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Micrornd

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even if it does, you won't be able to afford Server 2016 licence...
Why would you bother?
Windows 10 Pro supports 2 cpus and up to 256 cores, 2tb ram
Windows 10 Pro for Workstations supports 4 cpus, 256 cores and up to 6tb ram
And those are real cores, hyper-threads are twice that amount.
 

sdifox

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Why would you bother?
Windows 10 Pro supports 2 cpus and up to 256 cores, 2tb ram
Windows 10 Pro for Workstations supports 4 cpus, 256 cores and up to 6tb ram
And those are real cores, hyper-threads are twice that amount.

Cuz I need a server to replace my 2012 datacenter eventually?
 

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Server 2019 essentials is $501. If I really needed it, I could afford it, as I already have $4k in that box with 64 cores. But it is doing what I need right now, and I don't want to spend days playing with this software just to prove a point. I think the 3960x proved it. My 64 cores are about the same as the 32 of the 3970x.
 
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Micrornd

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Cuz I need a server to replace my 2012 datacenter eventually?
Yeah, I used to think that way, way back when. :oops:
Then you need to ask yourself, how could one individual actually honestly need a datacenter server OS or even a server OS?
 

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Yeah, I used to think that way, way back when. :oops:
Then you need to ask yourself, how could one individual actually honestly need a datacenter server OS or even a server OS?
If you have an EPYC system with 64 to 128 cores that only supports server OS's ?

Like me ?
 
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@Hulk

Nice chart! but the 1700 (1700x/1800x) is an 8 core 16 thread CPU. The 1600 (1600x) is the 6 core 12 thread CPU in the 1xxx family.
 

Micrornd

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If you have an EPYC system with 64 to 128 cores that only supports server OS's ?
Like me ?
Then you use Windows 10 Pro for Workstations (or Windows 10 Enterprise, if you're a sadist :) )
Both have been available since at least 11/2017 and support up to 4 cpus of Xeon or AMD flavor (including EPYC)
Up to 256 (real) cores and up to 6tb ram
I sincerely doubt your system is outside those specs, right ;)
 

sdifox

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Yeah, I used to think that way, way back when. :oops:
Then you need to ask yourself, how could one individual actually honestly need a datacenter server OS or even a server OS?


I have a datacenter licence because it allowed me to spawn a lot of vm server 2012? Otherwise I would have to licence some other version of windows on top of the datacenter licence.

I do do work on it, not purely a toy.

I did buy 2 eaton 5kva active ups plus 4 battery modules and 2 44u racks from a production company auction :awe:. Integration is still WIP.

Eventually I should be able to turn off the furnance and just circulate air through my stack for home heating :awe:

IMG_20191014_165051.jpg
 
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sdifox

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Server 2019 essentials is $501. If I really needed it, I could afford it, as I already have $4k in that box with 64 cores. But it is doing what I need right now, and I don't want to spend days playing with this software just to prove a point. I think the 3960x proved it. My 64 cores are about the same as the 32 of the 3970x.

Oh I didn't mean you personally. Was more commenting on MS licensing.

Think about 44U stack of 64 core x2 1u servers.
 
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Micrornd

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I have a datacenter licence because it allowed me to spawn a lot of vm server 2012? Otherwise I would have to licence some other version of windows on top of the datacenter licence.
Yep, that's where you lose me.
$1000+ for 2012 Datacenter for home use?
And then your upgrade path is 2016 or 2019 Datacenter versions. Have you priced those?
How many VMs do you really need for working at home and must they be Server?

If they don't need to be Server vm's, you could just run Hyper-V in Windows 10 and licensed Windows VMs.
(Windows 10 as with other Windows versions (other than Datacenter) has a hardcoded limit of 1024 vm's, I'm pretty sure that is enough for you)
Legit keys are cheap for Windows 7 and 8, and still allow free upgrades to Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.

I just hate to see people waste money on an OS, that could be put into hardware ;)
 

Micrornd

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HandBrake 1.1.0 64bit
OS: Windows 10 Pro for Workstations
CPU: 2 - Xeon 8260L ES 2.3ghz/3.9ghz
Ram: 48GB DDR4 2400 running @ 2933
GPU Information: AMD Radeon VII
Motherboard - Asus WS C621E SAGE
In Handbrake 1.1.0 - encoded 1806 frames in 156.99s (11.50 fps), 11820.04 kb/s, Avg QP:29.09
 

sdifox

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Yep, that's where you lose me.
$1000+ for 2012 Datacenter for home use?
And then your upgrade path is 2016 or 2019 Datacenter versions. Have you priced those?
How many VMs do you really need for working at home and must they be Server?

If they don't need to be Server vm's, you could just run Hyper-V in Windows 10 and licensed Windows VMs.
(Windows 10 as with other Windows versions (other than Datacenter) has a hardcoded limit of 1024 vm's, I'm pretty sure that is enough for you)
Legit keys are cheap for Windows 7 and 8, and still allow free upgrades to Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.

I just hate to see people waste money on an OS, that could be put into hardware ;)

Your needs are not the same as my needs. I am simulating multiple dc and sites. I actually don't need higher end server right now since like you said, I am one guy. But eventually I will need to get out of 2012 and probably will be on an off lease Epyc Rome 64 core.
 

Micrornd

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Your needs are not the same as my needs. I am simulating multiple dc and sites. I actually don't need higher end server right now since like you said, I am one guy. But eventually I will need to get out of 2012 and probably will be on an off lease Epyc Rome 64 core.
Got it.
Was just trying to help ;)
 

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Updated.
If you see a mistake just post it and I'll correct.
Also if your frequency is missing post it and I'll update.
RankUserCPUGHzsecondsfpsGHz/fpsArchitecture
1DaPoets3960X 24/48?
123.66​
14.60​
Zen 2
2Micromd2 - Xeon 8260L ES 48/96
3.9​
156.99​
11.50​
0.339​
Cascade Lake
3Bavor3950x 16/32?
169.73​
10.64​
Zen 2
4KjboughtonE5-2696 2x18 36/72
3.99​
174.06​
10.38​
0.385​
Broadwell
5KjboughtonE5-2696 2x16 32/32 (no HT)
3.99​
192.66​
9.37​
0.426​
Broadwell
6DrMrLordX3900x 12/24
4.1​
198.75​
9.09​
0.451​
Zen 2
7rvborghQuad Opteron (48xK10)
3​
200​
9.03​
0.332​
?
8Cata407840xe 18/36
3.4​
211​
8.56​
0.397​
Skylake
9Fir2990WX 32/64
4.1​
216.35​
8.35​
0.491​
Zen+
10Markfw1950x 16/32
3.8​
242.49​
7.45​
0.510​
Zen
11mrpiggyE5-2699 18/36
3.7​
253.41​
7.13​
0.519​
Haswell
12eek21211950x 16/32
4.1​
254.04​
7.11​
0.577​
Zen
13LexingtonianQuad Opteron 6386
3.5​
275.66​
6.55​
0.534​
Piledriver
14CricketSP9900k 8/16
4.9​
281.8​
6.41​
0.765​
Coffee Lake
15kmm00009900k 8/16
3.6​
290.96​
6.21​
0.580​
Coffee Lake
19CricketSP9900k 8/16
4.7​
291.87​
6.19​
0.760​
Coffee Lake
16Makaveli3800x 8/164.9
292.4​
6.18​
0.793​
Zen 2
17TillausHamburgXeon ES QL1L 20/40
2​
297.54​
6.07​
0.330​
Skylake SP
18sdifox3700x 8/16?
306.52​
5.89​
Zen 2
20Chaotic429700k 8/8
5​
311.03​
5.81​
0.861​
Coffee Lake
21XabanakFanatik5960x 8/16
4.7​
319.84​
5.65​
0.832​
Haswell
22DooKey7820X 8/16
4.5​
320.75​
5.63​
0.799​
Skylake
23epsilon 848700K 8/16 (5/4.9)
5​
340.42​
5.31​
0.942​
Coffee Lake
24JoeRambo8700k 8/16 (4.8/4.4)
4.8​
342.38​
5.27​
0.910​
Coffee Lake
25mjdupuis8700k 8/16 (4.8/4.8)
4.8​
347.5​
5.20​
0.924​
Coffee Lake
26IEC8700K 8/16 (4.7/4.7)
4.7​
359.41​
5.02​
0.935​
Coffee Lake
27CakeMonster8700k 8/16 (4.9/4.6)
4.9​
379.09​
4.76​
1.029​
Coffee Lake
28cmdrdredd8700K 8/16 (4.7/4.5)
4.7​
386.65​
4.67​
1.006​
Coffee Lake
29rgba8700 8/16
4.3​
387.57​
4.66​
0.923​
Coffee Lake
30MarkfwE5-2696v3 14/28
2.5​
394.29​
4.58​
0.546​
Broadwell
31Markfw2700x 8/16
4.1​
404.44​
4.47​
0.918​
Zen+
32Dan057Ryzen 2700 8/16?
410.08​
4.40​
Zen+
33lightmanekRyzen 7 2700x 8/16
4​
414.34​
4.36​
0.918​
Zen+
34.vodkaRyzen 1700x 8/16
3.95​
416.04​
4.34​
0.910​
Zen
35pjmssnDual Xeon E5-2690 16/32
2.9​
416.47​
4.34​
0.669​
Sandy Bridge EP
36Bburninatortech42700x 8/16?
423.9​
4.26​
Zen+
37Franz3162700x 8/16
3.8​
429.95​
4.20​
0.905​
Zen+
38.vodkaRyzen 1700x 8/16
3.8​
430.69​
4.19​
0.906​
Zen
39AnnoyedGruntRyzen 7 2700x 8/16
4.1​
430.94​
4.19​
0.978​
Zen+
40richaronRyzen 1700 6/12 (Ubuntu 18.04)
3.7​
434.68​
4.15​
0.891​
Zen
41CrackRabbit2700x 8/16
3.8​
440.29​
4.10​
0.926​
Zen+
42DespoilerRyzen 1700 6/12
3.9​
444.03​
4.07​
0.959​
Zen
43dfentonRyzen 1700 6/12
3.7​
476.9​
3.79​
0.977​
Zen
44William GaatjesRyzen 2600 6/12 (memory 3200)
3.6​
519.91​
3.47​
1.036​
Zen
45mjdupuisRyzen 2600x 6/12
4.2​
520.3​
3.47​
1.210​
Zen+
46ChippyUKi5-8400 6/6
4​
558.91​
3.23​
1.238​
Coffee Lake
47ywasmdi5 8400 6/6
4​
562.68​
3.21​
1.246​
Coffee Lake
48William GaatjesRyzen 2600 6/12 (memory 2933)
3.6​
577.26​
3.13​
1.151​
Zen
49gamervivekRyzen 1600 6/12
3.5​
593.1​
3.05​
1.149​
Zen
50CronoReverse4790k 4/8
4.5​
644.52​
2.80​
1.606​
Haswell
51jones3774770K 4/8 core
3.9​
768.63​
2.35​
1.660​
Haswell
52Nathan Gall4770K 4/8 core
3.5​
775.24​
2.33​
1.502​
Haswell
53Hulk4770K 4/8 core
3.9​
788.6463​
2.29​
1.703​
Haswell
54Junky228Xeon w3690 6/12
4​
886.67​
2.04​
1.964​
Westmere EP
55Imported_stryfe2600k 4/8
4.5​
951.72​
1.90​
2.371​
Sandy Bridge
56Bubbleawsomei5-7300HQ (laptop) 4/4
3.2​
1022.42​
1.77​
1.812​
Kaby Lake
57Hulk8250u 4/8 (Surface 2 laptop)
2.5​
1067.13​
1.69​
1.477​
Kaby Lake R
58NickatNight1980FX8320 4/8
4.16​
1117.63​
1.62​
2.574​
Piledriver
59mylesromi5-3570 4/4
3.8​
1399.56​
1.29​
2.945​
Ivy Bridge
60dfentoni5-3570s 4/4
3.6​
1586.81​
1.14​
3.163​
Ivy Bridge
61Imported_stryfei5-750 4/4
2.8​
2012.8​
0.90​
3.121​
Lynnfield
62Slim FanPentium Silver J5005 (NUK) 4/4
2.8​
2631.13​
0.69​
4.079​
Goldmont Plus
63PeterScottCore 2 Quad Q9400 4/4
3.2​
2655.1​
0.68​
4.704​
Yorkfield
64ywasmdi5 3210 (Macbook Pro) 2/4
3.1​
3144.79​
0.57​
5.398​
Ivy Bridge
65Fanatical MeatQ9650 4/4
3​
3439.2​
0.53​
5.713​
Yorkfield
66dfentonCeleron N3450 (laptop) 4/4
2.2​
5099.43​
0.35​
6.212​
Apollo Lake
67dfentonCeleron 2957U 2/2
1.4​
6027.14​
0.30​
4.672​
Haswell
 
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sdifox

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huh, re-ran it today, didn't change anything, I don't remember if I was writing to local drive last time, but I wrote to same dir this time. Stock 3700X, I wouldn't know what clock it encoded in.
3.6/ 4.4
encoded 1806 frames in 287.06s (6.29 fps), 10567.33 kb/s, Avg QP:28.58
 
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Hulk

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huh, re-ran it today, didn't change anything, I don't remember if I was writing to local drive last time, but I wrote to same dir this time. Stock 3700X, I wouldn't know what clock it encoded in.

encoded 1806 frames in 287.06s (6.29 fps), 10567.33 kb/s, Avg QP:28.58
Right-click taskbar>Task Manager>Performance tab
Watch the transcode for a minute or so and report your average CPU load.
 
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sdifox

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swings from 3.88 to 4.12, call it 3.94GHz

encoded 1806 frames in 284.16s (6.36 fps), 10567.33 kb/s, Avg QP:28.58

why is the number going up lol
 

Makaveli

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swings from 3.88 to 4.12, call it 3.94GHz

encoded 1806 frames in 284.16s (6.36 fps), 10567.33 kb/s, Avg QP:28.58

why is the number going up lol
it will never be your full boost clock so for all cores just over 4Ghz sounds about right.

I also notice the scores move up and down abit so best to run 3 then take the average
 

aclos3

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AMD Ryzen 3600x
32 Gb DDR4 3600 (16-19-19-39)
Asus x570 TUF Gaming Plus (DOCP profile for memory)

encoded 1806 frames in 367.20s (4.92 fps), 11820.04 kb/s, Avg QP:29.09
 

thesmokingman

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HandBrake 1.1.0 (2018040700) - 64bit
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0 - 64bit
CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor
Ram: 65398 MB,
GPU Information:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 26.21.14.4166
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 26.21.14.4166
Screen: 3840x2160

encoded 1806 frames in 106.81s (16.91 fps), 11820.04 kb/s, Avg QP:29.09
 

Hulk

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HandBrake 1.1.0 (2018040700) - 64bit
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0 - 64bit
CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor
Ram: 65398 MB,
GPU Information:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 26.21.14.4166
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 26.21.14.4166
Screen: 3840x2160

encoded 1806 frames in 106.81s (16.91 fps), 11820.04 kb/s, Avg QP:29.09
Frequency while running the test?
 

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