Being moderately overweight healthier than thin?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Still agrees that obesity is a major problem in healthcare. Moderately overweight is not the same as obese. Many Americans are obese.

The word obese is being used too much these days.

A doctor once told my wife she was grossly obese and she was less than 50lbs overweight. :roll:

49 lbs overwieght isn't obese?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Still agrees that obesity is a major problem in healthcare. Moderately overweight is not the same as obese. Many Americans are obese.

The word obese is being used too much these days.

A doctor once told my wife she was grossly obese and she was less than 50lbs overweight. :roll:

49 lbs overwieght isn't obese?

It's not "grossly" obese.

 

[dullard]

I thought this was common knowledge. As with virtually everything in life, moderation is the key. Any extreme (on either end) of just about anything is worse for you. Extreme obeisity and extreme famine are both quite deadly. Thus, just about everything has a U-shaped curve. At the ends things are bad, at the middle things are good.

It is naïve to think that the optimum also happens to perfectly match the "normal" body weight. Add to that, every year or so another study just like this one comes out stating the obvioius - extremes are bad moderation is good. It just happens in this case that the optimum is just past the "normal" point.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Still agrees that obesity is a major problem in healthcare. Moderately overweight is not the same as obese. Many Americans are obese.

The word obese is being used too much these days.

A doctor once told my wife she was grossly obese and she was less than 50lbs overweight. :roll:

49 lbs overwieght isn't obese?

It's not "grossly" obese.

Grossly, is that a wieght measurement?

 

[mwmorph]

it's all relative. i mean if the average weight for your height was 100lbs, 49 extra is grossly obese. If some 7'6" monster(yao ming) added 49lbs from the average weight, no one would notice.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli
Everything in moderation...

Being a rail isn't going to be good for you, but neither is being a pig.

What if you're both?

and how would that work?

Tape worm? Uber metabolism?

Working so far for me. I have the happiest tape worm this side of Calcutta.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Still agrees that obesity is a major problem in healthcare. Moderately overweight is not the same as obese. Many Americans are obese.

The word obese is being used too much these days.

A doctor once told my wife she was grossly obese and she was less than 50lbs overweight. :roll:

He should have called her "pleasantly plump", gave her a lollipop, and wrote on her chart with purple ink

Edit: even though by the definition and your claim of her weight he was wrong.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Literati
But is being moderately overweight healthier than being moderately thin?

The new analysis found that obesity ? being extremely overweight ? is indisputably lethal. But like several recent smaller studies, it found that people who are modestly overweight actually have a lower risk of death than those of normal weight.

It helps if you read the story...

I'd rather just ask questions and just have you answer them for me. Thank you.

 

[Amused]

Allow me to add to this:

I'm a weight lifter. The ideal is extremely low body fat. This is the picture of health that is spoon fed to us by the media.

However, whenever I lower my body fat to get "ripped" I start getting sick and have various health and emotional problems. For this reason, I keep my BF% in the 15-20% range most of the time now. Every once in a while I'll want to see myself ripped and go on a very mild cutting routine. And every time, I end up feeling like crap.

I always thought that the low body fat ideal was unhealthy, and now my feelings have been vindicated.

If your BF is not naturally low, it just seems unhealthy to starve your body to meet that image.

 

[DaWhim]

being overweight doesn't kill you, the deseases that associate with it do.

my self-esteem gets lower with being overweight. :thumbsdown: no one see myself any close to being FAT tho.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Literati
But is being moderately overweight healthier than being moderately thin?

The new analysis found that obesity ? being extremely overweight ? is indisputably lethal. But like several recent smaller studies, it found that people who are modestly overweight actually have a lower risk of death than those of normal weight.

It helps if you read the story...

I'd rather just ask questions and just have you answer them for me. Thank you.

I please to aim.

 

[yllus]

Question: Is the measure of BMI in that study likely to be reliable?

 

[Geekbabe]

Thanks but no thanks, I'll continue striving to be slender.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I guess so!I've only read a bit here and there--I gotta go home--, but that's what this seems to say. I wonder though if it's because most people in our society are now moderately overweight, and those who are thin are sometimes thin because of exercise/eating properly, but more often just lack of enough food or something? Bah, who knows! Course these numbers conflict with the CDC's.

Nah, they're just trying to justify the position that they're currently in. Instead of moving their fat ass from being fat > healthy, they instead redifine the meaning of "healthy" to include fat people. If the average person was 300 lbs, you'd see studies (funded by fatties) claiming that 300 lbs is the ideal weight for a person.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Amused
I please to aim.

Thanks!

I just checked my body fat, I'm at 17.4% wowzers. I started school and slowed down my work outs and I've lost 5 pounds and increased my body fat by around 2%. yuck.

 

[Geekbabe]

It's not possible to be "too thin" the vast majority of people are overweight.I know very few people who couldn't stand to lose 10 pounds. Who were these "too thin" people the CDC was talking about ? lol, 5 isolated cases across the USA?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I guess so!I've only read a bit here and there--I gotta go home--, but that's what this seems to say. I wonder though if it's because most people in our society are now moderately overweight, and those who are thin are sometimes thin because of exercise/eating properly, but more often just lack of enough food or something? Bah, who knows! Course these numbers conflict with the CDC's.

Nah, they're just trying to justify the position that they're currently in. Instead of moving their fat ass from being fat > healthy, they instead redifine the meaning of "healthy" to include fat people. If the average person was 300 lbs, you'd see studies (funded by fatties) claiming that 300 lbs is the ideal weight for a person.

Um, no. Did you even read the article?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
It's not possible to be "too thin" the vast majority of people are overweight.I know very few people who couldn't stand to lose 10 pounds.

I guess you've never seen an eating disorder?

Too thin is as unhealthy as too fat. Moreso, as the body starts to shut down when you lose too much weight.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
It's not possible to be "too thin" the vast majority of people are overweight.I know very few people who couldn't stand to lose 10 pounds.

I guess you've never seen an eating disorder?

Too thin is as unhealthy as too fat. Moreso, as the body starts to shut down when you lose too much weight.

comparing your average lard assed american's health status to that of an individual suffering with an eating disorder isn't revelvant. Just about everybody I know could benefit health and looks wise if they lost 10 pounds. There is certainly no danger of a skinny epedemic starting in this country anytime soon.

 

[thegimp03]

Yeah, the BMI is ridiculous, because you weigh more if you pack on a lot of muscle. I'm about 6'1 and on standard BMI calculators it says I'd have to be between 150 and 175 lbs approximately to be "normal weight". Now, big bones run in my family, and getting to that weight is out of the question for me.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
It's not possible to be "too thin" the vast majority of people are overweight.I know very few people who couldn't stand to lose 10 pounds.

I guess you've never seen an eating disorder?

Too thin is as unhealthy as too fat. Moreso, as the body starts to shut down when you lose too much weight.

comparing your average lard assed american's health status to that of an individual suffering with an eating disorder isn't revelvant.

Not really. Both show the dangers of extremes. Too thin is as unhealthy as too fat.

The CDC and various smaller studies prove it.

And it makes perfect sense. Your body has an ideal weight set point. Deviating from that point puts undue stress on the body. Some people are genetically built to be pudgy.

 

[DAGTA]

Per the obese comments:
The medical field (and yes most of us know they aren't perfect either) set the definitions of obese as:
30% body fat or more in a male
35% body fat or more in a female

Sounds like a lot, but most people get there faster than a lot of us would guess.
I'll use myself as an example

Here is a goofy picture taken of me two months ago:
Goofy Dagta

I'm 5' 9", 185lb, and have a body fat of about 21%. So, I'm about halfway between 'ideal' bodyfat and 'obese' bodyfat. In other words, I'm medically overweight, probably in the area that the article referenced in the original post of this thread is talking about.

A lot of people that are considered 'chubby' are actually obese by medical standards.

Edit: typos

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Amused

Um, no. Did you even read the article?

Um, yes I did. I think that there's some pressure to revise the numbers to reflect the current population.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Amused
Allow me to add to this:

I'm a weight lifter. The ideal is extremely low body fat. This is the picture of health that is spoon fed to us by the media.

However, whenever I lower my body fat to get "ripped" I start getting sick and have various health and emotional problems. For this reason, I keep my BF% in the 15-20% range most of the time now. Every once in a while I'll want to see myself ripped and go on a very mild cutting routine. And every time, I end up feeling like crap.

I always thought that the low body fat ideal was unhealthy, and now my feelings have been vindicated.

If your BF is not naturally low, it just seems unhealthy to starve your body to meet that image.

fat is almost essential to the body for various functions, though bodies are mostyl different 20% minimum seems sorta high...

I usually have 7-10% no matter what I do. I've had 4-6k calorie days and i've had 1-1.5k calorie days with workouts, 5 mile runs, etc and i cant gain or lose weight.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused

Um, no. Did you even read the article?

Um, yes I did. I think that there's some pressure to revise the numbers to reflect the current population.

So all the studies showing mildly overweight people have less risk of death than thin people are fabricated to placate the public?

It's all a great conspiracy?