Benefit of Z77/Z75/H77 over Z68/P67/H67?

[wpcoe]

Apparently the current "3rd Generation" LGA 1055 motherboards support PCIe 3.0 and with a BIOS update will support the upcoming Ivy Bridge CPUs.

What benefit will the next generation (Z77/Z75/H77) motherboards will have over the Z68/H67/P67 3rd generation other than on-chipset USB3? (What is the benefit of chipset USB3 versus the current third-party USB3, anyway?)

Will Z68/H67 be able to take advantage of the IGP improvements of HD2500 and HD4000? I'm planning to use IGP on an Ivy Bridge CPU, so that's a significant concern.

I'm trying to justify waiting for the new generation of motherboards for an Ivy Bridge CPU, rather than pouncing on a good deal for a current generation motherboard, if I see one.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

im sure z68/h67 will utalize the igp improvements, since its a cpu thing

and the only difference i see as well is the onchipset usb3.

you could wait for haswell...which will be the "tock" of 22nm tech, your i5 atm is the "tick" of 32 nm tech.

i advise you wait for haswell. and if you have money, maybe upgrade your gpu?

 

[biostud]

the i5 is 45nm

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Main difference is Lucid Virtu MVP, that will make more difference than what comes from a SB or IB, the mobo is the mainattraction for IB systems

 

[cantholdanymore]

He's using the igp so virtu is of no use. By the way I'm also interested in this question. I've seen some improvements in next get board but most, or all, of them are independent of the chipset (i.e. more sata 6gbs, better integrated audio an such).

 

[dma0991]

If you already own a P67/Z68 motherboard with GEN3, benefits are non existent. If you don't have, you might as well wait for it.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Nope, P67/Z68 don't have Lucid Virtu MVP. Honestly, if you have to upgrade from SB, then this is what makes sense

1. Change both the motherboard and the processor to Ivy and Z77. Just changing one won't make that big a difference, but both together will really make decent difference.

If you are tight on budget,

2. Go for a Z77 today and retain your SB CPU.

3. Z77 + SB will overall be better than Z68 + Ivy, however, neither of the two are worthwhile options, neither would bring much difference. But Z77 + Ivy will be the way to go.

4. Wait till April 29 and you will know

5. Don't expect major gains anyway, a reasonable 10-20% performance boost assuming you upgrade both and overclock to the max, is what you should expect, from a highly overclocked SB

 

[Meaker10]

More native SATA 6Gbps and more USB3 too IIRC

 

[Rvenger]

3. Z77 + SB will overall be better than Z68 + Ivy, however, neither of the two are worthwhile options, neither would bring much difference. But Z77 + Ivy will be the way to go.

How do you know that Z77 + Ivy will be better than Z68 (gen 3) + Ivy? The Z77 boards were not even released yet. If you have a Gen 3 z68 what will the point be of upgrading to Z77?

 

[T_Yamamoto]

the i5 is 45nm

Oops

 

[Magic Carpet]

How do you know that Z77 + Ivy will be better than Z68 (gen 3) + Ivy? The Z77 boards were not even released yet. If you have a Gen 3 z68 what will the point be of upgrading to Z77?

Just for the sake of it?

Native USB 3.0 / PCI-E 3.0 is about the only difference. It's a tough sell for the current Z68/P67 Gen3 owners.

 

[pitz]

Triple monitors will be possible with the new platform. Resolutions on the screens go up to 4000x3000 or something like that -- an improvement over the resolutions currently supported.

Don't know if you need the new Ivy Bridge silicon or not for this -- or if the improvements just rely upon the new chipset.

This might not be a big interest in gaming machines where you'd probably stick a Radeon or Nvidia card -- but certainly on desktops, triple monitors is becoming more common. Also laptops will be able to run a pair of external monitors plus the internal screen, on one chip.

 

[fixbsod]

i5 is 32 nm!

 

[bleucharm28]

Asus has a Z77 mini itx looks amazing. WHat's a good reason to build another PC when i already have one?

 

[cantholdanymore]

Asus has a Z77 mini itx looks amazing. WHat's a good reason to build another PC when i already have one?

To have two PC's

 

[wpcoe]

im sure z68/h67 will utalize the igp improvements, since its a cpu thing

Thanks, I was hoping that was the case.

If you already own a P67/Z68 motherboard with GEN3, benefits are non existent. If you don't have, you might as well wait for it.

Why would you recommend waiting? If I see a good price deal on a Z68 or H67, so far I haven't heard a convincing argument to wait for the H77/Z75.

Triple monitors will be possible with the new platform. Resolutions on the screens go up to 4000x3000 or something like that -- an improvement over the resolutions currently supported.

Aha. Now there's something I hadn't heard! Not sure it will matter to me, but it is a feature that is not widely touted and could be a deal maker for someone in the same confused state as I.

the i5 is 45nm

i5 is 32 nm!

You are both correct, you know.

However, the context was my current i5-760 which is, indeed, 45nm.

 

[dma0991]

Why would you recommend waiting? If I see a good price deal on a Z68 or H67, so far I haven't heard a convincing argument to wait for the H77/Z75.

Because we know for certain that Z77 motherboards will definitely support IB and SB without an additional BIOS update. Even if you were to get a H67/P67/Z68 motherboard now, it could be an old stock from inventory as motherboard manufacturers would rather concentrate their resources on a newer product.

If the wait for this motherboard is 4 months or more, I would definitely recommend getting the H67/P67/Z68 motherboard. Panther Point motherboards will be available next month (probably) and I doubt you're in a hurry to get it. If you are really sure that you would want a H67/P67/Z68 motherboard, go ahead, it's your money to spend after all.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

April 8 is the launch date for z77 and April 29 for ivy

 

[Magic Carpet]

MSI upcoming Z77 boards lacking standard PCI 2.2 slots :\

 

[Rvenger]

You are both correct, you know.

However, the context was my current i5-760 which is, indeed, 45nm.

I am glad someone pointed this out because I was going to list the proof here. :thumbsup:

 

[greenhawk]

MSI upcoming Z77 boards lacking standard PCI 2.2 slots :\

The chipset lacks the PCI connections.

Nothing stopping a manufacture from adding a pci-e to PCI bridge chip to get a PCI slot.

 

[bradley]

Triple monitors will be possible with the new platform. Resolutions on the screens go up to 4000x3000 or something like that -- an improvement over the resolutions currently supported.

Don't know if you need the new Ivy Bridge silicon or not for this -- or if the improvements just rely upon the new chipset.

This might not be a big interest in gaming machines where you'd probably stick a Radeon or Nvidia card -- but certainly on desktops, triple monitors is becoming more common. Also laptops will be able to run a pair of external monitors plus the internal screen, on one chip.

Looking at the Gigabyte Z77 offerings, 2 out of 6 support 2560x1600 over the DisplayPort only, the rest are 1920x1200. Plenty of their Z68 boards also support 2560x1600 over the DisplayPort. The Ivy Bridge platform is looking more and more like a money grab to me.

 

[Magic Carpet]

The chipset lacks the PCI connections.

Nothing stopping a manufacture from adding a pci-e to PCI bridge chip to get a PCI slot.

Did Z68 natively support it?

 

[=Wendy=]

Did Z68 natively support it?

No, most P67/Z68 boards that have PCI use an Asmedia bridging chip.

I may actually go for the MSI Z77A-GD80 as I don't need PCI, and that Thunderbolt port looks quite appealing, although I would like to see some performance figures for their Thunderbolt implementation before I make up my mind.

 

[pitz]

No, most P67/Z68 boards that have PCI use an Asmedia bridging chip.

Those Asmedia bridging chips are evil. Linux has big-time problems with them and PCI cards.

I'm personally hoping for a Q77 board (ie: with Intel AMT) with either 4 PCI-E slots, or a chipset other than the Asmedia chips.