Benchmarking

phillyman36

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I just did a benchmark with my rig

3d mark 05 3374
pc mark 05 4256

my setup
Amd x2-3800
1 gig corsair value ram
Asrocks dual sata 2
Bfg 6800 agp

Im just wondering how are my scores compared to others? Do they seem ok, slow or average?
 

Fern

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I could be wrong, but seems about right to me. But I've got a bit different gfx card and a completley different setup otherwise, so a bit difficult to judge.

Might do a search over in video. Likely when the 6800 came out peeps were benching & comparing.


EDIT: I'm talking about the 3D bench, I haven't run PC Mark

Fern
 

phillyman36

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No its not overclocked. And here i was about to get a pci express card and a Asus nforce 4 thinking my rig was slow
 

NaOH

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I got about 2500 on 3dMark2005 with my P4 2.66, 1Gb Corsair VS pc2700, 6800LE OC'ed, WD 160gb 7200


I also got 10000+ using the same rig in 3dMark03.

Just to give you some scores to compare to.
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: phillyman36
No its not overclocked. And here i was about to get a pci express card and a Asus nforce 4 thinking my rig was slow

3DMark05 is pretty much a GPU benchmark, and you could get a much higher number even with AGP by switching your video card and nothing else.

However, why do that? So you get a bigger benchmark number? That'd be silly. Base your decision on your satisfaction or wants for performance in your applications, not a synthetic benchmark that is otherwise meaningless. The benchmark is useful for judging different video cards; it is not useful for judging whether or not your performance is adequate for your own needs.
 

phillyman36

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Madwand1 you hit the nail on the head as far as whaat im trying to find out. How do i test my overall system performance(not just the video card) or is it just a thing where no test will tell you but everyday usage and the feel of it?
 

NaOH

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Those synthetic benchmarks do test your whole system (If you look at the summary of the benchmark it shows your CPU score too). Also, he might as well upgrade to PCI-E since cards are cheaper and faster. Plus so he could future proof.Why spend $200 bucks on a new agp when you could make a better investment and get a new mobo as well, there are many mobos that his cpu will fit since it is relatively new (socket 939).
 

Madwand1

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There is no such thing as a single universal benchmark that's meaningful in all cases, which is exactly why most such attempts are composites of various application benchmarks.

If you look at video card performance reviews for example, you'll see several different game benchmarks, and if you look closely, you'll see that although there is some pattern, there is no universal rule about performance -- you have to do the specific tests to find the relative standings; often cards interchange positions in different games.

So the biggest starting factor is what games / applications appeal to you, and how do you want to use them (eye candy vs. speed vs. desired resolution). Typically you need a certain threshold of speed in all cases, and you might be able to trade off some of that speed, against resolution first and eye candy second. If you're running LCD, then the fixed resolutoin can be a significant limitation and factor here. Conversely, it also typically stops you at 1280 x 960 or so, and you don't have to worry about 1600 x 1200 performance, etc.

Most games tend to be heavily GPU dependent, some more than others. For most games, an X2 3800 is plenty, and moreover, you can potentially overclock that to compete with the fastest non-overclocked processors (so it had better be fine in this case -- what are the game designers thinking if not so?)

You may be able to squeeze some more FPS with a faster processor, but typically you'd be able to do a lot more with a faster video card. The 6800 base is adequate, and sufficient in many cases, but there's been a lot more development beyond that, and you can get signficantly more performance / eye candy / resolution with faster video cards. Conversely, you can get a lot of actual gaming in with the 6800, if you don't go crazy with the resolutoins, etc. After a certain point, it's pretty much an game of increased resolution / eye candy, as all the cards can do the minminum sufficiently.

Do you need it? Do you want it? Do you want to pay for it?

If you decide you want to pay for it, then AGP vs. PCIe, 7800 vs. 7900 vs, 1900 vs waiting for DirectX 10, etc., etc., are good questions.

Going back to benchmarking, some games conveniently include their own benchmarking stubs. It's great when they do, because you can test the numerous options and tradeoffs directly. For others, you have to find a way to benchmark them; perhaps with 3rd party mods or applications (e.g. FRAPS), or just a seat-of-the-pants judgement based on ongoing gameplay, as most people do.
 

phillyman36

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Im not so much into the fps and gaming (thought i do like games like Real War) Why are some set ups faster at say encoding video that other set ups when the only thing they have different is the mobo. in general as i know there is no universal answer but usually what combo of hardware along with what adjustments will speed my Amd x2-3800 along? Does having 2 gigs (2 1 gig sticks of rams make a noticeable difference rather the 1 gig(2 512 sticks)

Ps thanks for everyones help on this as well
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: phillyman36
Madwand1 you hit the nail on the head as far as whaat im trying to find out. How do i test my overall system performance(not just the video card) or is it just a thing where no test will tell you but everyday usage and the feel of it?

Go over to a place like majorgeeks.com and look at all the free benchmarking tools they have available for d/l. You'll find stuff (diff proggies) for testing/benching GPU, CPU, hardrive, ram etc.

Sissoft Sandra tries to be a big all-inclusive bench proggie. Many don't like it, but its interesting if nothing else.

While I agree with much of what is said here about benchies, I would like to add that they can be useful in ensuring that your PC is setup properly. E.g., you haven't got a problem in BIOS which makes your hardrive run under PIO mode etc.

Fern
 

Madwand1

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Sorry, based on the relative proliferation here, and the 3DMark benchmark, I just assumed that fps / gaming was the likely priority.

I suggest hanging around in the CPU & Overclocking forum(s) for information on protentially improving your peformance. Beyond gaming, better video cards are not likely to improve performance. The X2 3800+ overclocks fairly easily, and that may well be the most cost-effective way of getting a performance improvement in many cases, at a cost of some time and effort, and perhaps something like a $30 CPU cooler (e.g. Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro). 2.4 GHz is a generally achievable sensible target.

I like Sandra -- it's easy to use, and has a ton of potentially useful information, and does tell you when your system / BIOS / software is misconfigured. I have one system that likes to automatically adjust the CPU multiplier down; might never have seen that without benchmarks / monitoring tools identifying that. Moreover, Sandra includes a reference database, where you can compare your results with other similar devices and see if anything's out of odds.

There are many many such tools. Encoding is appearing as a specific benchmark, so I suggest looking at CPU reviews where such benchmarks appear, and doing your own variations to improve your system where possible.

Does more RAM help? How? Tough question in genaral. That's something that's debated constantly here. The answer is that it depends, and an answer that I've given before in more detail is that you can judge this for yourself to some extent by monitoring your memory usage. Even then, you might not know beforehand that some application can go into a "more memory, aha!" mode and give you better performance even though it doesn't use up all your current memory.

Optimization is never a simple topic, and in fact, much of the power is in the software vendor's hands, and one dimension to explore is different applications, especially ones which are dual-processor optimized in this case. A great place to start, if available, are any performance suggestions / guidelines provided by the software vendor.