BDS, Zionism, Antisemitism, Anticolonism, Pro-palestine, confused? read on.

brandonb

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Awwww poor Jews. They don't like it when people organize and bad mouth their ill treatment towards Palestinians or their "free trips to Israel." Now it makes Jews feel uncomfortable and that needs to stop!

Maybe they should reflect on what they do, and should change their behavior if necessary. Better yet, come back down to earth. You are God's chosen people no longer.
 

Jhhnn

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Israel wore out their cover story, that they're negotiating for peace with the Palestinians. They never have been, something the American public is finally figuring out despite the intense propaganda. Nearly 50 years of occupation & expropriation tell the real story.
 

OverVolt

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I don't really care that much either way, oddly enough.

I see it as a misunderstanding of history. A bandwagon of stupidity.

From Ferguson to Palestine? Are you kidding me? That is one of their talking points? Lol.
 
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Moonbeam

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The Jews after the Holocaust and the US after 911 managed to blow the good will of the rest of the world by embarking on the path of aggression.
 

nickqt

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The Jews after the Holocaust and the US after 911 managed to blow the good will of the rest of the world by embarking on the path of aggression.

Israel, perhaps.

"Jews", not so much.

Most Jewish people in the US aren't rabid right-wing jingoists for the US or Israel.
 

finglobes

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SKetchy people always resent decent people. That's why the increasingly malignant left hates Christisians, Israel etc but helps Muslims who would kill them. Say "Muhammed" and nobody feels threatened. Say "Jesus" and some people get spooked. ISIS, Al Qaeda etc. don't really shame anybody psychologically. Even though they throw homosexuals off buildings and hang them, Obama and lefties still feel a kinship with them. They know AQ, ISIS etc are crazy so they don't feel psychically threatened. The Boy Scouts, Salvation Army on the other hand really threaten. Basically decent people declaring standards to protect and uplift character, innoicence etc really bother people with dark impulses. Its pretty obvious the Palestinains are blood lusters. Any society or culture that dresses babies and toddlers up as suicide bombers deserves to be on hard times. Even other Arabs cant stand Pals and never wanted to help them. Arafat was offered all Pals could want and he turned it down. Jews (and I'm not one) are successful at everything. Lesser people hate them and always have. Kofi Annan said it was embarassing how openly many UN members hated Jews. That why its interesting to see Arabs joing with Israel against Iran and others. Saudi Arabia doesn't care about Pals like psycho Obama (who thought Saudis would be happy with his making Israel and enemy and Iran a friend) Muslims like pals on the other hand aren't good for much. Forner Pali president Musharaff could have been talking about Pals when he said "The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness. "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates." Thanks to Obama's treachery Israel will be forced to use nukes. Just watch what happens there.
 

CZroe

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The Jews after the Holocaust and the US after 911 managed to blow the good will of the rest of the world by embarking on the path of aggression.

Racist. Jews != Israel. You've been blinded by hate-mangers.
 

SMOGZINN

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So, I have heard a lot about how Israel is the bad guy here. What I never hear is a solution. If you are against the current occupation then how do you think Israel should handle the Palestine problem?
 

CZroe

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I had to google what BDS stood for

that alone should show you how much thought I have put into the issue

You could have clicked the article:
NewYorkTimes said:
The movement is part of the broader Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions campaign, or B.D.S., which has spread in recent years both in Europe and the United States.
 
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SKetchy people always resent decent people. That's why the increasingly malignant left hates Christisians, Israel etc but helps Muslims who would kill them. Say "Muhammed" and nobody feels threatened. Say "Jesus" and some people get spooked. ISIS, Al Qaeda etc. don't really shame anybody psychologically. Even though they throw homosexuals off buildings and hang them, Obama and lefties still feel a kinship with them. They know AQ, ISIS etc are crazy so they don't feel psychically threatened. The Boy Scouts, Salvation Army on the other hand really threaten. Basically decent people declaring standards to protect and uplift character, innoicence etc really bother people with dark impulses. Its pretty obvious the Palestinains are blood lusters. Any society or culture that dresses babies and toddlers up as suicide bombers deserves to be on hard times. Even other Arabs cant stand Pals and never wanted to help them. Arafat was offered all Pals could want and he turned it down. Jews (and I'm not one) are successful at everything. Lesser people hate them and always have. Kofi Annan said it was embarassing how openly many UN members hated Jews. That why its interesting to see Arabs joing with Israel against Iran and others. Saudi Arabia doesn't care about Pals like psycho Obama (who thought Saudis would be happy with his making Israel and enemy and Iran a friend) Muslims like pals on the other hand aren't good for much. Forner Pali president Musharaff could have been talking about Pals when he said "The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness. "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates." Thanks to Obama's treachery Israel will be forced to use nukes. Just watch what happens there.

6 out of 10 on the Rant Scale. Needs more 'wall of text'.
 

rommelrommel

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SKetchy people always resent decent people. That's why the increasingly malignant left hates Christisians, Israel etc but helps Muslims who would kill them. Say "Muhammed" and nobody feels threatened. Say "Jesus" and some people get spooked. ISIS, Al Qaeda etc. don't really shame anybody psychologically. Even though they throw homosexuals off buildings and hang them, Obama and lefties still feel a kinship with them. They know AQ, ISIS etc are crazy so they don't feel psychically threatened. The Boy Scouts, Salvation Army on the other hand really threaten. Basically decent people declaring standards to protect and uplift character, innoicence etc really bother people with dark impulses. Its pretty obvious the Palestinains are blood lusters. Any society or culture that dresses babies and toddlers up as suicide bombers deserves to be on hard times. Even other Arabs cant stand Pals and never wanted to help them. Arafat was offered all Pals could want and he turned it down. Jews (and I'm not one) are successful at everything. Lesser people hate them and always have. Kofi Annan said it was embarassing how openly many UN members hated Jews. That why its interesting to see Arabs joing with Israel against Iran and others. Saudi Arabia doesn't care about Pals like psycho Obama (who thought Saudis would be happy with his making Israel and enemy and Iran a friend) Muslims like pals on the other hand aren't good for much. Forner Pali president Musharaff could have been talking about Pals when he said "The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness. "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates." Thanks to Obama's treachery Israel will be forced to use nukes. Just watch what happens there.

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Whiskey16

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... how do you think Israel should handle the Palestine problem?
The notion of Zionism for a Jewish nationality rose out of the expressed 19th century question of the Jewish problem arising from xenophobic anti-Semitism (a phrase coined at the same time to characterise the bigotedly perceived justified maligning of Jews) in Europe.

Palestinian problem? An interesting way to phrase the maligning of a indigenous population that has been illegally displaced without rights of return nor promised compensation under ethnic cleansing, and the remaining populations in Gaza and the West bank continuing to face the Israeli employment of the legal crime of Apartheid. No hyperbole -- the facts on the ground.

The core problem is of Israeli state policy to continually practice high international crimes beyond its state jurisdiction. Problem, SMOGZINN? A start to the resolution is for the State of Israeli to be shamed and even economically sanctioned to reverse its criminal, immoral, and antagonistically expansionist ways. The State of Israel exists and is defined. Be content with what the Zionist movement achieved. Stop the continuing and long vilified German progrom of lebensraum (...we are short on space, let us be free into the East..) and join the civilised world to avoid rational and warranted protest.

Protesting the State of Israel for the rational recognition of its crimes most certainly is not anti-Semitism. Absolutely, a few will tag along to use a critique of Israel for a means to target Jews -- though such a miniscule presence of band wagonning bigots may not taint the core of any non-bigoted movement. State actors and policies are open to critique. Israel does not speak for nor categorically represents Judaism and Jews. The Hasbara is desperately trying to taint validated criticism as hate speech. No such an outright dishonest conflation
is a sign of how desperate the right-wing and overtly aggressive Zionist expansionist movement has become.

....Here is a day old story in Canada, on the very same topic:

Ottawa cites hate crime laws when asked about its 'zero tolerance' for Israel boycotters

Blaney's office cites 'comprehensive' hate laws for new zero tolerance plans

By Neil Macdonald, CBC News Posted: May 11, 2015 5:00 AM ET






The Harper government is signalling its intention to use hate crime laws against Canadian advocacy groups that encourage boycotts of Israel.
Such a move could target a range of civil society organizations, from the United Church of Canada and the Canadian Quakers to campus protest groups and labour unions.

If carried out, it would be a remarkably aggressive tactic, and another measure of the Conservative government's lockstep support for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.






While the federal government certainly has the authority to assign priorities, such as pursuing certain types of hate speech, to the RCMP, any resulting prosecution would require an assent from a provincial attorney general.
And it would almost certainly be challenged under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, civil liberties groups say.

The government's intention was made clear in a response to inquiries from CBC News about statements by federal ministers of a "zero tolerance" approach to groups participating in a loose coalition called Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS), which was begun in 2006 at the request of Palestinian non-governmental organizations.

Asked to explain what zero tolerance means, and what is being done to enforce it, a spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney replied, four days later, with a detailed list of Canada's updated hate laws, noting that Canada has one of the most comprehensive sets of such laws "anywhere in the world."

Successful tactic

The BDS tactic has been far more successful for the Palestinians than armed struggle. And it has caught on internationally, angering Israel, which reckons boycotts could cost its economy hundreds of millions of dollars.

Just last month, 16 European foreign ministers denounced the "expansion of Israeli illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories," demanding that any imported goods originating in the settlements be distinctly labeled.

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In January, Canada's then foreign affairs minister, John Baird, signed a "memorandum of understanding" with Israeli authorities in Jerusalem, pledging to combat BDS.

It described the movement as "the new face of anti-Semitism."
A few days later, at the UN, Canadian Public Security Minister Steven Blaney went much further.

He conflated boycotts of Israel with anti-Semitic hate speech and violence, including the deadly attacks that had just taken place in Paris on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and a kosher supermarket.

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Blaney then said the government is taking a "zero tolerance" approach to BDS.

Coming as it did from the minister responsible for federal law enforcement, the speech alarmed groups that have, to varying degrees, supported boycotts, believing them an effective tool to bring about an end to Israel's occupation and colonization of the West Bank, and its tight grip on Gaza.
Some of these groups had noted that the government changed the Criminal Code definition of hate speech last year, adding the criterion of "national origin" to race and religion.

This change could, they feared, effectively lump people who speak against Israel in with those who speak against Jews.

Micheal Vonn, a lawyer for the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association, says the expanded definition is clearly "a tool to go after critics of Israel."

Constitutionally protected

Canadian civil liberties groups maintain that boycotts are a long-recognized form of political expression, and therefore constitutionally protected.

In March, the Canadian Quakers wrote a letter to Foreign Affairs Minister Rob Nicholson, expressing concern about Blaney's speech and protesting the label of anti-Semitism.
Israel is desperate to avoid facing widespread and validated scrutiny for its crimes. The sad irony is that despite having long successfully achieved nationalist Zionist goals for the diaspora Jews in response to centuries of European anti-Semitism, the state goal of Israel is to still deny Palestinian nationality and statehood while illegally expand Israeli territory at the expense and rights of the ethnically targeted indigenous populations, Palestinians. More widely popularised protesting campaigns and economic embargoes will deter the freedom to retain the aggressive pace to commit such aggressive crimes.
 
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