[Benchlife] R9 480 (Polaris 10 >100w), R9

[tential]

That's fine when the cards are closely priced.

Then again, NV fans will justify anything. Remember 770 2GB-4GB for $380-$450 vs. $299 280X.

My favourite will be how NV fans will start recommending the much more expensive 1070 but for the entire duration of 960's existence when R9 290 after-market cards were going for $50-80 more they ignored R9 290 at all costs. :sneaky:

Anyway, using all the logic you presented, everything you've positioned is that lower end gamers will wait for 1050/1060/1060Ti while higher end gamers will skip Polaris 10 and go straight towards 1070/1080. Using your arguments then, no matter what people will choose NV over AMD.

How do you explain then AMD getting destroyed in the sub-$300 markets since February 2014 even before 970/980 even showed up? You continue to deny this fact. AMD lost the most market share to cards other than 970/980/980Ti. It is precisely why they are going in first with Polaris 10/11.

I explain AMD getting destroyed in the sub-$300 market because of Nvidia marketing. Straight up, people picked Kepler over the HD7000 series. That GTX 770 sold like hotcakes. I was waiting for the GTX 770 to drop, before I got my HD7950, in fact you were in threads suggesting the card to me.

Want to know how many people ate the Nvidia hype and bought cards like the GTX 770?

My argument is simple. AMD needs focus on selling their products, not making products. P10 being beaten to market by larger dies like the 1070/1080 is just never going to win AMD share.

I've said it before RS, if AMD wants to gain marketshare, they had to release first with Polaris 10. My confidence in AMD doing well this generation has always hinged on them releasing first. Being second to market, Nvidia will try to make it so that the average gamer doesn't even hear of P10.

 

[RussianSensation]

My argument is simple. AMD needs focus on selling their products, not making products.

Ya, that means locking in contracts with OEMs. If 1050-1060Ti are nowhere to be found in June-July, then who gets to sell Polaris 10/11 for the entire summer? What if NV's GP106/107 don't show up until Fall 2016?

I've said it before RS, if AMD wants to gain marketshare, they had to release first with Polaris 10. My confidence in AMD doing well this generation has always hinged on them releasing first. Being second to market, Nvidia will try to make it so that the average gamer doesn't even hear of P10.[/QUOTE]

The generation lasts 1.5-2 years though. The $300 and above market sold just 6 million GPUs in all of 2015.

"The total number of AIBs sold in 2015 was 50 million compared to 44 million in 2014."

https://jonpeddie.com/press-release...nts-increased-in-2015-while-all-else-declined

That means the market segments that 1070/1080 are targeting don't even cover 15% of the entire dGPU market. By definition then, what does Polaris 10/11 cover? The other 85%. If the market truly cares about perf/watt as we are led to believe by the media and people on online forums, then if NV has nothing other than $379 and above card, Polaris 10/11 should beat the entire GTX950/960 stack for 2-3 months. This assumes NV's GP106/107 are not launching until fall and AMD has cards in June.

If AMD cannot deliver high volume of Polaris chips in June/July, well then their entire strategy is a disaster as there won't be much time before NV responds with 1050-1060Ti cards.

 

[maddie]

"The total number of AIBs sold in 2015 was 50 million compared to 44 million in 2014."

https://jonpeddie.com/press-release...nts-increased-in-2015-while-all-else-declined
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I think you're misreading the chart. Total AIB has been dropping.

 

[Azix]

I think you're misreading the chart. Total AIB has been dropping.

pretty small.

The total number of AIBs sold in 2015 was 50 million compared to 44 million in 2014. Of these, about 5.9 million are enthusiast level AIBs (add-in boards / discreet graphics cards) shipped in 2015 compared to 2.9 million in 2014. That rise in enthusiast AIB shipments, while the PC and overall AIB market was declining, was due to the great new games that were brought out in 2015. And, even though neither AMD or Nvidia introduced any killer new AIBs in 2015, sales went up. This is paramount proof that the enthusiasts and their followers want, and will pay for great games and hardware if it is compelling.

 

[swilli89]

I think we have AMD going on record that Polaris will have higher core clock frequency than anything they've done so far....

Listen at 0:34
https://youtu.be/5g3eQejGJ_A?t=34s

"We uplifted the frequency of the product".

 

[gamervivek]

When the first really true dx12 titles land in a year and start hammering those ace pascal is going to look worse than kepler and a polaris 10 will be faster than a 1080.

Remember what zlatan said. Pascal is more like tahiti in regards to asynch design.

I'll take sebbbi's word over zlatan,

sebbbi said: ↑
This is a great improvement. However still not as good as GCN 1.0...

I think we have AMD going on record that Polaris will have higher core clock frequency than anything they've done so far....

Listen at 0:34
https://youtu.be/5g3eQejGJ_A?t=34s

"We uplifted the frequency of the product".

Well, how much? If P10 has a Hawaii like configuration(shaders, TMUs and ROPs) and say gets a 10% boost in IPC, it'd need to be around 20% better in clockspeeds than a 390X to get clear of Fury X.

If AMD can reach where the maxwell cards could overclock to with ease on 28nm(1.4Ghz) that'd be grand. If they're breaking their own records, then it'd be a tough ride.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think we have AMD going on record that Polaris will have higher core clock frequency than anything they've done so far....

Right now the rumoured 850-1050mhz clocks make no sense to me. If 1070 is supposedly a 150W TDP card with a 300-330mm2 die size and surely has 1.6-1.7Ghz Boost but Polaris 10 maxes out at 1050mhz with a smaller die but TDP is 110-130W? Rumours don't make any sense.

It is very strange that AMD has been stuck at 1050mhz for 4.5 years now.

I also find it very unusual that there are so many R9 390 cards still in stock on Newegg.

Visiontek Radeon R9 390 = 83
GIGABYTE Radeon R9 390 = 300
PowerColor PCS+ Radeon R9 390 = 300
XFX R9 390 = 300
MSI Radeon R9 390 = 300

If Polaris 10 is launching 1st week of June in retail, how do they plan on selling 1200-1300 R9 390 cards on Newegg for $300+?

 

[swilli89]

Right now the rumoured 850-1050mhz clocks make no sense to me. If 1070 is supposedly a 150W TDP card with a 300-330mm2 die size and surely has 1.6-1.7Ghz Boost but Polaris 10 maxes out at 1050mhz with a smaller die but TDP is 110-130W? Rumours don't make any sense.

It is very strange that AMD has been stuck at 1050mhz for 4.5 years now.

I also find it very unusual that there are so many R9 390 cards still in stock on Newegg.

Visiontek Radeon R9 390 = 83
GIGABYTE Radeon R9 390 = 300
PowerColor PCS+ Radeon R9 390 = 300
XFX R9 390 = 300
MSI Radeon R9 390 = 300

If Polaris 10 is launching 1st week of June in retail, how do they plan on selling 1200-1300 R9 390 cards on Newegg for $300+?

Ugh, I really hope GF didn't fail them. And yeah it is really odd how their clockspeeds have remained capped.

 

[Azix]

Right now the rumoured 850-1050mhz clocks make no sense to me. If 1070 is supposedly a 150W TDP card with a 300-330mm2 die size and surely has 1.6-1.7Ghz Boost but Polaris 10 maxes out at 1050mhz with a smaller die but TDP is 110-130W? Rumours don't make any sense.

It is very strange that AMD has been stuck at 1050mhz for 4.5 years now.

I also find it very unusual that there are so many R9 390 cards still in stock on Newegg.

Visiontek Radeon R9 390 = 83
GIGABYTE Radeon R9 390 = 300
PowerColor PCS+ Radeon R9 390 = 300
XFX R9 390 = 300
MSI Radeon R9 390 = 300

If Polaris 10 is launching 1st week of June in retail, how do they plan on selling 1200-1300 R9 390 cards on Newegg for $300+?

hence why information is so scarce.

that quantity isn't that much though. would need to know what other stores have.

 

[book_ed]

It is very strange that AMD has been stuck at 1050mhz for 4.5 years now.

Well, Hawaii had lots of DP in it (if you look over the specs, the gaming card is the same with the PRO card a 1:2 ratio) and Fury got more cores instead of higher speed. Without a major redesign that would made a gaming only card, there is no way they could get higher clocks for the same amount of power consumption - where AMD got hammered by nVIDIA.

 

[USER8000]

Right now the rumoured 850-1050mhz clocks make no sense to me. If 1070 is supposedly a 150W TDP card with a 300-330mm2 die size and surely has 1.6-1.7Ghz Boost but Polaris 10 maxes out at 1050mhz with a smaller die but TDP is 110-130W? Rumours don't make any sense.

It is very strange that AMD has been stuck at 1050mhz for 4.5 years now.

I also find it very unusual that there are so many R9 390 cards still in stock on Newegg.

Visiontek Radeon R9 390 = 83
GIGABYTE Radeon R9 390 = 300
PowerColor PCS+ Radeon R9 390 = 300
XFX R9 390 = 300
MSI Radeon R9 390 = 300

If Polaris 10 is launching 1st week of June in retail, how do they plan on selling 1200-1300 R9 390 cards on Newegg for $300+?

There are 300 of this AIO water cooled GTX980TI which costs $740:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487144&ignorebbr=1

126 of this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125837&ignorebbr=1

74 of this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127889&ignorebbr=1

229 of this one:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487076&ignorebbr=1

300 of this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487146&ignorebbr=1

132 of this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125803&ignorebbr=1

There are others,but there are are at least 1200 GTX980TI cards on there too,with the GTX1080 and GTX1070 reviews being released next week,and the GTX1070 is at least going to match the GTX980TI at a lower price. People buying the GTX980TI want the best performance,so they will be buying the GTX1070 and GTX1080.

 

[selni]

<snip>

That's fine when the cards are closely priced.

Then again, NV fans will justify anything. Remember 770 2GB-4GB for $380-$450 vs. $299 280X.

My favourite will be how NV fans will start recommending the much more expensive 1070 but for the entire duration of 960's existence when R9 290 after-market cards were going for $50-80 more they ignored R9 290 at all costs.

Anyway, using all the logic you presented, everything you've positioned is that lower end gamers will wait for 1050/1060/1060Ti while higher end gamers will skip Polaris 10 and go straight towards 1070/1080. Using your arguments then, no matter what people will choose NV over AMD.

How do you explain then AMD getting destroyed in the sub-$300 markets since February 2014 even before 970/980 even showed up? You continue to deny this fact. AMD lost the most market share to cards other than 970/980/980Ti. It is precisely why they are going in first with Polaris 10/11.



Ya and initially NV is launching $450 1070. That's nowhere close to 970's price. When 970 came out, literally the first day you could buy some cards for $329.99. Unless somehow suddenly people start paying $400-450 for GPUs, then I don't see how the 1070 will suddenly sell more than the entire Polaris 10 stack.

RRP for the 770 2GB was $329 shortly after the R280X launched at $300 and finding AMD cards at RRP became very hard not long after launch thanks to the litecoin crazy. Combine that with the 770 being pretty close in anything not very new even now and it wasn't as bad as you're suggesting there. It tanks vs GCN in new compute heavy games now though sure, and if you bought the 4GB version (which was >$100 more or something stupid), you'd feel pretty bad.

I dunno how the 960 managed to sell against the 290 though, they're not even close. The stupid reference cooler review circus hurt them, but surely not *that* much? NVidia's lineup below the x70 point has been really weak for a few generations now, could be interesting if that's where polaris does end up positioned price-wise.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I dunno how the 960 managed to sell against the 290 though, they're not even close. The stupid reference cooler review circus hurt them, but surely not *that* much? NVidia's lineup below the x70 point has been really weak for a few generations now, could be interesting if that's where polaris does end up positioned price-wise.

Where I live the 960 never competed with the 290. In fact for a while the 960 was cheaper than the 285 and came with the witcher 3.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I'll take sebbbi's word over zlatan,

how about we actually quote what he has said.....

I can't say to much on this topic, but Pascal will be an improvement over Maxwell especially at this feature. But no, it won't have GCN-like capabilities. It will be close to GCN 1.0, but nothing more.

there opinions seem to be pretty aligned.....