bunnyfubbles
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do we really want to lock TCU and Boise out of the NCG? If 4 teams go undefeated its entirely possible to see TCU and Boise play each other, and we certainly don't want that.
You're going to get hammered for saying this but it's really quite true. The SEC has a rep of being a tough conference because they play all of these ranked teams, except all the ranked teams they play are in the SEC. It's a circular argument: they're good because they beat ranked teams (other SEC teams) and they're ranked because they're good (because those teams beat other SEC teams).
If you want to get picky you'll notice these SEC stats:
12 teams
A total of 48 non-conference games
TWO of 48 NC games against ranked opponents (4.167%)
ONE of 48 NC games won against ranked opponents (2.083%)
ELEVEN of 48 NC games against D1-AA cupcakes (22.917%)
TWENTY-THREE of 48 NC games against "powerhouse" programs like San Jose State, Duke, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, Clemson, South Florida, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisville, Western Kentucky, Akron, Tulane, Fresno State, Memphis, Troy, Northwestern, Connecticut, and Eastern Michigan (47.917%)
That means that the conference as a whole played 34 out of 48 (70.833%) games of their collective non-conference schedule against 1-AA teams and bad 1-A teams. 12 out of 48 (25%) games were against respectable 1-A opponents. 2 out of 48 (4.167%) were against very good 1-A opponents.
That, my friends, is nothing at all to brag about when you want to tout yourself as the best around and other people point out your non-conference xenophobia.
.....That, my friends, is nothing at all to brag about when you want to tout yourself as the best around and other people point out your non-conference xenophobia.
You're going to get hammered for saying this but it's really quite true. The SEC has a rep of being a tough conference because they play all of these ranked teams, except all the ranked teams they play are in the SEC. It's a circular argument: they're good because they beat ranked teams (other SEC teams) and they're ranked because they're good (because those teams beat other SEC teams).
If you want to get picky you'll notice these SEC stats:
12 teams
A total of 48 non-conference games
TWO of 48 NC games against ranked opponents (4.167%)
ONE of 48 NC games won against ranked opponents (2.083%)
ELEVEN of 48 NC games against D1-AA cupcakes (22.917%)
TWENTY-THREE of 48 NC games against "powerhouse" programs like San Jose State, Duke, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, Clemson, South Florida, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisville, Western Kentucky, Akron, Tulane, Fresno State, Memphis, Troy, Northwestern, Connecticut, and Eastern Michigan (47.917%)
That means that the conference as a whole played 34 out of 48 (70.833%) games of their collective non-conference schedule against 1-AA teams and bad 1-A teams. 12 out of 48 (25%) games were against respectable 1-A opponents. 2 out of 48 (4.167%) were against very good 1-A opponents.
That, my friends, is nothing at all to brag about when you want to tout yourself as the best around and other people point out your non-conference xenophobia.
Boise St. Fucked over again. How many years have gone by without a loss? Playoffs are so badly needed its fucking rediculous.
Blah blah blah a 1 loss SEC team is better than Boise! The big schools would crush these teams!!! LOL, remember when Oklahoma was supposed to pound the shit out of Boise? Yeah, I do.
If the SEC is really 14 billion times harder than everyone else like people make it out to be then just crown the SEC winner the NC.
You're going to get hammered for saying this but it's really quite true. The SEC has a rep of being a tough conference because they play all of these ranked teams, except all the ranked teams they play are in the SEC. It's a circular argument: they're good because they beat ranked teams (other SEC teams) and they're ranked because they're good (because those teams beat other SEC teams).
If you want to get picky you'll notice these SEC stats:
12 teams
A total of 48 non-conference games
TWO of 48 NC games against ranked opponents (4.167%
ONE of 48 NC games won against ranked opponents (2.083%)
ELEVEN of 48 NC games against D1-AA cupcakes (22.917%)
TWENTY-THREE of 48 NC games against "powerhouse" programs like San Jose State, Duke, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, Clemson, South Florida, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisville, Western Kentucky, Akron, Tulane, Fresno State, Memphis, Troy, Northwestern, Connecticut, and Eastern Michigan (47.917%)
That means that the conference as a whole played 34 out of 48 (70.833%) games of their collective non-conference schedule against 1-AA teams and bad 1-A teams. 12 out of 48 (25%) games were against respectable 1-A opponents. 2 out of 48 (4.167%) were against very good 1-A opponents.
That, my friends, is nothing at all to brag about when you want to tout yourself as the best around and other people point out your non-conference xenophobia.
Please provide the equivalent stats for all the other BCS conferences.
why the fuck would a school like Alabama purposely make their schedule even harder and kill themselves while a school like Boise cruises? The bowl records of SEC teams where they played top teams of other conferences speaks for itself
look at some of the schools ALA played this season:
#18 Penn State
#10 Arkansas
#7 Florida
#19 South Carolina
#10 LSU
#19 Mississippi State
Tennessee
#2 Auburn
ALL IN ONE SEASON. If Boise State or TCU had a schedule like that where they play teams of that caliber week after week, I'd say they would have at least 4 losses
1. Ok, I'll agree to this. IF they'd won out (knowing my chokies that's not possible) then I would expect them to be up at the top but overall, the caliber of the teams the Hokies play is much better than that of the MWC or WAC.
2. Yes. Without any hesitation. The ACC would add credibility to their accomplishment.
So you're saying that VT's schedule this year is harder than Boise State's? Does anyone have a strength of schedule link? That would be interesting to compare.
if they are truly getting fucked over they should join a major conference and prove their worth like the big boys. boise st is a joke, get over it. a 5 loss SEC team is better than an undefeated WAC team.
What I pointed out is that the SEC is overrated, and that's true.
Please provide the equivalent stats for all the other BCS conferences.
So Ol Miss would beat Boise? HAHAHA, ok now we all know you are clueless.
Or not. Your excuse making says everything.I think any of us who don't have your tongue up the ass of the SEC realize that the only teams that would have a legitamite chance of beating Boise State in the SEC are LSU and Auburn. Alabama would likely play them well.
And your SEC buffers love to tout their 4 consecutive NC wins, but the problem is that they got those largely due to a flawed BCS system and some luck. Last 4 are Florida, LSU, Florida, Bama.
Florida (06 season). Ohio State is undefeated and a 1-loss Michigan and a 1-loss Florida both have a legitamite claim to the BCS NC Game birth. Michigan's claim is technically stronger, but no one wants a rematch. Florida goes, proves OSU was weaker than their record indicated. Florida is a legit national champion.
LSU (07 season). Despite losing in their final regular season game, LSU goes to the NC game after beating Tennessee in the SEC championship game. Their opponent is OSU though most people know it will be disappointing as USC, UGA, and Kansas all look like better teams. LSU destroys OSU though they didn't face the best opponent they could have. The nation is saddened by the failure of the BCS.
Florida (08 season). Oklahoma goes to the game despite a loss to a 1-loss Texas. Utah is the only undefeated team in the nation. Oklahoma looks like crap against Florida. Texas looks very good against OSU. Utah beats Bama with a larger margin of victory than Florida beat them in the SEC Championship game. Somehow Florida gets a national championship while Utah finished ranked 2nd in one major poll and 4th in the other.
Bama (09 season). At least 5 teams can lay legit claim to a birth. Texas, Bama, Boise St, TCU, Cincinatti. Cinci loses their coach before the bowl game and looks like crap. Boise St and TCU have a defensive slugfest. Texas loses winningest QB in college football history to injury after 5 offensive plays (that went for 27 yards, over 5 yards a play). Texas still manages to keep Bama offense from scoring for most of the game. Rookie QB is responsible for 5 turnovers, including 1 before the half that is a pick 6, and 2 in the final minutes that lead to 13 Bama points off a total of 30 offensive yards. With the way the game went it's apparant with McCoy in the game that Texas would likely have won.
Or not. Your excuse making says everything.
My point is that if you don't beat the best team it's hard to say you deserve the be national champions. If you look at the history, there's been a lot of not really the best team getting in the NC game due to a flawed system. The current system isn't letting schools like Boise St and TCU have a voice very often, if ever.
A good example would be a not too illogical "what would happen if.." that could happen this year.
Let's say Auburn wins out to the SEC championship game and loses to a team from the east. Not likely, but with the possibility of Cam Newton suspension, it's not entirely unlikely. In that scenario, assuming no one else surprising loses, what 10 teams go to the BCS?
Conference winners will likely be
Oregon
Nebraska
VT
Pitt
Florida (remember this is assuming they are the east champions and manage to beat Auburn)
Michigan State (I think they have the edge right now on tie breakers)
Then you have 4 at large teams. The most likely based on current rankings
TCU (most likely in NC game)
LSU (1 loss, beat Bama, ranked in top 5, Auburn misses out as only 2 teams can go from 1 conference)
And two more teams. Which from the current crop would be picked from the likeliest group of Stanford, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Boise St.
Now considering the money, the most likely two picked would be Ohio State and Stanford. So Boise State could be ranked 3rd or 4th and not even make it into a BCS bowl in a situation that's not even that unlikely!
If you're arguing for a playoff, I'm all for it.
I agree it sucks that Boise wouldn't have an opportunity at all if Auburn and Oregon win out. Kind of means their whole season didn't matter. I hate the system too, but it's what we're stuck with.I normally wouldn't. I hate the idea of a playoff system. But if Boise finished regular season in the top 5 and misses making a BCS game, I'd be pissed as they've earned it. But because of the way it's setup and there being no requirement to take them, they might not make it.
