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Fausto

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Don't be a hypocrit. Asking people not to put a lable on PETA, then you go and do just that to the "anti-PETA" crowd. What do you want credit for again?
My point was that many who piss and moan about PETA have an inherently opposite stance on the issue already. Throw in PETAs in-your-face way of doing things and you get the hostility we see in this thread minus any actual thought regarding the issue at hand.

BTW- the article and PETAs website do, in fact, mention what they're on about.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: torpid
Where did anyone say they need meat?
I take it you've not read any of the vegetarianism discussions here. People apparently need meat so badly that even other people choosing not to consume meat constitutes a grievous personal insult. :roll:

You are correct, I have not. If you have, why did you ask? Was it an inflammatory remark in the guise of a rhetorical question?

Anyway, I don't see how pumping animals full of hormones is NOT inhumane. It would be inhumane to pump your child full of hormones unless medically necessary. Why is it ok to do it to the chicken?
 

Fausto

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Again: I really just want you guys to tell me why and how PETA is wrong here. That is the crux issue after all, no?
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Fausto
In an open letter to KFC Chief Executive Officer David Novak, the Beastie Boys call for a halt to the fast-food chain's use of suppliers that break birds' beaks or use growth-inducing drugs.
Oh no. What a bunch of tree-hugging idiots. :roll:

You guys are just dipshits once you see the PETA acronym. I mean, yes, they're occasionally waaaaaaaaay out there, but I don't see the problem with this.

Essentially PETA has lost all of their credibility in mainstream society. It is hard to take them serious for anything they do, even if it may be reasonable. I have been seeing more and more anti-PETA billboards and even television commercials. That is how fed up most people are with them.

For every possible legitimate concern PETA has, they have countless other extremist actions.
Such as? Have they burned down anything? Most of the anti-PETA crowd are just ignorant rednecks who think only homosexuals are vegetarians.

Either way, they have a perfectly valid point yet 90% of this thread is comprised of utterly infantile responses.

Actually yes, they have been linked with paying people to firebomb research labs and cause other malicious damage.

Also good job with the brainless slander that anti-PETA people are ignorant rednecks. Your credibility is about as bad as PETA's now.
You have a link to back up your claim regarding the firebombing? Can you explain how treating chicken this way is acceptable? Can you explain why you need to eat meat? All you people have been doing is pissing on PETA for no apparent reason other than that their position on the matter somehow offends you and I'M the one lacking credibility? Please.

As always, love the username. You do it justice. :)

HERE is some info, but it is with an anti-PETA bias so I am sure you will dismiss it.
Another link

Can you explain why you need to eat meat?
You never took a biology course, eh?
In case you don't know we are omnivores, meaning we eat basically what we can get our hands on. Our bodies are designed to eat and digest flesh, as well as fruits and veggies. Ever hear about us needing essential amino acids?
Yes, a vegetarian lifestyle is possible but it is not a 'natural' lifestyle. Meaning you have to live your life by choosing a mix of foods that is contrary to your innate biology. If you can do it, then more power to you. Most, if not all, the vegetarian people I have met in life are not getting their nutritional requirements due to their diet. They think they are doing the 'right' think but after a while they will suffer some consquences of depriving their body of needed macronutrients.
I have an undergrad degree in biology and therefore have studied one or two things about the metabolic pathways.
That is my credential, what is yours?

Besides that, it is besides the point. As other mentioned I should have the 'right' to eat meat if I so choose to. The question should be why should I not eat meat?

If PETA didn't take extremist actions, some of their arguements would be reasonable. Again they lost their credibility so with any stance they may take, it is hard to take them serious. Boy who cried wolf, if you would.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Babbles
If PETA didn't take extremist actions, some of their arguements would be reasonable. Again they lost their credibility so with any stance they may take, it is hard to take them serious. Boy who cried wolf, if you would.

It is hard to take them seriously, but that doesn't change whether a particular cause is relevant or not. Further, ridiculous positions on other matters does not change the validity of a particular issue. I don't agree with the president in many areas, but that doesn't mean I'm going to by default disagree with evertyhing he says.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Again: I really just want you guys to tell me why and how PETA is wrong here. That is the crux issue after all, no?

No one in this thread, I don't believe, stated it wasn't wrong. YOU are the one that said "Oh no. What a bunch of tree-hugging idiots.:roll: You guys are just dipshits once you see the PETA acronym. I mean, yes, they're occasionally waaaaaaaaay out there, but I don't see the problem with this."


I don't think anyone prior was jumping on peta, besides one person saying that they have lost creditibility, Once again Fausto blows something way out of proportion. :thumbsup:
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Fausto
In an open letter to KFC Chief Executive Officer David Novak, the Beastie Boys call for a halt to the fast-food chain's use of suppliers that break birds' beaks or use growth-inducing drugs.
Oh no. What a bunch of tree-hugging idiots. :roll:

You guys are just dipshits once you see the PETA acronym. I mean, yes, they're occasionally waaaaaaaaay out there, but I don't see the problem with this.

Essentially PETA has lost all of their credibility in mainstream society. It is hard to take them serious for anything they do, even if it may be reasonable. I have been seeing more and more anti-PETA billboards and even television commercials. That is how fed up most people are with them.

For every possible legitimate concern PETA has, they have countless other extremist actions.
Such as? Have they burned down anything? Most of the anti-PETA crowd are just ignorant rednecks who think only homosexuals are vegetarians.

Either way, they have a perfectly valid point yet 90% of this thread is comprised of utterly infantile responses.

Actually yes, they have been linked with paying people to firebomb research labs and cause other malicious damage.

Also good job with the brainless slander that anti-PETA people are ignorant rednecks. Your credibility is about as bad as PETA's now.
You have a link to back up your claim regarding the firebombing? Can you explain how treating chicken this way is acceptable? Can you explain why you need to eat meat? All you people have been doing is pissing on PETA for no apparent reason other than that their position on the matter somehow offends you and I'M the one lacking credibility? Please.

As always, love the username. You do it justice. :)

HERE is some info, but it is with an anti-PETA bias so I am sure you will dismiss it.
Another link

Can you explain why you need to eat meat?
You never took a biology course, eh?
In case you don't know we are omnivores, meaning we eat basically what we can get our hands on. Our bodies are designed to eat and digest flesh, as well as fruits and veggies. Ever hear about us needing essential amino acids?
Yes, a vegetarian lifestyle is possible but it is not a 'natural' lifestyle. Meaning you have to live your life by choosing a mix of foods that is contrary to your innate biology. If you can do it, then more power to you. Most, if not all, the vegetarian people I have met in life are not getting their nutritional requirements due to their diet. They think they are doing the 'right' think but after a while they will suffer some consquences of depriving their body of needed macronutrients.
I have an undergrad degree in biology and therefore have studied one or two things about the metabolic pathways.
That is my credential, what is yours?

Besides that, it is besides the point. As other mentioned I should have the 'right' to eat meat if I so choose to. The question should be why should I not eat meat?

If PETA didn't take extremist actions, some of their arguements would be reasonable. Again they lost their credibility so with any stance they may take, it is hard to take them serious. Boy who cried wolf, if you would.
Without getting bogged down in a bunch of sociological crap...

1) Even if true, the allegations against PETA do not make them wrong in this case. Nary a single person in this thread has explained how they could or do.

2) If you choose to eat meat (I do, by the way) do you really want the animal you eat to have lived and died horribly? Are you really sure all the crap they pump into them aren't going to have long-reaching effects later in your life?

 

CPA

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: CPA
Didn't the BBoys also hold a concert a few years ago to raise funds and awareness for a copkiller?

Yes, the Beastie Boys [washed up musicians] and Rage Against the Machine [more washed up tools] held a concert to provide money for legal fees for Mumia Abul Jamal. Mumia was convicted of killing police officer, Daniel Faulkner.

Thanks for the confirmation.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: CPA
Didn't the BBoys also hold a concert a few years ago to raise funds and awareness for a copkiller?

Yes, the Beastie Boys [washed up musicians] and Rage Against the Machine [more washed up tools] held a concert to provide money for legal fees for Mumia Abul Jamal. Mumia was convicted of killing police officer, Daniel Faulkner.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Yep, heard a lot about it on the news because Daniel Faulkner was a Philadelphia police officer.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Fausto
Again: I really just want you guys to tell me why and how PETA is wrong here. That is the crux issue after all, no?

No one in this thread, I don't believe, stated it wasn't wrong. YOU are the one that said "Oh no. What a bunch of tree-hugging idiots.:roll: You guys are just dipshits once you see the PETA acronym. I mean, yes, they're occasionally waaaaaaaaay out there, but I don't see the problem with this."


I don't think anyone prior was jumping on peta, besides one person saying that they have lost creditibility, Once again Fausto blows something way out of proportion. :thumbsup:
Are you kidding? The whole first page was a circle-jerk of "PETA SUCKS" and "TEH BEASTIE BOYS SUCK".

They need to go away already.

Who??

Beastie Boys- Trash music.

I always thought the Beastie Boys were a joke band, now I know.

BFD
They don't seem to have much relevance any more.

Beastie Boys now = Trash

etc, etc, etc.

 

Originally posted by: Tom
.... But not like it was back when the Colonel used to check up on his franchisees, personally.

You remember KFC from the 50s - 60s??
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Fausto
Again: I really just want you guys to tell me why and how PETA is wrong here. That is the crux issue after all, no?

No one in this thread, I don't believe, stated it wasn't wrong. YOU are the one that said "Oh no. What a bunch of tree-hugging idiots.:roll: You guys are just dipshits once you see the PETA acronym. I mean, yes, they're occasionally waaaaaaaaay out there, but I don't see the problem with this."


I don't think anyone prior was jumping on peta, besides one person saying that they have lost creditibility, Once again Fausto blows something way out of proportion. :thumbsup:
Are you kidding? The whole first page was a circle-jerk of "PETA SUCKS" and "TEH BEASTIE BOYS SUCK".

They need to go away already.

Who??

Beastie Boys- Trash music.

I always thought the Beastie Boys were a joke band, now I know.

BFD
They don't seem to have much relevance any more.

Beastie Boys now = Trash

etc, etc, etc.

God damn your thong must be on pretty tight today. One person mentions that they don't have any relevance any more and you blow it out of proportion. Every other comment is either about grabbing something to eat, or the beastie boys.

Edit. I can see if you are a fan of the beastie boys why you'd be pissed, but point the anger toward people hating the beastie boys and not PETA.
 

Babbles

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The important part of this thread, though, is that Beastie Boys music is now the lack.
 

dderidex

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: dderidex
Strange PETA would take up the "growth hormones" cause, as that's hardly animal cruelty...

But it's really not good for humans! Do you really want to eat meat that was pumped full of drugs to make it grow faster?

That's....kinda nasty.

You likely eat it all the time and don't know it... I'm not quite sure I like the idea, but whatever. But yes, that's my point, how is that an animal cruelty issue? It isn't. So why is PETA involved? Because they don't care what the issue that causes you to eat less animals is, as long as you eat less animals... Hence arguments like "fish have feelings too." Well no sh!t, you mean when I land a barbed hook in their mouth and drag them out of the water by it, it hurts!?! Whodathunkit?

Oh, I have no doubt I've consumed more of that crap than I'd like. Hell, I eat Quiznos and Subway all the time, and I'm SURE they don't care about where they get their meat, as long as it's cheap.

Still, I *prefer* to eat "organic" meats, so shop at organic food stores as often as possible. In order to be USDA-certified "organic", things like growth hormones and chemicals are not allowed, animal byproducts are forbidden from existing in animal feed (IE., ground up remains of dead livestock is commonly present in "conventional" animal feed - that's how mad cow disease spreads so easily in areas where it has appeared), animals are treated "humanely" ("crowded" living conditions are prohibited - another disease-causing situation, as well as animals being required to have access to the outdoors for natural light/air/food), no antibiotics pumped into the animals, "natural processing methods", etc.

Seriously, "organic" meats aren't just better FOR you, they are also better for the animal, and they are much tastier, IMHO.

And I'm sure the "organic" movement would not have near the success and widespread support it's getting without at least some of PETA's actions. So....I'm hardly going to argue with someone who wants to support them.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: dderidex
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: dderidex
Strange PETA would take up the "growth hormones" cause, as that's hardly animal cruelty...

But it's really not good for humans! Do you really want to eat meat that was pumped full of drugs to make it grow faster?

That's....kinda nasty.

You likely eat it all the time and don't know it... I'm not quite sure I like the idea, but whatever. But yes, that's my point, how is that an animal cruelty issue? It isn't. So why is PETA involved? Because they don't care what the issue that causes you to eat less animals is, as long as you eat less animals... Hence arguments like "fish have feelings too." Well no sh!t, you mean when I land a barbed hook in their mouth and drag them out of the water by it, it hurts!?! Whodathunkit?

Oh, I have no doubt I've consumed more of that crap than I'd like. Hell, I eat Quiznos and Subway all the time, and I'm SURE they don't care about where they get their meat, as long as it's cheap.

Still, I *prefer* to eat "organic" meats, so shop at organic food stores as often as possible. In order to be USDA-certified "organic", things like growth hormones and chemicals are not allowed, animal byproducts are forbidden from existing in animal feed (IE., ground up remains of dead livestock is commonly present in "conventional" animal feed - that's how mad cow disease spreads so easily in areas where it has appeared), animals are treated "humanely" ("crowded" living conditions are prohibited - another disease-causing situation, as well as animals being required to have access to the outdoors for natural light/air/food), no antibiotics pumped into the animals, "natural processing methods", etc.

Seriously, "organic" meats aren't just better FOR you, they are also better for the animal, and they are much tastier, IMHO.

And I'm sure the "organic" movement would not have near the success and widespread support it's getting without at least some of PETA's actions. So....I'm hardly going to argue with someone who wants to support them.

Well, you vote with your wallet, so it's not *that* important to you. Organic foods are often more expensive, as you note. I'm not bothering to look at it that deep for two reasons: first they mention the debeaking, but hell if I can find good info on it. Not in that article, nor their site. Second, they aren't creditable. Just like I dismiss things in the Enquirer.

Even if true, the allegations against PETA do not make them wrong in this case. Nary a single person in this thread has explained how they could or do.
Nor has anyone shown it's bad. PETA included. I looked on their site, saw a link to this is just a rehash of the same in the OP. Got a link to whats so wrong with debeaking? Why is it done?

Even this link contained in the above link is lacking in detail. Oh and look at the cartoon of Colonel Sanders slashing a chicken with a butchers knife... :roll: Nice.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: torpid
How is it bad if someone cuts off a human's nose? Stupid question? I agree.
Do we eat humans? :confused: You wouldn't approve of the way any animal was slaughtered with that approach.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: torpid
How is it bad if someone cuts off a human's nose? Stupid question? I agree.
Do we eat humans? :confused: You wouldn't approve of the way any animal was slaughtered with that approach.

Well ok. I guess we can stick needles into them randomly, cut off one foot, shock them, torture them, or anything because in the end we just end up slaughtering them and then eating them. Is that your argument?
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: torpid
How is it bad if someone cuts off a human's nose? Stupid question? I agree.
Do we eat humans? :confused: You wouldn't approve of the way any animal was slaughtered with that approach.

Well ok. I guess we can stick needles into them randomly, cut off one foot, shock them, torture them, or anything because in the end we just end up slaughtering them and then eating them. Is that your argument?

Yes, that's exactlly what I said... :roll:

If you want to know what I said, read it. I have asked numerous times in this thread for someone to explain what happens during debeaking, and why it occurs. The answer isn't always as simple as one thinks, and it certianly hasn't been posted in this thread.

So you going to answer or just keep throwing out cute comparisons that can't have a basis in the argument if we don't even know what/why debeaking occurs?

If your going to convince me debeaking is bad, explain it. For example; if it's something that occurs in .01% of all slaughtering because of equipment failure, I'll care less than if it's standard practice to cut their beaks off, place bets on how long it'll live before it bleeds out. See the difference? I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between...

So while Fausto keeps saying "OMG isn't debeaking horrible, why slam PETA for past actions?" shouldn't we be asking "what is debeaking?" first?

Don't put the carriage before the horse.
 

mwtgg

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American poultry and egg producers using battery cages and crowded floor systems remove one half to two thirds of the birds' beaks to reduce "cannibalistic" pecking. Cannibalism--compulsive picking, not eating--is an abnormal behavior of domestic fowl kept in close, crowded confinement. It results from the abnormal restriction of the normal span of activities of a healthy, ranging fowl.
 

OulOat

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Originally posted by: Fausto

2) If you choose to eat meat (I do, by the way) do you really want the animal you eat to have lived and died horribly?

You seem to forget you are talking about a fvcking chicken. Chickens wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for us. I don't care about chickens. I don't even care about dogs. Us asians, we eat dogs. And cats. Old Yeller and Garfield would make a fine stew.

Are you really sure all the crap they pump into them aren't going to have long-reaching effects later in your life?

You should stop breathing now. Who knows what all the chemicals in the air might do to you later in life.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
American poultry and egg producers using battery cages and crowded floor systems remove one half to two thirds of the birds' beaks to reduce "cannibalistic" pecking. Cannibalism--compulsive picking, not eating--is an abnormal behavior of domestic fowl kept in close, crowded confinement. It results from the abnormal restriction of the normal span of activities of a healthy, ranging fowl.

So they are debeaked to keep them from pecking each other, creating wounds that could get infected and cause sickness, or just flat-out killing the bird?

Those bastards!

Next thing you know, they'll be forcing prisoners to cut their fingernails so they can't scratch each other to death. Teh horror! :roll: