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Craig234

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There are many Republicans that feel that the workers have the ability to grow; you do not take from them, but reward them for extra efforts beyond what was originally agreed to.

the harder you work; the more the company is able to profit and grow. And most places will share that growth profit with the worker in terms of profit sharing, bonus raises, etc.

Your complaint is that when every one gets 10% of their base; that is unfair because the bases are not equal.

Or that everyone should have the same base because the value should be considered equal.

Why should they be; the workers do not have a much invested into the company as the upper levels?

You want to destroy capitalism where one works for their wealth and instead want the equivalent of socialism where one gets an equal share even if they do not contribute equally.

Your last paragphraph is such an idiotic lie you're a waste of time for any more response.

But for others, to be clear, the post above confuses two very different things.

Let's take Mexican illegal farm workers. There are plenty of 'incentive' programs for them. The more and faster they pick plants, the more they make.

The bottom line though is that they make little.

Republicans can talk all day about 'inventive programs' - and I at least partly agree. I don't think they're always helpful, but sometimes they are. And most positions have them.

It's a favorite ding by Republicans on union and think they have something of a point - but I've also seen where union workers are very productive, so it's an issue with two sides.

But even if I agree with them on that, it's not the issue. The issue is the larger one that Republicans will support lower net pay for workers.

Republican VOTERS like the poster above can fall for propaganda all they like about how they'll make a lot under Republican policies and they're wrong, generally.

The overall labor situation, the lack of leverage for workers, the tax policies, many things will result in a net transfer of wealth to the top.

Like the illegal Mexican farm labor, they can get incentives up the wazoo for working from sunup to sundown and skipping lunch to get more money, but it won't be very much.

Organized labor gives labor power which is the one thing that helps labor make more.

You can nit pick labor jobs paying $25 an hour, or you can brag how 'incentives' let you get $20 an hour instead of the base $15 hour like other workers in a 'Republican' factory.

You sound like you drank the koolaid for ideology about union and labor issues. Your approach will hurt the middle class and shift their wealth to the rich.
 

Michael

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Ky54 - I am an expat with a very large apartment by Chinese standards. My circle of friends is almost all college educated professionals, the ones my age all own their own houses. I am in my mid-40's, so my peers are not recent graduates who are just starting out. Most of the younger Chinese I know are helped by their parents when they buy a house.

Knowing the average wages here and the price of apartments and the fact that the government took direct action and is not letting up, I can only assume it is a real issue and one that is important to the average Chinese person.

Michael
 

nobodyknows

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There are many Republicans that feel that the workers have the ability to grow; you do not take from them, but reward them for extra efforts beyond what was originally agreed to.

the harder you work; the more the company is able to profit and grow. And most places will share that growth profit with the worker in terms of profit sharing, bonus raises, etc.

Your complaint is that when every one gets 10% of their base; that is unfair because the bases are not equal.

Or that everyone should have the same base because the value should be considered equal.

Why should they be; the workers do not have a much invested into the company as the upper levels?

You want to destroy capitalism where one works for their wealth and instead want the equivalent of socialism where one gets an equal share even if they do not contribute equally.


Yeah, just shut up and be thankfull you have a job.
 

Zebo

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I have lots of friends in China I went to school with. One gal an architect and her husband just visited us and say it's the "new America" so I'm not sure about unstable and all that. Everything I've heard is very positive and all seem very happy.
 

cubby1223

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The Chinese people, however, have bought into this deal more than we might expect - we tend to want to view every nation's people as 'like us, yearning to be free' and so they're always the 'cause' to support against a tyrannical government - which I have a lot of sympathy with - but I've heard mostly Chinese who support things like Tianemman Square, saying those are a few radicals sitrring up problems who needed to be shut down. A lot of chinese seems to have a different view of the balance with 'freedom'.

Chinese culture values conformity over individuality whereas the American & European cultures value individuality over conformity.

As for your continued partisan hackery - both political parties in the U.S. offer a platform of freedom and individuality, so long as you conform to their set of ideals. The only real difference with you, is, you already agree with the demands of "your side" and thus don't recognize them as demands, rather you simply accept them as the correct way to live life.
 

Dari

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I have lots of friends in China I went to school with. One gal an architect and her husband just visited us and say it's the "new America" so I'm not sure about unstable and all that. Everything I've heard is very positive and all seem very happy.

lol
 

ericlp

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Wow.

I haven't heard any of this before.

Thanks

Fern

Don't mention it... Your welcome and not surprised.




  1. What am I reading? Is this a gossip column. This publication has deteriorated to the level of WSJ and CNN.
  2. is this yahoo news? switch back to the republican primary, more fun.
Haha, the first two comments summed it up for me. Exactly what I thought!
 

Icepick

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Nov 1, 2004
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I have lots of friends in China I went to school with. One gal an architect and her husband just visited us and say it's the "new America" so I'm not sure about unstable and all that. Everything I've heard is very positive and all seem very happy.

Very interesting. Have you ever read the books called "The next decade" or "The next 100 years"? Those were written by George Friedman, the CEO of Stratfor. In them he predicted that China would become increasingly unstable largely due to the extreme economic inequality between pockets of wealth along the coastal cities and the disadvantaged interior regions. His reasoning took into account China's past where the inhabitants from the interior grow increasingly discouraged that they're not sharing the wealth.

I'm not disputing what your friends are saying at all. In fact, maybe they're first hand accounts show that Stratfor has the long term outlook on China all wrong.

(Yes, this is the same Stratfor that was PWNED by Anonymous in December.)
 

Stayfr0sty

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While I think China is a joke and Mao himself would have an anyerisim if he were alive today and saw Mcdonalds and Starbucks in his country, I will say they are very smart. They are implementing authoritarian state style "Capitalism" and it seems to be working for them. And they are already over powering us as a super power. I fear China. Hopefully they will be more isolationist. But I dunno, a chinese general already warned that if any foreign troops step into Syria the shit is gonna hit the fan. China has a lot of intrests in Syria and so does russia.