Benchmarking/Overclocking VS: Real World Use

SanDiegoPC

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I've been overclocking Intel Processors for years. My first I think, was a Celeron 300a which was a Slot-1 architecture processor that overclocked by 50% to 450MHz very easily. I used it for years.

My background before PC repair was hot-rodding and building fast cars. I still have an old Corvette with a very large engine and it's built MY way. And when I drive it, I drive it like I built it to-hard and fast. I will notice a very high RPM missfire that the average driver may never feel, just because of the way I drive it. When I build engines, I build with all new parts, and they HAVE to be the correct name brand or I won't trust it.

Now back to computers: My last build was a Quad Core 6600 that overclocked to 3.4GHz very well and I used it three years until building this i7 920. I always get the version of the processor that will Overclock by doing my homework on forums like this.

But here's the thing: I have NEVER had to use an aftermarket heatsink/fan. The Intel units have always worked for me. Now, I don't do MAX overclocking, but I always do enough to be able to feel a real-world day to day difference in performance.

Question: What is the point of temp monitoring & spending hundreds of dollars on high tech CPU coolers, if the only time they come into play is during testing? I can see if a machine is UBER overclocked and you are running 24 hours of Prime95. My hat is off to you.

But then, for the next year or two until the next gen processor comes out, that computer is going to be used for regular Windows applications and such. It will never run as hot as it did during that Prime95 testing.

My computer with this i7 processor runs GREAT. It's clocked at 3.4 and CoreTemp reports 55* at idle and 65* under load, processing images in Photoshop. I use special software also to combine & stack astronomy photos, which locks on to the position of as many stars as it can see in a field of view, and stacks the images so that when the telescope's camera shoots very dim targets the images can be processed.

These astro cameras produce very large images which get stacked by the dozens, to make faint objects show. Even during the stacking of 50 shots, each 1200x1600 pixels, and importing to Photoshop 64-bit, this CPU never gets above 65 degrees.

So here's my point and conclusion: This computer does not overheat in it's current overclocked state, using it the way I normally use it. It is now 30 days old and Win7 64 has never crashed. Sure, it may overheat using INtel's HSF if I try to use Prime95 for 24 hours or so.

But WHY BOTHER????? It runs cool, fast, and IT DOES EVERYTHING I NEED IT TO DO VERY WELL USING THE STOCK HSF. I don't need to clock it higher, or cool is cooler for what I use the computer for.

And I really don't think that most folks push their computers hard enough to need better cooling than Intel provides - unless they are constantly testing it.
 

Arkaign

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I think you answered your own question, what you have serves your needs fine by your description. This is a hobby for a lot of folks, and I do have to take a different look at one of your observations : most overclockers do NOT spend hundreds on a cooling setup. I'd guess the majority of overclockers use a sub-$60 HS/fan combo, with the minority of extreme types who use very exotic cooling.

For me and Intel processors, I've never liked the pushpin design. It invariably causes minor mobo flex, and they just generally seem to be iffy at best. Will they work stock? Sure. Will they OC to some degree? Sure. It just makes me a little more comfortable to have some better cooling on there. I also like to see lower temps if possible. High processor heat isn't just bad for the cpu you know ;) It causes a lot of secondary effects to the surrounding components.

With AMD stock coolers, given that they don't use that idiotic push-pin design, I rarely bother with aftermarket. My current PhII though, as I was pushing it into the upper 3ghz territory (from the stock 2.8ghz), I bought a $30 120mm tower heatpipe cooler. The difference between that and stock is astounding. Instead of temps in the mid 70c range at 3.5ghz, I see temps in the high 40s to low 50s. Just makes me happy. I also like the fact that I can actually run the system with the CPU fan disabled, and the heat dissipation from the heatsink assembly alone is enough for stable operation (although the temps go up to around the stock heatsink/fan combo). It's nice to know that even if you leave your system running, and the fan stops entirely for whatever reason, your system will probably be just fine and continue to complete whatever you have (download, encoding, folding, etc).

It's good that what you have/do works for you. The folks that want other options, let it be.
 

Arkaign

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Guess that's it, in a nutshell huh?

Yep :)

Cheers!

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Marty502

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I could do my overclock with the AMD stock fan. But that fan and heatsink were noisier (which I care a lot about, my rig is almost silent) and temps would definitely be higher, which doesn't really matter but it's still something nice to have.

My chip idles at 33-35ºC and load with dual Prime95 is around 50-52ºC. Sweet numbers and the fans barely ramp up.
 
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Hyperlite

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Yep :)

Cheers!

beer.jpg

so are you stockpiling images to replace fusetalk emoticons too???!!! :)


I agree OP. running prime or IBT or whatever for 24 hours is way overkill in my opinion. i usually don't do more than an hour, and call it good.
 
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zagood

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For me...

#1 - noise.
#2 - highest stable overclock possible.
#3 - noise.

So, yeah, noise is a big deal for me. Arkaign is correct, spending hundreds of dollars isn't the normal overclocker's MO. The ones that do have their own reasons, whether it be noise, max overclock, pure hobby, e-peen, etc.

You're on what's basically a hardware forum, built by/for enthusiasts. Most of the time if something "just works" it's not good enough for us. For those forums you can go to discussions.apple.com.
 

SanDiegoPC

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NOISE: LOL this case has four fans in front, drawing air in over the hard drive and the RAM. One more in the side blows air into the stock HSF and one more fan in the back for exhaust.

Oh, yea and the 750W Thermaltake has two fans built in, as well.

Perhaps that's why it overclocks and doesn't get hot. But this is my second build in this case with those fans ... and if I get half as much reliable use out of this CPU/Board combo as I did with the Quad 6600, I'll be happy.

I think we've actually reached the effective limit on Windows speed for day to day use. Sure, SSD drives may boot or shut down faster. But still, Windows is Windows and for that matter, same with the Internet. No matter HOW FAST your computer is, if your'e trying to get to a website that's on an overloaded server, it's going to be slow.

More and more of my clients these days don't even differentiate between their computer speed and their browser speed. They call me telling me the computer is slow, and when I get there I find out that it's their DSL connection and not the PC.

But heck at least they are still calling me ...

Paul in Bright, sunny, warm San Diego
 

zagood

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heh...yeah, that would kill me. But going from your original question, did those fans come stock, or did you buy them? ;)

I find that on machines using older software, sure, you can get away with much lower hardware requirements. Newer software/os features can tax your system quite a bit more. For the average user you can go back almost 2-3 generations in hardware, but throw in a heavy XLS file and they'll feel it.

Stock up on Docsis 3.0 modems. Cox rollout should be complete in the next few months.

Zach in the same Bright, sunny, warm San Diego.
 

aigomorla

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But here's the thing: I have NEVER had to use an aftermarket heatsink/fan. The Intel units have always worked for me. Now, I don't do MAX overclocking, but I always do enough to be able to feel a real-world day to day difference in performance.

so when you drop a large turbo do you forget to install the intercooler as well?
(do people even need large turbos?)

When you get a super charger? do you keep your headers small?
(are super chargers even needed?)

When you get a larger engine, do you keep the same radiator?
(Your NOT GREEN!!! HYBRID FTW?)

Bascially in car terms your saying this.
 

Mothergoose729

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Not really the topic, but if you i7 is a D0 stepping then you are probably more then stable at 3.4ghz at stock volts. I know people who have OC'ed their i7 to 4.0ghz and undervolted by a few hundreds and still maintained stability, even under prime95.
 

Hyperlite

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so when you drop a large turbo do you forget to install the intercooler as well?
(do people even need large turbos?)

When you get a super charger? do you keep your headers small?
(are super chargers even needed?)

When you get a larger engine, do you keep the same radiator?
(Your NOT GREEN!!! HYBRID FTW?)

Bascially in car terms your saying this.

well yeah, unless you happen to have, say, a Volvo 850 T5/R, in which case the stock intercooler is big enough to cool a 50mm or so turbo...but i digress.... and big turbo's definitely have a place in the aftermarket...you can putt around town and stay off boost, but when you make that thing spool...you better watch out. :D :D

dammit aigo why did you have to start talking about cars!!! :D
 

BD231

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Being that I could probably crash your computer with little more than two web browsers, I don't see much reason to be proud of yourself for sticking with cost cutting garbage.

Lazy overclockers wont do, protect your investments!
 

Duvie

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This topic gets rehashed once every few months....

I OC when I am bored....I have never prematurely killed anything so I dont view OCnig as much of a risk for myself...

Problem is I cannot find many things I do to take advantage of my Qx6700@3.2ghz already. So often I dont OC and let the system run with fans turned down and undervolted....