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Originally posted by: mugs
All you have to say is "for every animal you DON'T eat, I eat three."
I wear that t-shirt all the time.
Originally posted by: mugs
All you have to say is "for every animal you DON'T eat, I eat three."
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Well Vic your only following nature, the vast majority of a preditors prey are the young or injured. Some might see that as cruel but nature makes no such arbitrary judgements.
Exactly my point! This is nature. Humans would not be intelligent if we were herbivores and our only prey was grass.
Humans are intelligent because we were genetically designed as such, along with the purpose to eat meat, veggies, etc. It's just as possible to genetically engineer us to eat grass, and still be intelligent, but there is no pleasure in that for us.
Originally posted by: JEDI
My first thought was:
WTF r u talking about? How stupid and ignorant are you?
But that satement wasnt assertive. it was aggressive.
My next thought was changing the conversation or just walking away.
But that's passive to me wanting to express my opinion that he's wrong.
So what's the assertive thing to say?
Originally posted by: deerslayer
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, since 3 hours has brought no decent factual responses...here goes. Ask him if he prefers that a large portion of the deer population in this country die from disease and starvation, because that's what will happen if the is no hunting allowed. Deer largely have no natural predators on this continent anymore and if their population is left unchecked they will die, suffering, in huge numbers of disease and starvation.
Hunting is a necessary part of conservation and wildlife management and your co-worker is an ill informed idiot. Besides, the fees hunters pay for licensing and deer tags every year more than pay for the agencies that enforce and manage the wildlife in this country and the meat is used to feed people ranging from the poor to those who like to eat natural food. It's a win win situation...well, except for those who've watched Bambie too many times.
:thumbsup: This guy knows what he's talking about.
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: mattpegher
Well Vic your only following nature, the vast majority of a preditors prey are the young or injured. Some might see that as cruel but nature makes no such arbitrary judgements.
Exactly my point! This is nature. Humans would not be intelligent if we were herbivores and our only prey was grass.
Humans are intelligent because we were genetically designed as such, along with the purpose to eat meat, veggies, etc. It's just as possible to genetically engineer us to eat grass, and still be intelligent, but there is no pleasure in that for us.
Originally posted by: adairusmc
I hunt some animals that I do not eat, to do my part to keep the population in check. So far I have killed 7 cougar in the past 5 years, and have not eaten one ounce of the meat. Makes for great wallpaper when the hide gets back from the taxidermist. I also regularly hunt coyotes, but I dont keep the hides or anything, I just take the ears in for the bounty.
I could kill 100 of them without tags and I would probably get a letter of appreciation from Fish and Game. Those damn things are everywhere here, and it is all because the banned hunting them with dogs years ago. The worst part is that they are not afraid of people any longer.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, since 3 hours has brought no decent factual responses...here goes. Ask him if he prefers that a large portion of the deer population in this country die from disease and starvation, because that's what will happen if the is no hunting allowed. Deer largely have no natural predators on this continent anymore and if their population is left unchecked they will die, suffering, in huge numbers of disease and starvation.
Hunting is a necessary part of conservation and wildlife management and your co-worker is an ill informed idiot. Besides, the fees hunters pay for licensing and deer tags every year more than pay for the agencies that enforce and manage the wildlife in this country and the meat is used to feed people ranging from the poor to those who like to eat natural food. It's a win win situation...well, except for those who've watched Bambie too many times.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
We were not designed. We evolved.
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
We were not designed. We evolved.
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?
Evolution is a myth, but let's not start that argument here againI don't think scientists are wrong in that man decended from monkey, monkey from fish, etc., but to think that all of this happened by chance is nuts. The "designers" when they first created life on earth created unicellular life, which then gave rise to more complex forms of life through improved (or evolving) techniques of creation and environmental adaptation. We've essentially begun this process now, or should I said Dr. Craig Venter has with the creation of the first totally synthetic unicellular organism. Science will expand upon this over a period of time to create more complex forms of life, building upon what it previously acheived. From a distance, another advanced civilization could interpret this a evolution as well; but the reality is that none of it is happening by chance. Look at the color of some birds and their bizarre mating rituals; the curled horns of some antelope - why would evolution create that? There is that blue bird of paradise, that has big smiley face on it's back that you can see when it spreads its wings and jumps around - that happened by chance? I think not
Not everything taught to you in mainstream university science classes is fact. Another big myth dumped on us is the notion that gravity dominates the universe, when in fact, I believe it is electricity and plasma - but that won't be taught that in any university class![]()
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Are you:
( ) A moron
( ) Crazy
( ) All of the above.
(X) Smarter, richer, better looking, and more successful than you
Please choose one.
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Are you:
( ) A moron
( ) Crazy
( ) All of the above.
(X) Smarter, richer, better looking, and more successful than you
Please choose one.
Why the hostility, man? Why are you such a mean person?
Originally posted by: michaels
Nothing more annoying than a self-righteous limp-wristed veggie.
Originally posted by: JEDI
My first thought was:
WTF r u talking about? How stupid and ignorant are you?
But that satement wasnt assertive. it was aggressive.
My next thought was changing the conversation or just walking away.
But that's passive to me wanting to express my opinion that he's wrong.
So what's the assertive thing to say?
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Aimster
He is correct.
That's right what you gonna do about it?
People who eat meat are horrible people as well.
The same goes for milk drinkers.
All of you are going to the hell
That's OK, there'll be plenty of hunting to do in hell, what with all the muslims being there.
You start an argument by saying "let's not start that argument here again?" You're the one who's nuts.Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
We were not designed. We evolved.
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?
Evolution is a myth, but let's not start that argument here againI don't think scientists are wrong in that man decended from monkey, monkey from fish, etc., but to think that all of this happened by chance is nuts. The "designers" when they first created life on earth created unicellular life, which then gave rise to more complex forms of life through improved (or evolving) techniques of creation and environmental adaptation. We've essentially begun this process now, or should I said Dr. Craig Venter has with the creation of the first totally synthetic unicellular organism. Science will expand upon this over a period of time to create more complex forms of life, building upon what it previously acheived. From a distance, another advanced civilization could interpret this a evolution as well; but the reality is that none of it is happening by chance. Look at the color of some birds and their bizarre mating rituals; the curled horns of some antelope - why would evolution create that? There is that blue bird of paradise, that has big smiley face on it's back that you can see when it spreads its wings and jumps around - that happened by chance? I think not
Not everything taught to you in mainstream university science classes is fact. Another big myth dumped on us is the notion that gravity dominates the universe, when in fact, I believe it is electricity and plasma - but that won't be taught that in any university class![]()
Evolution does not say that "all of this happened by chance." It just says "all of life behaves in a particular manner."Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
We were not designed. We evolved.
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?
Evolution is a myth, but let's not start that argument here againI don't think scientists are wrong in that man decended from monkey, monkey from fish, etc., but to think that all of this happened by chance is nuts. The "designers" when they first created life on earth created unicellular life, which then gave rise to more complex forms of life through improved (or evolving) techniques of creation and environmental adaptation. We've essentially begun this process now, or should I said Dr. Craig Venter has with the creation of the first totally synthetic unicellular organism. Science will expand upon this over a period of time to create more complex forms of life, building upon what it previously acheived. From a distance, another advanced civilization could interpret this a evolution as well; but the reality is that none of it is happening by chance. Look at the color of some birds and their bizarre mating rituals; the curled horns of some antelope - why would evolution create that? There is that blue bird of paradise, that has big smiley face on it's back that you can see when it spreads its wings and jumps around - that happened by chance? I think not
Not everything taught to you in mainstream university science classes is fact. Another big myth dumped on us is the notion that gravity dominates the universe, when in fact, I believe it is electricity and plasma - but that won't be taught that in any university class![]()
Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
We were not designed. We evolved.
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh? And when's the last time you saw an intelligent herbivore? How and why do you suppose we were genetically designed as such? By some God that willed it? Or by the natural process of evolution that works according to what IS?
Evolution is a myth, but let's not start that argument here againI don't think scientists are wrong in that man decended from monkey, monkey from fish, etc., but to think that all of this happened by chance is nuts. ...
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Humans were made to be vegetarians. It was not until they started eating meat that their brains progressed and they advanced to the thinking, reasoning, inventing species that they now are.
