Ben Bernanke out as Fed Chairman?

Texashiker

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Rumored that Obama will nominate Larry Summers (former Treasury secretary) to be the next Fed chair.

Larry Summers,,, wasn't there a documentary about him, and how he was instrumental in getting regulation removed that led to the banking crash of 2008?

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Found it, the documentary is called Inside Job - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(film)

Everyone should watch that documentary.
 
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thraashman

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Larry Summers,,, wasn't there a documentary about him, and how he was instrumental in getting regulation removed that led to the banking crash of 2008?

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Found it, the documentary is called Inside Job - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(film)

Everyone should watch that documentary.

I never did see Inside Job. However if he was instrumental in the massive clusterfuck then I would for possibly the first time ever support a filibuster of his nomination.
 

Texashiker

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I never did see Inside Job.

I highly recommend Inside Job.

The documentary does a good job of playing whos who, and who has control of our government and financial institutions.

Larry Summers appears to be an inside guy who would be a rubber stamp for wall street.
 

Texashiker

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Who would you prefer and why?

The problem is not who is running the fed, but the federal reserve itself.

No matter who is running the fed, the fed will be a servant to the banks and wall street.

It is a lose-lose situation, kinda like voting democrat and republican. No matter who is in office nothing is going to change.

Like Allen Greenspan said: we can always print more money. That printing money mentality has been the bane of our economy.
 

zephyrprime

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Lol, everyone knows Bernanke is on the way out. It's been well know since the beginning of the year that he will be out by around the end of the year and will head back to academia.

The wiki page won't say anything because there is no concrete confirmation of it. But everyone on wall street already knows because it is easy to read between the lines of what is said by public officials.

Also, he will begin tapering QE by the end of the year before he leaves office.
 

mshan

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Obama apparently wants him because he is battle tested if some more financial crises flare up going forward (e. g. all of these central banks eventually all trying to all remove the easy money washing around the world). Summers I think was also one of the people, along with Warren Buffet and others, candidate Obama consulted in run up to McLame's political stunt to call off campaigning and go to White House to fix stock market crash occurring around them.

Janet Yellin is supposed to be a bit more dovish than Ben Bernanke and supposed to be continuation of current policy.

She has been to White House rarely so doesn't have much of a working personal relationship with Obama, while Summers does. But I think three Democrat senators just said they wouldn't vote for Summers, so Obama has put off announcing new fed chair for a while (probably not best to roil markets with Syria and taper also taking place)

Donald Kohn's name apparently being floated a bit too, along with, gasp, Tim Geithner. I think you can googling for betting markets take on who they think will be next Fed chair.



(Ben Bernanke leaving as Fed chairman is old news, like maybe a few months old)
 
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Texashiker

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Obama apparently wants him because he is battle tested if some more financial crises flare up going forward (e. g. all of these central banks eventually all trying to all the easy money washing around the world).

Battle proven as in how? Printing more money for wall street?

The federal reserve knows one thing, and that is how to ensure wall street makes as much money as possible.
 

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Asian Financial Crisis / Long-Term Capital Management?

Staring Into the Abyss

It was late in September of 1998. I was flying from New York to Bermuda to speak at a hedge fund conference, and found myself upgraded at the last minute, back in the day when I did not fly that much, so I was feeling rather happy. As the door closed, a patrician-looking gentleman stepped in and came and sat next to me, immediately picking up a file and burrowing into it. I had a book and the Wall Street Journal, so I was content to read.

As soon as we took off, he asked for a scotch. He proceeded, over the next hour, to wage a very aggressive war on the diminishing cache of scotch bottles stored on board. (No, it was not Art Cashin. He doesn't fly.) It was an arduous campaign, but he was fully committed to winning.

He glanced over to my Journal and noted some headline about the crisis that had occurred the previous week. I had been following the extreme market volatility with interest, but this was in the first decade of the internet, so most of what you came by you still read in print or heard on the phone.

"They don't really know how close we came," he shuddered, his eyes showing the first signs of emotion – and fear – I had seen from him. That piqued my interest, and I engaged him, though without touching his precious hoard of scotch. I settled for a nice chardonnay. It turned out he was the second-ranking executive at one of the three largest banks in the country. He had been at the table in the NY Fed boardroom when 14 banks were forced to put in $3.625 billion to keep Long Term Capital from collapsing, with only Bear Stearns declining (one of the reasons they had no friends ten years later). The NY Fed president had essentially called all the heads of the banks, told them to be in the room, not to send proxies, and to bring their checkbooks. There was subsequently a lot of criticism of the Fed, but they did what a central bank is supposed to do in times like that: they made the children play nice in the sandbox. They were the only entity that could force the various monster-ego players to even sit in the same room with each other.

"No one will ever really know," he said again. But of course, soon everyone did, as Roger Lowenstein wrote the must-read real-life thriller When Genius Failed.

"We walked to the edge of the abyss, and we looked over." He proceeded to regale me with the stories of the negotiations, as the immensity of what would happen if they allowed the collapse dawned on the group one by one. They all had exposure to LTCM but did not realize the extent of it until it was too late. Looking back, it might have looked something like the credit crisis of 2008 if they had not acted, except it would have happened much faster.

I can tell you that no one in that room wanted to write a $300-million check. It was not good for their careers. Interestingly, after two years the fund was liquidated and the banks got back their capital plus a small profit.



http://www.businessinsider.com/staring-into-the-abyss-2012-1#ixzz2eVZJdx00

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...ns-of-long-term-capital-roger-lowenstein.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...n-collateral-or-how-modern-money-really-works (10 years of "financial stability" needed?)

(I haven't read in detail about what happened then, but battle tested could mean he was just there living through it in real time, if not being real decision maker)



I really don't have an opinion on whether he is better than Janet Yellin or anyone else, because I just haven't read enough to make an really informed comment.

Just stating what I've seen on tv regarding why Obama is pushing so hard for someone that is going to attract alot of political flak to him.
 
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Texashiker

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Asian Financial Crisis?

I really don't have an opinion on whether he is better than Janet Yellin or anyone else, because I just haven't read enough to make an really informed comment.

Just stating what I've seen on tv regarding why Obama is pushing so hard for someone that is going to attract alot of political flak to him.

It does not matter who is the fed chairmen as it will be business as usual.
 

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I don't like either one of them, but at least Summers doesn't think some stupid equation can control long term interest rates. Yellin, like Bernanke, doesn't understand the original intent of the Fed which was to protect Wall Street... Summers does.

I think it will not be Eternal Summers ("eternal summers" because if Larry's fat ass was to fart then the whole world would be in an eternal summer), but I know it will not be Thomas M. Hoenig.
 

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I agree! This is not who I would have expected you to endorse, as he achieved his success in Israel through purposefully debasing Israeli currency, is a Keynesian economics advocate, and a big fan of additional QE like measures. I can't remember your specific positions on those things, but I would have thought you were opposed.
 

Texashiker

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I agree! This is not who I would have expected you to endorse, as he achieved his success in Israel through purposefully debasing Israeli currency, is a Keynesian economics advocate, and a big fan of additional QE like measures. I can't remember your specific positions on those things, but I would have thought you were opposed.

It does not matter what the guy says before he takes office.

After he takes office he will bend over and take it up the ass from wall street just like everyone before him.
 
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I agree! This is not who I would have expected you to endorse, as he achieved his success in Israel through purposefully debasing Israeli currency, is a Keynesian economics advocate, and a big fan of additional QE like measures. I can't remember your specific positions on those things, but I would have thought you were opposed.
He's a New Keynesian...a much more rational approach than classical and post Keynesian theory in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Keynesian_economics

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14782.pdf?new_window=1

I'm a big John Taylor fan as well. He currently chairs the Working Group on Economic Policy at the Hoover Institution (a conservative think tank...yikes!).

Stanley Fischer, Edmund Phelps, and John Taylor were the founders of New Keynesian economics.
 
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Texashiker

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so, then...why care?

I dont care, I am just injecting a little common sense into this thread.

Its like during the election between bill clinton and george sr. Bill clinton promised not to sign nafta and gatt. What did billy boy do after he was elected? He signed the free trade agreements.

The federal reserve is a pawn to wall street. So it does not matter who the chairman is.
 

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http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/09/09/summers-obama-bromance/
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/09/06/obama-defense-larry-summers/

Rumored that Obama will nominate Larry Summers (former Treasury secretary) to be the next Fed chair.


WTF? this is the 1st I've heard of Bernanke not wanting a 3rd term.
heck, even his wiki doesn't say anything abut it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke

Why do you care, who's going to print money?
Do you think, someone else will put your portrait on a dollar bill?
 

Texashiker

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goldman sachs: Fed,,, hey fed chairman

fed chairman: Yes master?

goldman sachs: I want to buy mexico, print me $10 trillion.

fed chairman: when do you want it master?

goldman sachs: Two weeks from today.

fed chairman: Yes master.
 

yllus

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