Being overweight can hurt your career along with your health

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The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 65 percent of U.S. adults -- or about 129.6 million people -- are either overweight or obese.

Does weight have any bearing in the workplace? According to Miriam Berg, president of the Council on Size and Weight Discrimination, it does.

"The biggest obstacle larger-than-average workers face is prejudice, and the second biggest obstacle is the fact that many large people believe that prejudice themselves," Berg says. "Our culture is obsessed with weight loss, and there is a tremendous amount of bias against people who do not fit into the narrow definition of what is attractive.

"Obesity in current society is a stigmatized condition," notes Cornell University researcher and nutritional sociologist Jeffery Sobal. "People who are obese are rejected and discriminated against."

In addition to the emotional cost, the financial costs of being overweight can be high, too. In a study by Charles L. Baum, Ph.D., of Middle Tennessee State University, obesity was found to lower a woman's annual earnings an average of 4.5 percent. Over a lifetime career, that can be as much as $100,000. Baum found that obesity for men could lower annual earnings by as much as 2.3 percent. In a separate study by John H. Cawley, associate professor at Cornell University, a weight increase of 64 pounds above the average for white women was associated with 9 percent lower wages.

CSWD says that heavier workers are also not given raises as often as thinner workers, citing a study of more than 2,000 adults that found wage growth rates were 6 percent lower in a three-year period for heavier workers.

One factor that seems to drive this bias is the cost of health insurance. The CDC has reported that obesity and overweight costs an estimated $117 billion in both direct medical costs and indirect costs, such as lost wages due to illness. Whether conscious or not, some employers may offer less pay to obese workers to offset higher health insurance costs.

"The research showing less productivity and more health problems in large size workers is flawed," Berg asserts. "The false idea that larger workers are less productive is a blatant attempt to deny the fact of weight discrimination. Large workers are denied promotions, are paid less, and are subject to being fired simply because of their size, no matter how excellent their qualifications are or how well they do their jobs."

In a 2005 survey by TheLadders.com, 75 percent of executives said that being overweight is a "serious career impediment."

Berg says she's heard many versions of the same story from her clients: "After reading his or her resume, the company was eager to hire the applicant. The phone interview went very well, and the person was practically assured of the job. But when he or she came face to face with the interviewer, everything changed. Suddenly the job had 'already been filled.'"

Those who apply for positions that interact with the public may feel the biggest sting. "Many employers are not prejudiced themselves, but are afraid that customers may be put off by a plus-size employee, especially in jobs such as receptionist or salesperson," Berg notes.

Jim McSherry, managing partner of McSherry & Associates 2, a recruiting firm in Westchester, Ill., says that extremely overweight applicants may indeed struggle in their job search, especially in companies that are very health conscious. "When two competing candidates are equally qualified, often it is not their appearance that ultimately hurts the overweight candidate, it is his or her self-confidence," McSherry says. " But if a candidate is really outstanding, their size will not be an issue."

"When a large person is looking for a job, we recommend doing your homework, dressing for success, putting your best foot forward, and, most importantly, addressing any potential objections a potential employer might have," Berg suggests. "There is no reason not to bring up your size -- it's the elephant in the room, so to speak. If you are healthy, tell the interviewer that you have not missed a day of work in five years, or however long it is. Point out how strong or fit or flexible you are, or mention that you have great stamina."

Being healthy doesn't simply mean losing weight. "Our advice to large size people in general is to be as healthy as they can be," Berg declares. "Some of the ways we suggest are enjoying life, reducing stress, being physically active, and eating a variety of nutritious foods."

Copyright 2007 CareerBuilder.com.

It's just the market's ways of "redistrubiting resources" .
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.
 

imported_Shivetya

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There are very few medical reasons to be overweight to the point that some people are.


I can't think of reasons for employer's to treat them equally, if they won't take good care of themselves why should one think they will take care of the business or their obligation to it?


and then there is the whole health care side of it, can't wait till we have universal health payments so we can all support the chain smokers, fatties, and druggies.
 

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Originally posted by: AgentJean
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.
And what's ignorance fall under? Sloth, I suppose? How about sinning a little less yourself, hm?
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
There are very few medical reasons to be overweight to the point that some people are.


I can't think of reasons for employer's to treat them equally, if they won't take good care of themselves why should one think they will take care of the business or their obligation to it?


and then there is the whole health care side of it, can't wait till we have universal health payments so we can all support the chain smokers, fatties, and druggies.

Well rather than discriminating based on appearance, why not let the person's output be the determining factor of this?
 

PingSpike

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Amazing...its almost as if we don't live in a magical gumdrop land where everything is fair and all people are rational. This is news to me...but hopefully some pixie dust will fix this problem right up!
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
There are very few medical reasons to be overweight to the point that some people are.


I can't think of reasons for employer's to treat them equally, if they won't take good care of themselves why should one think they will take care of the business or their obligation to it?


and then there is the whole health care side of it, can't wait till we have universal health payments so we can all support the chain smokers, fatties, and druggies.

I gained weight when I was working the hardest, because I skipped lunch in favor of junk food in the office and skipped going to the gym to work late hours. Then I said, screw this, I am going to take long lunch and cook for myself and go to the gym before it closes, come hell or high water.
 

halik

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Hmm unless you're morbidly obese, I don't see how that would affect your productivity. Or, of course, if you are in a position where your image represents the company, in which case being obese is rather undesirable.
 

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Originally posted by: hjo3
Originally posted by: AgentJean
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.
And what's ignorance fall under? Sloth, I suppose? How about sinning a little less yourself, hm?

Being fat is the combination of gloutney and sloth. If they(fat people) would actually get off their butts and burn off all that food they consume, they would not be fat.

If we drop all this PC crap and go back a few decades and shun fat people like we should, there'd be a whole lot less of them. Ever notice how since it's no longer PC to make fun of a person's weight we have a health crisis in America?


For the record my sin is Wrath. I have a hatred and intolerance of FAT PEOPLE. :evil:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: AgentJean
Originally posted by: hjo3
Originally posted by: AgentJean
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.
And what's ignorance fall under? Sloth, I suppose? How about sinning a little less yourself, hm?

Being fat is the combination of gloutney and sloth. If they(fat people) would actually get off their butts and burn off all that food they consume, they would not be fat.

If we drop all this PC crap and go back a few decades and shun fat people like we should, there'd be a whole lot less of them. Ever notice how since it's no longer PC to make fun of a person's weight we have a health crisis in America?


For the record my sin is Wrath. I have a hatred and intolerance of FAT PEOPLE. :evil:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

Bad news kid. By the time you are 40 you will probably be fat too. So will your wife. But maybe you will not be so shallow and ignorant. You may even learn how to spell "gluttony". :laugh:
 

StageLeft

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Also, people like me and those I associate with will make fun of you behind your back.
 

Rainsford

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I don't see why this is surprising, having a successful career is about more than just how you perform your narrowly defined job functions. If you're a computer programmer, you can't expect to get very far no matter HOW good you code if you're a big jerk to everyone. Similarly, you can't be a big slob, or a radical nutbar, or wear flip-flops to important meetings, or any number of things, because being a success in the work place is about the whole image you present. Because it's NOT discrimination, pleasant, positive, well-put-together people bring a good atmosphere to the workplace...at the very least because people WANT to work with them. Being fat isn't some sort of condition you can't help, it's not healthy or natural or "OK", and like it or not it doesn't help in work place or social situations for the same reason going to work wearing a shirt with pizza stains on it probably isn't a good idea.

Now I realize there are plenty of people out there who are both fat and good workers, but how you present yourself at work has at least as much to do with how well you do in your career as how good your are at it. So follow some basic rules, like wearing nice clothes, shaving and combing your hear, and maybe trying to stay in at least some semblance of shape.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Also, people like me and those I associate with will make fun of you behind your back.

Yes, well I imagine THAT'S not too good for your career either. Not that I disagree with you, but people who treat work like it's junior high school seem like they'd have a fair number of problems as well.
 

magomago

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i might want to chime in also that being "healthy" doesn't imply that you are a six pack, or have flat abs, etc. One thing to remember is that we all do have our own frames; I suspect that when they use overweight here, its really towards the worst conditions. Someone can have a a small gut and still be healthy. Being healthy is really just about consistent exerscise and eating healthily~ your body will fall into its own natural size if you can acheive that
 

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It's no big secret that people subliminally discriminate against overweight people. It's just a natural instinct that can't be helped; you associate fat with unhealthy, and unhealthy with bad.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
It's no big secret that people subliminally discriminate against overweight people. It's just a natural instinct that can't be helped; you associate fat with unhealthy, and unhealthy with bad.

When I discriminate against gays and lesbians, it is only my natural instincts kicking in. I associate gay with unhealthy, and unhealthy with bad.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't see why this is surprising, having a successful career is about more than just how you perform your narrowly defined job functions. If you're a computer programmer, you can't expect to get very far no matter HOW good you code if you're a big jerk to everyone. Similarly, you can't be a big slob, or a radical nutbar, or wear flip-flops to important meetings, or any number of things, because being a success in the work place is about the whole image you present. Because it's NOT discrimination, pleasant, positive, well-put-together people bring a good atmosphere to the workplace...at the very least because people WANT to work with them. Being fat isn't some sort of condition you can't help, it's not healthy or natural or "OK", and like it or not it doesn't help in work place or social situations for the same reason going to work wearing a shirt with pizza stains on it probably isn't a good idea.

Now I realize there are plenty of people out there who are both fat and good workers, but how you present yourself at work has at least as much to do with how well you do in your career as how good your are at it. So follow some basic rules, like wearing nice clothes, shaving and combing your hear, and maybe trying to stay in at least some semblance of shape.

Albert Einstein comes to mind as the ultimate conformist.
 

Moonbeam

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Everybody is afraid of social stigma because everybody was ridiculed to death as children. Now all that pain and hurt lie burried and surface as ridicule of others.
 

Estrella

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If it were my company and the candidates were equally qualified to the T, I would hire the thinner person. More then likely the thinner person would have lower health insurance costs and would in most cases be alive longer to stay with the company. One is a less of a strain on everyone if they are within a healthy weight range. One must always do the most one can to better oneself.
 

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Originally posted by: AgentJean

It's just the market's ways of "redistrubiting resources" .
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.

"redistrubiting resources" and "Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins" FTW
 

Zolty

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: AgentJean
Gloutney is the worst of the 7 deadly sins. It should not be rewarded.

Worst point ever.

How about over eating should not be rewarded.



Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
It's no big secret that people subliminally discriminate against overweight people. It's just a natural instinct that can't be helped; you associate fat with unhealthy, and unhealthy with bad.

When I discriminate against gays and lesbians, it is only my natural instincts kicking in. I associate gay with unhealthy, and unhealthy with bad.

Yes but gay people didn't make a choice, at some point fat people have to stop caring about their weight. Some people choose to go outside from time to time, and some people put whipped cream on their pizza.
 

OutHouse

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funny, we just had a employee meeting this morning announcing the new VP of HR for my company, and guess what he is pretty overweight.
 
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Tall people do better in life, too.

I've never understood the relationship between height and productive ability, at least for white collar jobs, but perhaps I've missed something.