Benchmarks? AMD x2 3800+ vs P4 3.2Ghz 640

[Mr Bob]

This might sound a bit odd, why someone would benchmark the 3800+ next to a P4 3.2ghz 640, but I was hoping there were some.

I have taken a look at this one that compares the P4 3.2ghz to the single core 3800+ but that doesn't help too much.

Any links to benchmarks? Google hasn't been too helpful.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
This might sound a bit odd, why someone would benchmark the 3800+ next to a P4 3.2ghz 640, but I was hoping there were some.

I have taken a look at this one that compares the P4 3.2ghz to the single core 3800+ but that doesn't help too much.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts-27.html

what the heck its not linking right at all!

anyways, x2 3800 loses in a couple of synthetics and winrar, naturally it wins in pretty much every other category. but oh man does the 640 get slaughtered in multithread or multiapp..

 

[Markfw]

Edit : now see 3800..... Ignore what I just posted.

The 3800 should win.

 

[Zebo]

Here's a real review
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2484

 

[Mr Bob]

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts-27.html

- All of these tests seem to test where AMD already has an advantage. The xvid is the only that actually really compares the intel vs amd lines.

"Why even try to compare?"
- Because there is still the option of going with a 3.2ghz if the performance increase doesn't justify the extra price increase.

Most people looking for a P4 are not those who OC, so keep that in mind when comparing the x2.

According to the linked review above, it seems that the small p4 3.2 ghz 640 actually does quite well against the x2 3800+. Looking at a few of those tests, it sure doesn't look like the X2 is worth the extra money at all.

 

[Markfw]

The X2 3800 wins because it is faster. If you want to get a P4, and think the X2's aren't worth it, then don't get one. Don;t you already have one though ?

And the heat and power P4's suck is just not acceptable IMO.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts-27.html

- All of these tests seem to test where AMD already has an advantage. The xvid is the only that actually really compares the intel vs amd lines.

"Why even try to compare?"
- Because there is still the option of going with a 3.2ghz if the performance increase doesn't justify the extra price increase.

Most people looking for a P4 are not those who OC, so keep that in mind when comparing the x2.

According to the linked review above, it seems that the small p4 3.2 ghz 640 actually does quite well against the x2 3800+. Looking at a few of those tests, it sure doesn't look like the X2 is worth the extra money at all.

You make some valid points. If you aren't using programs that are SMP aware, don't take full advantage of both cores even if they are SMP aware, or only use SMP aware programs 3-4 times a week, then the P4 is the better buy in terms of price. But if you use SMP aware programs daily, then the speed increase of the X2 will blow the P4 away.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts-27.html

- All of these tests seem to test where AMD already has an advantage. The xvid is the only that actually really compares the intel vs amd lines.

"Why even try to compare?"
- Because there is still the option of going with a 3.2ghz if the performance increase doesn't justify the extra price increase.

Most people looking for a P4 are not those who OC, so keep that in mind when comparing the x2.

According to the linked review above, it seems that the small p4 3.2 ghz 640 actually does quite well against the x2 3800+. Looking at a few of those tests, it sure doesn't look like the X2 is worth the extra money at all.

LOL and a 3400 destroys a 640 and it's cheaper. If you want to compare single cores do so.. dually is for power users who multi task and/or use threaded apps, not cheapskates. And if "doing quite well" is losing by alomst half in any multitask or multi threaded scenario..well... you may want to check out a $40 Duron 1800 since it will do better than half as good as 640.

 

[Mr Bob]

"And the heat and power P4's suck is just not acceptable IMO. "
- Makes no difference if they work and you don't OC. I am not asking what is the better performance, I am asking the better price/performance.

"Don;t you already have one though ? "
- I have a 4400+ which I notice is a hell of a lot faster at multitasking than a crappy p4 3.2ghz, but also at an extra $300 almost.

"LOL and a 3400 destroys a 640"
- Can you back that up? Remember we are talking about business apps and not games.

"If you want to compare single cores do so"
- Ummm, read the title, what do you think I am wanting to compare?

"And if "doing quite well" is losing by alomst half in any multitask or multi threaded scenario"
- Losing by half? What benchmark are you looking at?!?

The only one I see that the x2 raped the p4 is in "Mozilla + Media Encoder" stats are 445 vs 666 (lower is better)

But if you use SMP aware programs daily, then the speed increase of the X2 will blow the P4 away.

- This seems to be what I have concluded after reading these benchmarks. Seems like if you plan on doing a significant amount of heavy processing time (such as encoding), then the x2 is a lot better. If you are just doing basic multitasking, then either should be fine, but the x2 will be fairly faster, but $120 worth it? Possibly not.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob


"LOL and a 3400 destroys a 640"
- Can you back that up? Remember we are talking about business apps and not games.
.

You really need to do your own research if you're gonna doubt what I say cause I don't have time to point out basics. Ignore all gaming and all synthetics and 3400 owns 640 and it only costs $150.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2429

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Mr Bob


"LOL and a 3400 destroys a 640"
- Can you back that up? Remember we are talking about business apps and not games.
.

You really need to do your own research if you're gonna doubt what I say cause I don't have time to point out basics. Ignore all gaming and all synthetics and 3400 owns 640 and it only costs $150.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2429

pwned....

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

There's a thing called google, where you can type in "Athlon 64 Pentium 4 benchmark" or something like that... And of course, there's Anandtech too, which has very accurate reviews and benchmarks.

 

[Mr Bob]

Originally posted by: Zebo

You really need to do your own research if you're gonna doubt what I say cause I don't have time to point out basics. Ignore all gaming and all synthetics and 3400 owns 640 and it only costs $150.

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2429

- I never said/thought it didn't beat that CPU, but I don't think that shows it "destroys it"

Guess you don't have anything to backup this:

"And if "doing quite well" is losing by alomst half in any multitask or multi threaded scenario"
- Losing by half? What benchmark are you looking at?!?

either, eh

Originally posted by: Markfw900

pwned....

-I've said it once, and I will say it again, f uck you. I laugh so hard when you replied with "The X2 3800 wins because it is faster." You didn't even understand why there is a comparison to begin with. You are the stupidest forumer I know with 6,000 posts. Its good to see you edited out your first post, made you look really stupid. I see so many threads of you being an asshole, people like you should just be banned.

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
There's a thing called google, where you can type in "Athlon 64 Pentium 4 benchmark" or something like that... And of course, there's Anandtech too, which has very accurate reviews and benchmarks.

- Google doesn't always give reliable information, unlike the Anand reviews on here. I did search for "x2 3800+ vs intel 3.2 640" and that didn't turn anything up.

 

[Markfw]

Mr Bob, I guess I can say the same, you are the stupidest poster period on these forums. I don't laugh, I just pity you. And you think you also have to put all the prices in your sig ? I think we all know how to look up prices. What a moron.

You want to resort to name calling, well, thats a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

And what does my post count have to do with anything ? I knew more than 99% of the people on this forum when I joined after 20 years of PC building, so with a post count of 1 I was supposed to be a noob ? And with 6000, I am supposed to be smart ? Wake up !

 

[Mr Bob]

I think we all know how to look up prices. What a moron.

- lol! The prices listed are not the current prices. They are what I paid, reminds me of how much I have spent on the computer.

And what does my post count have to do with anything ?

- The fact you could have 6,000 posts and still be unable to see what the OP is about lol.

And with 6000, I am supposed to be smart ?

- You would think that after 6,000 you should be able to reply to a post and actually be useful. Reread your posts, you were really helpful with your replies!

 

[Markfw]

Well, if you asked a question that required more than a six year old to answer, I would have some input. Notice that I am not the only one that think you need to use the search function here.

 

[Mr Bob]

The search function here sucks. People who know the market a lot better have an easier time trying to search through posts. Too many posters here start their thread with something that doesn't help those who are searching. Because of that, this forum will always contain duplicate posts.

My search criteria included 3800+ and p4 640

There should have been results for that, I was being very vague too. Nothing turned up, so I posted.

 

[Markfw]

Well, now I have some contructive input. You need to first read benchmarks on the anandtech main site, read. Go to other similar threads discussing performance and read them all. THEN if nothing shows up after you have "done your homework", a post is reasonable for questions that are not readily answered.

"doing your homework" is a lot more than just the search function, it is a little research. I don't find them all myself, but 99% of my questions are answered by reading 3-4 benchmarks at diferent sites every time new technology shows up. By then I have formed an opinion, and can discuss things rationally and intelligently.

In my case when I don;t see anything that answers my questions directly, like no OC'ed Pentium D to OC'ed X2 3800, both on air with reasonable components, I bought the 820D, just so I could answer my own questions, and others. I realize most people here don't have the disposable income that I do, to do things like this, but this is my hobby.

And thanks for finally not coming back with the "F You" attitude, then I can respond with something constructive, since you asked something constructive.

And lastly, nobody wants to know what you paid for every piece of your system, unless it was a hot deal, and then post that item in the "hot deals" forum.

 

[Mr Bob]

You need to first read benchmarks on the anandtech main site, read.

- If that benchmark was easily found I wouldn't have even had to start the thread. You are implying that my question was already answered on the forum, yet a search turns up ZERO results for what my question regards. It is always easy to search for something once you found it (by then you know what search phrases to use since they are in the article you just found).

And thanks for finally not coming back with the "F You" attitude, then I can respond with something constructive, since you asked something constructive.

- NP. When you get replies like "pwned" expect that kind of attitude.

And lastly, nobody wants to know what you paid for every piece of your system, unless it was a hot deal, and then post that item in the "hot deals" forum.

- The reasons I stated earlier are why I have them in my sig. Not because I think people want to know what I paid for the hardware.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

That was the most useless search query I've ever seen in my life. Not many real review articles will use the word "P4", but rather "Pentium 4". Google turns up tons of results. Ex: 3800+ vs 640, 3800+ vs many CPU's, including 660. The 660 is basically almost the same as the 640. Anandtech probably has plenty of benchmarks too, but you're obviously too lazy to find them. Also, your signature just shames yourself even more, because nobody esle would be stupid enough to waste so much money on 4 Raptors and put them in RAID 10...

 

[Leper Messiah]

Quit simply, the X2 should destroy the P4. And for single threaded performance, a 3200+ should be cheaper and better. This is an apples to oranges comparison that doesn't really make sense.

 

[Mr Bob]

" That was the most useless search query I've ever seen in my life."
- How was I supposed to know that the 3800+ would show reviews only when you search for it with a 660? I search for it with a 640 in the search terms, which sounds quite relevant (a lot more than searching by using a differenct CPU).

"Also, your signature just shames yourself even more, because nobody esle would be stupid enough to waste so much money on 4 Raptors and put them in RAID 10..."
- No it doesn't. I had the money to spend an extra bit of money on hard drives, why settle for something less, when you have money to spend? I actually made it exactly on what I wanted/could spend on the computer. The raptors were an excellent choice, they are so fast it is amazing.

"This is an apples to oranges comparison that doesn't really make sense."
- Yea it does, you basically end up paying an extra $120 for the x2 3800+. Is it worth it? Some might not want to spend the extra money, and wait until the prices go down some more. According to the benchmarks, the x2 3800+ beats the 640 in every test, but some tests are not that far from each other, and others are. I think if you do quite a bit of heavy encoding, the x2 is worth the money by far, but if you are just using it for photoshop and office apps, then the 640 might be the better deal.

 

[Markfw]

If you didn;t need dual-core, then The 3200 or 3500 or a better deal as posted above, since its less expensive and still beats the 640 in benchmarks. Why do you keep defending it ? And better yet, why do you care, since you have a 4400+ ?

 

[Mr Bob]

"Why do you keep defending it ?"
- Because I see no reason not to. If you are a multitasker, and don't do heavy encoding, then there might not be a reason for the x2 3800+. The x2 3800+ seems to significantly beat the 640 when you are doing a lot of multitasking w/ encoding. If you are not doing the encoding, then at the $230 price range, it might not be wise to spend another $120 for the x2 3800+. We're talking about price/performance here, not the overall better cpu.

"And better yet, why do you care, since you have a 4400+ ?"
- I'm helping a friend build a computer, who wanted to stick with his Intel P4 640 because it was better at multitasking. However, he couldn't find many Intel mobos that have more than 4 sata raid slots. Since he needs a lot of hard drive space, he might end up going with AMD just for that (raid cards are too expensive). I priced everything out and it seems like he is spending an extra $100 to get a mobo with 8 raid slots, compared to 2, and getting a much faster processor for multitasking. imo, since he wants all the hard drives, the AMD is by far the best way to go on this, however, the decision is up to him.

 

[Markfw]

I'm helping a friend build a computer, who wanted to stick with his Intel P4 640 because it was better at multitasking. However, he couldn't find many Intel mobos that have more than 4 sata raid slots. Since he needs a lot of hard drive space, he might end up going with AMD just for that (raid cards are too expensive). I priced everything out and it seems like he is spending an extra $100 to get a mobo with 8 raid slots, compared to 2, and getting a much faster processor for multitasking. imo, since he wants all the hard drives, the AMD is by far the best way to go on this, however, the decision is up to him.

You know, I think you would have gotten a lot of better responses by posting the reason for this in the first place....