BCS Rankings Revealed on Fox Sports

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

They were, but they smacked down the SEC Champs last year (UGA) in the Sugar Bowl which means they are the reigning champs (in a fecetious way).

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: ElFenix
SEC is the most overrated conference in the history of sports. they have a bunch of teams that are inconsistent and horrendous on offense (auburn did not score an offensive touchdown). the best team in the league got blown out by USC. the defending champs (who are still ranked in some polls) almost lost to colorado (potentially the worst team in all of 1A football), at home no less. and yet they get tons of computer love because a bunch of mediocre teams playing a bunch of other mediocre teams makes at least a couple of them look like they're decent. that bias in the human polls and the inherent flaw of the computers (who can't watch games, so can't tell that teams are mediocre) has pumped up the SEC (and USC, who is only 8 points better than baylor). the biggest problem with the SEC is that teams are unable to find the endzone. no, it isn't good defense. it's craptacular offense. it's not good football.


and not including margin of victory is the dumbest thing ever. margin matters. yes, games can be closer than the score would indicate (auburn-florida, for example), but those games are not common.

Arkansas WILL be the 2008 National Champions. Remember you heard it here first.

Yup - every time I'm having a case of the Mondays and need a good laugh, I'll remember this post.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

THANK YOU! Enough pissing and moaning about UWV not playing anyone when just about the entire team is returning from their Sugar Bowl dominance of Georgia. I know that was last year and this is now, but it was essentially a road game for them and they still whipped up on the SEC champion under one of the biggest spotlights for this team in decades, if that doesn't show you they can at least challenge most of these major conference teams then you're delusional or purposely ignorant.

I'm not gonna bellyache over Auburn being ahead of UWV right now, I think the rankings as a whole are pretty good and predict things will change with time. But if UWV beats Louisville and they still arn't at least #4 in the BCS then something is terribly wrong.

The final score was 38-35, hardly domination.

Steve Slaton set the SUGAR BOWL RUSHING RECORD, which dates back to 1935. WVU was up 28-0 in the 1st Q, then got lazy (like they always do after huge leads). WVU let UGA back in the game, yeah, but if you saw the first half of the game it was nothing more than a route. Not to mention, this game was in the GEORGIA DOME which meant home field advantage for UGA (I was at the game, it was a sea of red).

They have virtually the same team this year, and to reiterate are the reigning SEC champions. They should be ranked ahead of USC because they have dominated their nonranked opponents by more.

but wv has only played unranked opponents,

they have beaten, marhsall, eastern washington, maryland, east carolina, mississipi state, and syracuse, hardly great wins.

Not great wins since they were unranked opponents but they have dominated every game, something that USC hasn't done except for their win over Arkansas which was the first game of the season (their young QB has just started to come into his own). So the computers are insanely biased toward USC because Arkansas has now transformed into a good team, but they were totally different when the two played.

Aside from that, you cannot honestly tell me that USC would beat WVU if they played TODAY. WVU's high powered spread offense with White (better than Michael Vick), Slaton, Reynaud, and Schmitt would give that below average USC defense a smackdown they haven't seen since Vince Young embarrassed them on national TV. Especially considering the fact that USC barely, barely won their last 3 games over UNRANKED opponents. Key word here: barely. If you're willing to put $$$$ (5,10,20,50) down that USC will beat Notre Dame@USC then I'll take that bet. To reiterate, USC is way overrated right now and WVU should be ahead of them in the polls. Anyone who saw them demolish Syracuse for 457 rushing yards on Saturday knows what I mean.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

THANK YOU! Enough pissing and moaning about UWV not playing anyone when just about the entire team is returning from their Sugar Bowl dominance of Georgia. I know that was last year and this is now, but it was essentially a road game for them and they still whipped up on the SEC champion under one of the biggest spotlights for this team in decades, if that doesn't show you they can at least challenge most of these major conference teams then you're delusional or purposely ignorant.

I'm not gonna bellyache over Auburn being ahead of UWV right now, I think the rankings as a whole are pretty good and predict things will change with time. But if UWV beats Louisville and they still arn't at least #4 in the BCS then something is terribly wrong.

The final score was 38-35, hardly domination.

Steve Slaton set the SUGAR BOWL RUSHING RECORD, which dates back to 1935. WVU was up 28-0 in the 1st Q, then got lazy (like they always do after huge leads). WVU let UGA back in the game, yeah, but if you saw the first half of the game it was nothing more than a route. Not to mention, this game was in the GEORGIA DOME which meant home field advantage for UGA (I was at the game, it was a sea of red).

They have virtually the same team this year, and to reiterate are the reigning SEC champions. They should be ranked ahead of USC because they have dominated their nonranked opponents by more.

but wv has only played unranked opponents,

they have beaten, marhsall, eastern washington, maryland, east carolina, mississipi state, and syracuse, hardly great wins.

Not great wins since they were unranked opponents but they have dominated every game, something that USC hasn't done except for their win over Arkansas which was the first game of the season (their young QB has just started to come into his own). So the computers are insanely biased toward USC because Arkansas has now transformed into a good team, but they were totally different when the two played.

Aside from that, you cannot honestly tell me that USC would beat WVU if they played TODAY. WVU's high powered spread offense with White (better than Michael Vick), Slaton, Reynaud, and Schmitt would give that below average USC defense a smackdown they haven't seen since Vince Young embarrassed them on national TV. Especially considering the fact that USC barely, barely won their last 3 games over UNRANKED opponents. Key word here: barely. If you're willing to put $$$$ (5,10,20,50) down that USC will beat Notre Dame@USC then I'll take that bet. To reiterate, USC is way overrated right now and WVU should be ahead of them in the polls. Anyone who saw them demolish Syracuse for 457 rushing yards on Saturday knows what I mean.

i think beating arkansas at home and beating a ranked nebraska means more than dominating unraked teams like wvu has done. The ranking is for this season only, but usc has won 30 straight at home. So while at this point cal at home and nd at home look like games usc might have trouble with, I think they will squeak through them. remember this team has lost just twice in over 50 games (both by just 3 points). I think the ranking at this points are about right. osu , sc, michigan and auburn, all have atleast 1 good win over a ranked team, wvu at this point cant say that, ofcourse if they beat louisville, that will change and they will probably surpass auburn.

 

[Syringer]

There's absolutely no reason why Cal should be ahead of Tennessee.

 

[Garet Jax]

BCS Rankings = the succor

There is too much subjectivity in the process = no different than judged sports (boxing, figure skating).

The only true way to tell the national champion is to have a play off. Top eights teams (by the BCS ranking).

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

THANK YOU! Enough pissing and moaning about UWV not playing anyone when just about the entire team is returning from their Sugar Bowl dominance of Georgia. I know that was last year and this is now, but it was essentially a road game for them and they still whipped up on the SEC champion under one of the biggest spotlights for this team in decades, if that doesn't show you they can at least challenge most of these major conference teams then you're delusional or purposely ignorant.

I'm not gonna bellyache over Auburn being ahead of UWV right now, I think the rankings as a whole are pretty good and predict things will change with time. But if UWV beats Louisville and they still arn't at least #4 in the BCS then something is terribly wrong.

The final score was 38-35, hardly domination.

Steve Slaton set the SUGAR BOWL RUSHING RECORD, which dates back to 1935. WVU was up 28-0 in the 1st Q, then got lazy (like they always do after huge leads). WVU let UGA back in the game, yeah, but if you saw the first half of the game it was nothing more than a route. Not to mention, this game was in the GEORGIA DOME which meant home field advantage for UGA (I was at the game, it was a sea of red).

They have virtually the same team this year, and to reiterate are the reigning SEC champions. They should be ranked ahead of USC because they have dominated their nonranked opponents by more.

but wv has only played unranked opponents,

they have beaten, marhsall, eastern washington, maryland, east carolina, mississipi state, and syracuse, hardly great wins.

You can't have it both ways. You say their schedule is weak, so we counter by stating they played and beat the Champion of the SEC last year in their backyard with almost the same team they're feilding right now. It's not their fault other teams in the Big East arn't as good as UWV and Louisville are, they can only beat (and usually thoroughly trounce) who they play, and who they play are teams in the Big East where they have no control over how good each one is.

You're right, they haven't played anyone spectacular this season yet, but they also haven't lost or nearly choked against any of them either, so what do you want them to do? They have a Heisman contender getting almost 200 rushing yards a game no matter who they play, wouldn't you think if UWV was fradulent they would have a letdown game against one of these mediocre Big East teams who know UWV from years past and can gameplan against them? Have you even seen one of their 2 nationally televised games this year so far? They run over ANY team they play, these teams key in on the run and still can't stop Slaton or White even though they know one of them will run it 80% of the time.

 

[TravisT]

Boomer Sooner!

 

[Jgtdragon]

Everyone is looking at USC vs. Cal. I think USC will lose to Oregon before they play Cal. Why is CAl ahead of UT? Maybe becasue Cal has been blowing everyone out since week 1.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Jgtdragon
Everyone is looking at USC vs. Cal. I think USC will lose to Oregon before they play Cal. Why is CAl ahead of UT? Maybe becasue Cal has been blowing everyone out since week 1.

Margin of victory is no longer part of the BCS equation. Try again.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: ElFenix
SEC is the most overrated conference in the history of sports. they have a bunch of teams that are inconsistent and horrendous on offense (auburn did not score an offensive touchdown). the best team in the league got blown out by USC. the defending champs (who are still ranked in some polls) almost lost to colorado (potentially the worst team in all of 1A football), at home no less. and yet they get tons of computer love because a bunch of mediocre teams playing a bunch of other mediocre teams makes at least a couple of them look like they're decent. that bias in the human polls and the inherent flaw of the computers (who can't watch games, so can't tell that teams are mediocre) has pumped up the SEC (and USC, who is only 8 points better than baylor). the biggest problem with the SEC is that teams are unable to find the endzone. no, it isn't good defense. it's craptacular offense. it's not good football.


and not including margin of victory is the dumbest thing ever. margin matters. yes, games can be closer than the score would indicate (auburn-florida, for example), but those games are not common.

Arkansas WILL be the 2008 National Champions. Remember you heard it here first.

Yup - every time I'm having a case of the Mondays and need a good laugh, I'll remember this post.

Yeah, keep laughing, Arkansas is going to the best team in the SEC next year and will go 11-1 or 12-0. Just watch.

And no Im not from Arkansas, nor do I go to Arkansas, but their team is a diamond in the rough.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: ElFenix
SEC is the most overrated conference in the history of sports. they have a bunch of teams that are inconsistent and horrendous on offense (auburn did not score an offensive touchdown). the best team in the league got blown out by USC. the defending champs (who are still ranked in some polls) almost lost to colorado (potentially the worst team in all of 1A football), at home no less. and yet they get tons of computer love because a bunch of mediocre teams playing a bunch of other mediocre teams makes at least a couple of them look like they're decent. that bias in the human polls and the inherent flaw of the computers (who can't watch games, so can't tell that teams are mediocre) has pumped up the SEC (and USC, who is only 8 points better than baylor). the biggest problem with the SEC is that teams are unable to find the endzone. no, it isn't good defense. it's craptacular offense. it's not good football.


and not including margin of victory is the dumbest thing ever. margin matters. yes, games can be closer than the score would indicate (auburn-florida, for example), but those games are not common.

Arkansas WILL be the 2008 National Champions. Remember you heard it here first.

Yup - every time I'm having a case of the Mondays and need a good laugh, I'll remember this post.

Yeah, keep laughing, Arkansas is going to the best team in the SEC next year and will go 11-1 or 12-0. Just watch.

And no Im not from Arkansas, nor do I go to Arkansas, but their team is a diamond in the rough.

McFadden is a monster and Mustain continues to improve.

 

[AbAbber2k]

USC is overrated. We (unranked WSU) almost beat them with a powerful drive in the last 30sec of the game, whereas Cal absolutely destroyed us (21-3).

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Jgtdragon
Everyone is looking at USC vs. Cal. I think USC will lose to Oregon before they play Cal. Why is CAl ahead of UT? Maybe becasue Cal has been blowing everyone out since week 1.

Margin of victory is no longer part of the BCS equation. Try again.

It's hard to say that Cal will beat USC. Sure USC is playing like crap, but Cal is not that great. There were great blowouts against Arizona State and Oregon but those games were at HOME. Look at the Wazzu game on Sat and Cal was nowhere near impressive. Playing at the Colliseum will be insanely difficult, and I don't think we'll have anywhere as near of an explosive offense as 2 years ago when we played USC in LA. You think Nate will be throwing 23 straight completions like Aaron Rodgers? I doubt it.

Now if USC happens to struggle that week, then we might have a damn good chance of coming close or beating them.

Oregon has a good chance too, but if they can be shut down by Cal that easily, I think USC shouldn't have that much trouble.

USC could easily escape and find themselves in a third straight championship game, but that's mainly because of the weak Pac-10.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: ElFenix
SEC is the most overrated conference in the history of sports. they have a bunch of teams that are inconsistent and horrendous on offense (auburn did not score an offensive touchdown). the best team in the league got blown out by USC. the defending champs (who are still ranked in some polls) almost lost to colorado (potentially the worst team in all of 1A football), at home no less. and yet they get tons of computer love because a bunch of mediocre teams playing a bunch of other mediocre teams makes at least a couple of them look like they're decent. that bias in the human polls and the inherent flaw of the computers (who can't watch games, so can't tell that teams are mediocre) has pumped up the SEC (and USC, who is only 8 points better than baylor). the biggest problem with the SEC is that teams are unable to find the endzone. no, it isn't good defense. it's craptacular offense. it's not good football.


and not including margin of victory is the dumbest thing ever. margin matters. yes, games can be closer than the score would indicate (auburn-florida, for example), but those games are not common.

Arkansas WILL be the 2008 National Champions. Remember you heard it here first.

Yup - every time I'm having a case of the Mondays and need a good laugh, I'll remember this post.

Yeah, keep laughing, Arkansas is going to the best team in the SEC next year and will go 11-1 or 12-0. Just watch.

And no Im not from Arkansas, nor do I go to Arkansas, but their team is a diamond in the rough.

McFadden is a monster and Mustain continues to improve.

We (Arkansas) need to start moving the ball in the air though. It appears we are a one dimensional team. Stop the run, and you beat Arkansas; its that simple.
Hopefully now that Houston Nutt has an offensive coordinator, who calls the plays intead of him, the offense will eventually become more "balanced"; without abandoning the run alltogether (It would be foolish to abandon the run with McFadden & F. Jones in the backfield).

On the defensive side of the ball, Arkansas needs to recruit a shut-down corner that can be left by himself on the island. Arkansas's aggressive play on the defensive side of the ball leaves them open for the big play; it never fails.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

They were, but they smacked down the SEC Champs last year (UGA) in the Sugar Bowl which means they are the reigning champs (in a fecetious way).

I don't think it works that way in any sport but boxing...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Jgtdragon
Everyone is looking at USC vs. Cal. I think USC will lose to Oregon before they play Cal. Why is CAl ahead of UT? Maybe becasue Cal has been blowing everyone out since week 1.

Margin of victory is no longer part of the BCS equation. Try again.

You don't think the coaches or those who participate in the Harris poll take margin of victory into consideration when they vote?

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

They were, but they smacked down the SEC Champs last year (UGA) in the Sugar Bowl which means they are the reigning champs (in a fecetious way).

I don't think it works that way in any sport but boxing...

Please.. obviously they didn't become the SEC champions by beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, but the Big East champ did beat the SEC champ and you can't take that away from them. You can bicker and whine all you want about Georgia perhaps not being the best SEC team of last year, but that only makes you sound like an anti-Big East fool looking for an excuse to minimize an incredible accomplishment against a superior team from a superior conference with superior talent. Here's proof they can compete with the big boys, yet you still want to quibble over exaggerated technicalities like calling them the SEC champs. I'm still waiting for the "it was just one game" excuse.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Please.. obviously they didn't become the SEC champions by beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, but the Big East champ did beat the SEC champ and you can't take that away from them. You can bicker and whine all you want about Georgia perhaps not being the best SEC team of last year, but that only makes you sound like an anti-Big East fool looking for an excuse to minimize an incredible accomplishment against a superior team from a superior conference with superior talent. Here's proof they can compete with the big boys, yet you still want to quibble over exaggerated technicalities like calling them the SEC champs. I'm still waiting for the "it was just one game" excuse.

Why are you guys arguing so much about last year? That no longer matters. IMO, WVU is a very good team, but their schedule is a joke. They should have played better competition for their non-conference games if they wanted to be taken more seriously.

 

[sciencewhiz]

This thread reminds me of a few years back, just replace WVU/Louisville with USC.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Michigan's #3 just as expected...I guess I can't complain

if Michigan wins out they will go because that means beating Ohio State....and I think Michigan will beat Ohio State this year...just a hunch.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
This thread reminds me of a few years back, just replace WVU/Louisville with USC.

lol, same here
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1176538&enterthread=y&arctab=y

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

They were, but they smacked down the SEC Champs last year (UGA) in the Sugar Bowl which means they are the reigning champs (in a fecetious way).

I don't think it works that way in any sport but boxing...

Please.. obviously they didn't become the SEC champions by beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, but the Big East champ did beat the SEC champ and you can't take that away from them. You can bicker and whine all you want about Georgia perhaps not being the best SEC team of last year, but that only makes you sound like an anti-Big East fool looking for an excuse to minimize an incredible accomplishment against a superior team from a superior conference with superior talent. Here's proof they can compete with the big boys, yet you still want to quibble over exaggerated technicalities like calling them the SEC champs. I'm still waiting for the "it was just one game" excuse.

First explain how it's a technicality.

And please show where I bickered or whined about Georgia not being the best SEC team last year. Then, show where I minimized WV's win.


Thanks

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
I think Auburn is the most overrated right now. Go Vols!

Auburn (with one loss) ahead of undefeated WVU is a freaking joke. WVU is the reigning SEC champion from last year.

West Virginia wasn't in the Big East Conference last year?

They were, but they smacked down the SEC Champs last year (UGA) in the Sugar Bowl which means they are the reigning champs (in a fecetious way).

I don't think it works that way in any sport but boxing...

Please.. obviously they didn't become the SEC champions by beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, but the Big East champ did beat the SEC champ and you can't take that away from them. You can bicker and whine all you want about Georgia perhaps not being the best SEC team of last year, but that only makes you sound like an anti-Big East fool looking for an excuse to minimize an incredible accomplishment against a superior team from a superior conference with superior talent. Here's proof they can compete with the big boys, yet you still want to quibble over exaggerated technicalities like calling them the SEC champs. I'm still waiting for the "it was just one game" excuse.

First explain how it's a technicality.

And please show where I bickered or whined about Georgia not being the best SEC team last year. Then, show where I minimized WV's win.


Thanks

I made a generalization that you could bicker and whine about it that wasn't directed at you, it was ment for those who have tried to minimize the win by saying Georgia wasn't even the best SEC team, or that they didn't have THAT good a run defense, etc etc. The 'technicality' I'm talking about was SP33Demon calling them the SEC champs in a fecetious way. Of course they're not the SEC champs, but since so many consider the Big East to be a fraud conference and SEC to be one of the best, fecetiously supplanting UWV as the SEC champ by beating Georgia in the Sugar Bowl is just a way of saying they beat the the winner of a conference on the polar opposite of where the Big East is considered to be. I wasn't trying to insult or bash your opinions on the subject, so sorry if it came out that way.