owned it.

I love the car and I think it's actually been pretty reliable for a 1986 model with 170,000 miles of pretty hard life on it, but I'd be a damn fool to suggest that it would be a great vehicle for someone whose only interest was that it "caught their eye." If you've always wanted one, it can be worth it. If you just saw one and thought, "hey, that's cheap to buy, cool" then you really should not get involved.

ZV

The power door locks on the ML were a bit unusual. They would tend to stick. When one door lock stuck (would not go either up or down) it caused a problem with all the door locks. The body computer kept trying to either lock or unlock all the door locks to correct the faulty door lock actuator. The actuators were about $250 each from Mercedes, but could be repaired by doing some disassembly and lubrication. On my particular MB, I had 3 of the 4 door locks require maintenance. That is what I meant by my statement that the power locks always go out. If you check MB web sites, you will also see this is a very common problem for the ML series in this year range.

Zero failures at 110,000 miles on a 2000 model vehicle? What world do you live in? These vehicles are loaded with bells and whistles. The more bells and whistles the higher the probability of failure, especially on a 2000 model vehicle.

All cars require parts and maintenance during ownership. Whether it is a battery, oil and filter, brakes or wiper blades. Some items are normal maintenance and others are extended repairs such as axles, water pump, or power door locks. Fortunately, on my ML, excluding normal maintenance, I was able to sell my vehicle for what I paid for it without any extended repairs. These vehicles are designed to and can go into the 200 or 300 thousand, or more, mile range without major repairs.

I often compared my ML430 to a high performance tank. Mine originally sold for around $50,000 dollars. It has great creature features, 4 wheel drive, 5 speed transmission, was Motor Trends 1998 Truck of the year beating out the Volvo and Cherokee, 8.4 inches of ground clearance for its 4 wheel drive, and handles like a sports car. Its 5000 pound towing capacity is great for about anything. If you find a fully loaded ML with the Bose sound system with 6 disc CD changer in the rear, built in Digital StarTAC phone, Power Skyview Top, or third row seat, you found a nice one. But the best feature is that it is a Mercedes Benz. A very special status driving this car, and for how much? Normally you can find these cars for less than $7000. This is about the best bang for the buck you can get.

Even better if you can find an ML550 or ML63, or perhaps an AMG version. These are more rare and obviously more expensive, but can be found with some looking. I had to drive 300 miles to get the exact one I wanted after about a month of searching.

The bottom line is: Yes these are fine automobiles and people who own them normally take care of them, meaning you can often find a well taken care of vehicle. It&#8217;s a special elite club of ownership, that often is important to your job or status. After I got mine, my wife kept wanting to drive it and we discussed even getting a second MB. This is a cheap way to become a luxury vehicle owner.

Yes, parts are higher, and there might be some repairs that you will be forced to send to your MB dealer, but overall I felt it was truly worth it. I knew what I was getting when I bought mine, and now, so you do you.
 
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This. Which probably means the vehicle was in an accident and repaired by some unknown shop. At the very least check the Carfax, but even if that comes up negative you'd want to have a mechanic go over it thoroughly if you're still interested.

And, as others have said, the ML series were, to put it diplomatically, not the most reliable vehicles that Mercedes ever made.

I'd look elsewhere myself.

ZV

This was my first thought.

I'd probably walk away, but if its something she likes and is set on check out what others are in the area similar. Maybe you can work a good enough deal to make that one worthwhile.
 

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I would never buy a car from a used car lot. You're better off using that money on lottery tickets.

I have an investment in a used lot in Indy. The gentleman who runs it is very fair and honest.

Although he is not from the US.

Initially purchased 3 vehicles from him before investing to help him expand.

This. Which probably means the vehicle was in an accident and repaired by some unknown shop. At the very least check the Carfax, but even if that comes up negative you'd want to have a mechanic go over it thoroughly if you're still interested.

And, as others have said, the ML series were, to put it diplomatically, not the most reliable vehicles that Mercedes ever made.

I'd look elsewhere myself.

ZV


To the others; I will take the provided advice; inform my wife, take my medicine and tell her no user car lot shopping