Being accused of Trolling?

Fun4life

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Ok here is the scope. Here is where it starts on Hardforum:

08-02-2005, 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Fun4life
I happen to have a :
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=547

Hasn't been used yet but if I don't sell it then I guess I will use it. I always buy stuff when I don't need it and this time I kind of went over board. LMK if interested. What price range were you looking to spend.....I might not have it as cheap as you're looking for.

Posted by hazmatic
Around $150 is my price-range....http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=934750 is my FS thread, take a look at it in case you see anything.

08-02-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Fun4life
Well, shoot....I wish I could use some of that stuff but I have too much as is......but nice stuff though.....Well, since my phone is new (but no manuel ....can probably DL or the extra adaptor for the phone...not sure what it was. I bought the phone online for $150 shipped and also gave him a couple games...so basically for $190 I bought it. But I was never told about those 2 things missing....not really important but it bothers me that he didn't tell me. So I am looking to sell for $150...so I can make my money back (but lse out on the games). LMK if still interested.

Posted by hazmatic
Er, I need to see pictures of this (taken by you obviously) and also, what do you mean no adapter? If this does not have an ac adapter or any charger at all then I am not interested...... would buy the phone for $150 if it looks ok and has adapter


08-02-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Fun4life
Well the charger is $10 online and what email add you want the pics sent to. I also have 4 people that replied back to me on the phone and I was offered $175 by another person......so if he is serious I may just sell it to him....sry, trying to make up for my loses.

Posted by hazmatic
YOU offered to sell to ME for $150. A good seller wont go about changing the deal all the sudden. imstillbutters@gmail.com for pics, but don't even bother if you are going to be a horrible seller and change the deal.


Ok....but now he is spying on me since I wouldn't sell it to him for $140. The line he typed: If this does not have an ac adapter or any charger at all then I am not interested...... would buy the phone for $150 if it looks ok and has adapter tells me he was not interested, so I moved on and had other offers.....so I proceeded. Is that wrong?

Now, here are the PM's from Anandtech:

Fun4life
Motorola RAZR V3 $150 New ( http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=547 )
(no manuel or charger...can DL manuel and charger is about $10 online)
08/21/2005 09:55 AM

imstillbutters
Unlocked? Usable with Cingular? I might buy that
08/21/2005 02:15 PM

fun4life
Not sure......I like to buy new things and especially phones...... I bought it from another guy online for $180 and when he shipped it he never sent the manuel or charger. I PM'd him and he said that he put it in the box.....so either he's lying or the postal service somehow broke it open and the stuff became seperated from the phone.??? It is new and he said it was ready for use if you have a plan. Well, I was going to change my service soon but not soon enough...unless a pay a fortune to break my contract with Sprint. So I know I'm not going to get what I paid for since I have no manuel or charger but those can be found.....online manuel and $10 charger online.
08/21/2005 04:28 PM

imstillbutters
You know this is hazmatic off of Hardforum, and now it appears I have caught you trolling or attempting to. Not too long ago you tried to sell this to me for $150, then changed the price, and you claimed you were buying a charger to sell with it. This all will be posted on Anandtech, sent all my former PMs to the moderator, and we will also be posting on Hardforum.
08/21/2005 06:12 PM

Fun4life
You add the shipping bud and you got what I payed......and you didn't want it for the price I asked and I told you what I didn't have....right now I just want to sell it and if I was offered a higher price and can get a higher price then fine. So I guess I'm not sure what you're talking about trolling. Why would I waste money for a charger when I'm not going to use it ......and if someone else wnats the phone then I could direct them or they can find a charger themselves. Basically I think you're just upset that I didn't sell it to you for $140......and I told you I was offered more during the time we talked at which you didn't sound interested if it didn't have the charger or manuel so I moved on. So what did I do wrong? I've never had an issue before and don't see one now.
08/21/2005 07:15 PM

imstillbutters
You said you had a ton of buyers when I tried to buy on Hardforum, and I was going to buy it but you went ahead and upped the price from $150 to like $175....it all sounds fishy to me that you would up the price, saying you had a ton of buyers, but now you selling back at $150.
08/21/2005 07:18 PM

Fun4life
This is what was stated on Hard:
Originally Posted by Fun4life
Well, shoot....I wish I could use some of that stuff but I have too much as is......but nice stuff though.....Well, since my phone is new (but no manuel ....can probably DL or the extra adaptor for the phone...not sure what it was. I bought the phone online for $150 shipped and also gave him a couple games...so basically for $190 I bought it. But I was never told about those 2 things missing....not really important but it bothers me that he didn't tell me. So I am looking to sell for $150...so I can make my money back (but lse out on the games). LMK if still interested.

Hazmatic
Er, I need to see pictures of this (taken by you obviously) and also, what do you mean no adapter? If this does not have an ac adapter or any charger at all then I am not interested...... would buy the phone for $150 if it looks ok and has adapter

By the line "If this does not have an ac adapter or any charger at all then I am not interested" ....this told me you were not interested in the phone....then after that these were the next PM's:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fun4life
Well the charger is $10 online and what email add you want the pics sent to. I also have 4 people that replied back to me on the phone and I was offered $175 by another person......so if he is serious I may just sell it to him....sry, trying to make up for my loses.

Hazmatic
YOU offered to sell to ME for $150. A good seller wont go about changing the deal all the sudden. imstillbutters@gmail.com for pics, but don't even bother if you are going to be a horrible seller and change the deal.

Fun4life
So I took your answer as no and had other offers. So I will follow up with who say " I interested even though it doesn't have manuel and charger". So if someone offered more because they know what a nice phone it was and also I have done business with him before. But I have people backing out on deals left and right.....either they find a better deal or they don't have the money now.........I get that a lot......and if someone can find a better deal, then I am for it.
So now the price of the phone is what it has always been posted.....I was just offered more. I can buy a charger but again.....I have no use for it so the buyer would basically buy the charger from me........
Sorry if things didn't work out the first time around.....I'm not here to screw people....but am here to make some money or help others out.
08/21/2005 07:27 PM

I'm sorry for this but this guy wants to pursue this I guess.....and I really don't know what he is going to go after. I think he is just upset for passing on a great phone for a good price and now wants it. Any advice or comments on what took place. As you can see I haven't been rude...only truthful. I don't know why I'm wasting my time dealing with this issue when I never actually dealt with the guy.
Thanks for your time.
Jim
 

KarenMarie

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Cliffs:

Seller lists item.
Potential buyer says he is interested for a certain price IF item comes with charger/adapter. otherwise not interested.
Seller tells buyer where/how to get charger and that other ppl are interested, too... for more money.
Seller keeps listing and also lists in other forums.
Potential buyer now claims that the deal was set in stone and is following seller around, accusing him of backing out of deal and being a troll.

correct?
 

Fun4life

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You nailed it !!! I just typed all of that....so others know the whole story. The buyer said he was going to report me to this site and Hardforum so I decided to beat him to the punch by showing evreything that took place. I don't want to get a bad name as a seller and everyone who've I sold to could back me up.
Thanks for taking the time to read this
 

bsobel

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I see nothing wrong with what you did based on what was posted.
 

olds

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This happened at Hard and should stay at Hard. Have them take care of it (if you can find someone there who is not a troll).
Kyle banned some of us because we tried to flush out a troll there.
 

bsobel

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
This happened at Hard and should stay at Hard. Have them take care of it (if you can find someone there who is not a troll).
Kyle banned some of us because we tried to flush out a troll there.

The 'buyer' brought it here when the seller listed the item here... Not sure how it can 'stay at hard' when the buyer is calling this guy a troll here?
 

KarenMarie

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Well, if the entire correspondance is as you posted above, he doesnt have a leg to stand on in his claims against you.
he is the one who said he was NOT interested if it did not have a charger/adapter. you told him immediately that you had other interested ppl for more money. and it seems you never promised him anything.

Perhaps he is unhappy because you said you were looking for $150.00 and then said you got offered $175.00 while he was hoping that you would lower the price for lack of charger/adapter or offer to buy one for him at the same $150.00 ... dunno... hard to know what his problem is, or what he is thinking. Going by what is posted above, it seems that he didn't want it as is, but got mad that you moved on...??!!

You mind posting your FS thread? I searched for it, but the only threads I found by you did not list the RAZR on the first page.
:)
 

olds

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Originally posted by: bsobel
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The 'buyer' brought it here when the seller listed the item here... Not sure how it can 'stay at hard' when the buyer is calling this guy a troll here?
I seemed to have missed the part where he bought it here. Maybe KM can decipher it for me?
;)

 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: bsobel
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The 'buyer' brought it here when the seller listed the item here... Not sure how it can 'stay at hard' when the buyer is calling this guy a troll here?
I seemed to have missed the part where he bought it here. Maybe KM can decipher it for me?
;)

No not BOUGHT... BROUGHT! the potential buyer did not buy anything.

The seller listed the same item here as he listed at hard. The potential buyer was in a tizzy cause he did not get something he claimed to NOT be interested in, then yelled troll when he saw it was still for sale.

Once the seller listed it here, the potential buyer followed him here to call him a troll here too... which is why it is not strictly a hard issue anymore.

:)
 

olds

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
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Once the seller listed it here, the potential buyer followed him here to call him a troll here too... which is why it is not strictly a hard issue anymore.

:)
The potential buyer, "hazmatic" either used a different name here or has had his account deleted already.

 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
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Once the seller listed it here, the potential buyer followed him here to call him a troll here too... which is why it is not strictly a hard issue anymore.

:)
The potential buyer, "hazmatic" either used a different name here or has had his account deleted already.

He is imstillbutters on AT FS/T according to the PM's posted in the OP.
:)
 

Fun4life

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Thank you for taking the time to give your opinions.......and sorry to waste your time in reading this even though I know I did nothing wrong.
I will be posting the phone again......I saw that someone was requesting a phone on the threads (before I posted it) and told him about it.......come to find out it was the previous guy from another site.........sooo, I haven't had the chance to put it on my thread because of this issue........just making sure things are resolved before continuing forward.
Thanks again!!!
 

aplefka

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What a douche. You're not a troll man. He said he wasn't interested and you tried to continue to do business. Don't even fret.

By the way oldsmoboat, way to read the thread so thoroughly. ;):p:laugh:
 

olds

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Originally posted by: aplefka
What a douche. You're not a troll man. He said he wasn't interested and you tried to continue to do business. Don't even fret.

By the way oldsmoboat, way to read the thread so thoroughly. ;):p:laugh:
I wasn't about to read that. Besides, that's what I have KM for.
:p

 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: aplefka
What a douche. You're not a troll man. He said he wasn't interested and you tried to continue to do business. Don't even fret.

By the way oldsmoboat, way to read the thread so thoroughly. ;):p:laugh:
I wasn't about to read that. Besides, that's what I have KM for.
:p

Hahaha!!!
At least I am of some use around here.
;)
 

aplefka

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: aplefka
What a douche. You're not a troll man. He said he wasn't interested and you tried to continue to do business. Don't even fret.

By the way oldsmoboat, way to read the thread so thoroughly. ;):p:laugh:
I wasn't about to read that. Besides, that's what I have KM for.
:p

Haha well, I must admit it was a bit tedious and confusing to read because it didn't have any of the quote formatting, but you could've skimmed at least. :p

And KM is useful for more than just summarizing threads, she provides good conversations as well.
 
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Fun4life, I talked to you about all this on AIM. Why do you persist on trying to make me look wrong because you seemed to be trying to troll? First you offer me the phone on hardforum for $150, then raise the price to $175, I do not respond (my inbox/outboxes were full on hardforum so if you sent me any messages afterwards I had not received them), and then not long after you offer me the phone here on Anandtech for $150....it all seemed fishy to me, how you mysteriously upped the price but then proposed the sale for $150 to this account here on Anandtech. This is rather immature of you especially after we talked about and resolved this on AIM, looks like you are just looking to gain a few brown nosers or turn this story against me and give me a bad reputation somehow for suspecting you of being a troll.
 

Fun4life

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How am I turning anything whenI put all PM's in the picture. If you read everything than you will understand that you said" not interested if does not have charger"....so I moved on. And about your box being full.....if I send you a message and your box is full then I will get a message stating the recievers box is full which I did not......plus you responded back to those PM's anyways. So I really don't understand what your problem is.
Also, I'm not making any browny points here......since you threatened that you were going to report me here and at Hard I figured I would jump ahead and make sure everyone knows the whole story (with all PM's from both sites included)........so if you actually read everything that I typed to you and that you typed to me then you will see that you do not have a point. I've been nice about this and haven't given any reason for you to be like this......so at this point I will say DROP IT!!!!!
Grow up and except your loses.
You just don't get it....READ...READ...READ. It shows clearly what you said if it had no charger and also states very clearly why the price went to $175.....because I was OFFERED......and since you said no, I move on. I hate to see what you're like if you break up with someone....are you still this blind....LOOK!!! What Can I Say?????
 

aplefka

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Originally posted by: imstillbutters
Fun4life, I talked to you about all this on AIM. Why do you persist on trying to make me look wrong because you seemed to be trying to troll? First you offer me the phone on hardforum for $150, then raise the price to $175, I do not respond (my inbox/outboxes were full on hardforum so if you sent me any messages afterwards I had not received them), and then not long after you offer me the phone here on Anandtech for $150....it all seemed fishy to me, how you mysteriously upped the price but then proposed the sale for $150 to this account here on Anandtech. This is rather immature of you especially after we talked about and resolved this on AIM, looks like you are just looking to gain a few brown nosers or turn this story against me and give me a bad reputation somehow for suspecting you of being a troll.

Uhhh you threatened to tell people here he was a troll, that's reason enough for him to post this so you didn't get a chance to do so. Regardless of whether or not you "resolved" this on AIM, you'd still be able to hold it over him and he probably didn't like that. It's okay, I'd like to welcome you as the second member of my DNT list.
 

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Cliffs:

Seller lists item.
Potential buyer says he is interested for a certain price IF item comes with charger/adapter. otherwise not interested.
Seller tells buyer where/how to get charger and that other ppl are interested, too... for more money.
Seller keeps listing and also lists in other forums.
Potential buyer now claims that the deal was set in stone and is following seller around, accusing him of backing out of deal and being a troll.

correct?

Thanks for the summary Karen:thumbsup:
and Fun4life you did nothing wrong :)
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: imstillbutters
Fun4life, I talked to you about all this on AIM. Why do you persist on trying to make me look wrong because you seemed to be trying to troll? First you offer me the phone on hardforum for $150, then raise the price to $175, I do not respond (my inbox/outboxes were full on hardforum so if you sent me any messages afterwards I had not received them), and then not long after you offer me the phone here on Anandtech for $150....it all seemed fishy to me, how you mysteriously upped the price but then proposed the sale for $150 to this account here on Anandtech. This is rather immature of you especially after we talked about and resolved this on AIM, looks like you are just looking to gain a few brown nosers or turn this story against me and give me a bad reputation somehow for suspecting you of being a troll.

From what was posted in the OP... you said yu were not interested without a charger/adapter. End of story. There was no deal, no transaction and nothing left to talk about. You two did not strike a bargain, did not have a deal. It is Fun4Life's phone and he can sell to whomever he likes. Or not sell it to whomever he likes, especially someone who said they are not interested.

Calling someone a troll is a serious accusation. It can have widespread affect on his potential to ever trade again.
 

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Originally posted by: imstillbutters
Fun4life, I talked to you about all this on AIM. Why do you persist on trying to make me look wrong because you seemed to be trying to troll? First you offer me the phone on hardforum for $150, then raise the price to $175, I do not respond (my inbox/outboxes were full on hardforum so if you sent me any messages afterwards I had not received them), and then not long after you offer me the phone here on Anandtech for $150....it all seemed fishy to me, how you mysteriously upped the price but then proposed the sale for $150 to this account here on Anandtech. This is rather immature of you especially after we talked about and resolved this on AIM, looks like you are just looking to gain a few brown nosers or turn this story against me and give me a bad reputation somehow for suspecting you of being a troll.

imstillbutters
You know this is hazmatic off of Hardforum, and now it appears I have caught you trolling or attempting to. Not too long ago you tried to sell this to me for $150, then changed the price, and you claimed you were buying a charger to sell with it. This all will be posted on Anandtech, sent all my former PMs to the moderator, and we will also be posting on Hardforum.
08/21/2005 06:12 PM
Seems like a threat to me. And it was "immature" of you to let your inbox/outbox get full yet still assume you knew the situation well enough to make such a threat.