Ben Roethlisberger - Highly overrated?

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He had a QB rating in the 30's during Superbowl XL. He's proven time and time again that when the game is put onto his shoulders, he crumbles. Why do people hype this guy up?
 

Miramonti

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As a quarterback, the game is always on your shoulders because its easy to lose it with untimely mistakes. I don't think he's great, but success makes everyone look better, and he's ahead of his time in maturity imo (but not talent).

 

Chloraseptic

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maybe because of his record of wins/losses since becoming a starter. and don't give me the tired excuse of his team carries him. he does what the team needs him to do, manage the game, and make the occasional play. he's not going to put up farve or marino numbers, but he's already got a championship in his 3rd? year.
 

mpitts

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Quarterbacks get too much credit when they win and absorb too much of the blame when they lose.

That's why.
 

miniMUNCH

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Always cracks when the game is on his shoulders...Oh, you mean like the during the AFC playoffs last year on the road in Cincy, Indy, and Denver?

He's had some bad games and has made some huge mistakes in those games...but he is not a bad QB.

But...he is no Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, etc. Ben is definitely not a pro bowl caliber QB as of yet.
 

TheoPetro

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Originally posted by: Chloraseptic
maybe because of his record of wins/losses since becoming a starter. and don't give me the tired excuse of his team carries him. he does what the team needs him to do, manage the game, and make the occasional play. he's not going to put up farve or marino numbers, but he's already got a championship in his 3rd? year.

how can you say "dont say his team carries him" and "champinship in his 3rd year"

how can you give him the credit for a championship. here are some points to think about...

their O line was Fing amazing. He had forever to throw the ball

Hines ward and randel el. when you have 2 people that can get open and get yards after the catch like them then you better complete some passes.

the running game with bettis was insane. anytime they needed short yard conversions (except the playoff game where they almost lost because of his fumble) they gave the ball to bettis and he almost garenteed it.

their defence was pretty damn good with palamalu (sp? cant we just call him bob?). this gave the offence alot mroe time on the field and alot more chances to take forever and throw a pass to a nice wide open reciever.

his team did carry him. He is overrated. Some times you jsut have to accept that.

he isnt a "bad" QB but he is nowhere near what people make him out to be.
 

JMoore

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highly overrated no, overrated yes.

Ben was the benefit of a kickass running game his rookie season and so far this year we havent seen that...yet.
 

Queasy

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Roethlisberger is still messed up I think. He had a bad off-season in multiple ways. He was running a fever of 105 degrees his first game back. He shouldn't of even been in there IMHO. I get loopy at 102 degrees...At 105 degrees I don't want any one speaking near me much less trying to bury my upper body in the ground

Still, this is only his third year in the league. I don't think he'll be a huge fantasy numbers type of QB but he'll be solid as long as he has a good ground game behind him. However, he has many more offseasons like this last one and he'll be lucky to be eligible for the NFL pension plan.
 

JMoore

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Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: Chloraseptic
maybe because of his record of wins/losses since becoming a starter. and don't give me the tired excuse of his team carries him. he does what the team needs him to do, manage the game, and make the occasional play. he's not going to put up farve or marino numbers, but he's already got a championship in his 3rd? year.

how can you say "dont say his team carries him" and "champinship in his 3rd year"

how can you give him the credit for a championship. here are some points to think about...

their O line was Fing amazing. He had forever to throw the ball

Hines ward and randel el. when you have 2 people that can get open and get yards after the catch like them then you better complete some passes.

the running game with bettis was insane. anytime they needed short yard conversions (except the playoff game where they almost lost because of his fumble) they gave the ball to bettis and he almost garenteed it.

their defence was pretty damn good with palamalu (sp? cant we just call him bob?). this gave the offence alot mroe time on the field and alot more chances to take forever and throw a pass to a nice wide open reciever.

his team did carry him. He is overrated. Some times you jsut have to accept that.

he isnt a "bad" QB but he is nowhere near what people make him out to be.


he was never asked to do anymore because of that. now he is being asked to step up to a bigger role, and he is adjusting. give him some time. i believe he will be playing a lot better shortly.
 

TheoPetro

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Originally posted by: JMoore
Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: Chloraseptic
maybe because of his record of wins/losses since becoming a starter. and don't give me the tired excuse of his team carries him. he does what the team needs him to do, manage the game, and make the occasional play. he's not going to put up farve or marino numbers, but he's already got a championship in his 3rd? year.

how can you say "dont say his team carries him" and "champinship in his 3rd year"

how can you give him the credit for a championship. here are some points to think about...

their O line was Fing amazing. He had forever to throw the ball

Hines ward and randel el. when you have 2 people that can get open and get yards after the catch like them then you better complete some passes.

the running game with bettis was insane. anytime they needed short yard conversions (except the playoff game where they almost lost because of his fumble) they gave the ball to bettis and he almost garenteed it.

their defence was pretty damn good with palamalu (sp? cant we just call him bob?). this gave the offence alot mroe time on the field and alot more chances to take forever and throw a pass to a nice wide open reciever.

his team did carry him. He is overrated. Some times you jsut have to accept that.

he isnt a "bad" QB but he is nowhere near what people make him out to be.


he was never asked to do anymore because of that. now he is being asked to step up to a bigger role, and he is adjusting. give him some time. i believe he will be playing a lot better shortly.

thats a more fair statement. he may turn out to be a really awesome QB but right now he IS overhyped and overrated.
 

Chloraseptic

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you're right, i'm sure tommy maddux would have done just as good of a job. you have to have someone to throw to the recievers and hand the ball off. arizona has a james, fitzgerald, and boldin, fantastic skilled position players, and yet, no one to throw them the ball, how's that working out for them?

you don't have to go out and throw for tons of yardage and touchdowns, you just have to manage the game if you're put into a situation like the steelers. so far he's having a terrible year, but considering his face was broken before the season and his appendix burst, i'd give him a pass, and i don't even like pittsburg.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He had a QB rating in the 30's during Superbowl XL. He's proven time and time again that when the game is put onto his shoulders, he crumbles. Why do people hype this guy up?


which would be no different than say...
Tom Brady, who is an average quarterback made to look better than he really is by great coaches and players around him. Now that all the superstars are gone the patriots look like an average team again.

Rothlisberger isnt the savior, but he is still far better than kordumass stawart, tommy maddux, mike tomczak, & neil odonnel... all combined. He does have skills, but he needs a few more years of experience to reach his full potential.



Let me reiterate that none of the proclaimed greats were considered all that great their first 3-5 years in the league.
Moon, Kelley, Marino, Elway, Farve, Young, Montana they were great late in their career... thats when they were clutch, not necessarily in the early years.
 

Tylanner

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if you are a young QB who is on a team who wins the biggest game in the world then you are going to be thought well of.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I didn't know people actually thought he was good?

"Good" is relative in the NFL...a league with too many teams and not enough quality QBs. He's not great but he's not stink out loud bad.
 

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I'd take a healthy Big Ben over about 20 other starting QB's.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Roethlisberger is still messed up I think. He had a bad off-season in multiple ways. He was running a fever of 105 degrees his first game back. He shouldn't of even been in there IMHO. I get loopy at 102 degrees...At 105 degrees I don't want any one speaking near me much less trying to bury my upper body in the ground

Still, this is only his third year in the league. I don't think he'll be a huge fantasy numbers type of QB but he'll be solid as long as he has a good ground game behind him. However, he has many more offseasons like this last one and he'll be lucky to be eligible for the NFL pension plan.

I think his temp was only 101.4. The media fvcked that one up. The only one hyping up ben is all the steelers non fans and the media. True steeler fans know exactly what role Ben plays in the team.
 

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Dropped him from my fantasy team last night to pick up Favre for just a one week, favorable matchup move.

I think Ben fits in to a long list of QB's who aren't spectacular by any means, but do enough on the field to help their team win games. He's not gonna light up the stat box on most outings but you could certainly be a lot worse off than having him behind center.

With that said, I think he probably came back too soon. I know those guys just learn to ignore pain/recovery but from what I've seen thus far, he just doesn't appear to be hitting on all cylinders. And the Steelers have a brutal schedule this year so I'm not sure I see it getting much better for him.
 

ScottFern

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extremely overrated. he will eventually become just another mediocore QB in the NFL who won that lucky Super Bowl. (Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer).
 

Deeko

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You of all people should understand the moronic idea that if a quarterback wins a superbowl he is instantly great.

Yes, he is overrated.
 

Suture

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Funny how many of you don't know football.

Edit: Decided to clarify before the flames start. He has had a few bad games, and has been injured. The guy is young. He definitely came back too soon, should have let Batch run the team. He's not a superstar QB; the Steelers don't rely on passing to win the game. Look at his overall passer rating. He's won far more games than he's lost, sometimes due to his supporting cast, but he's had the load on his shoulders and come out on top still.

Guy has a few bad games and here comes the lynch mob...