BCLK overclocking not a problem for LGA2011 platform

[RussianSensation]

During Q4 2011 Intel is expected to launch the LGA2011 platform. Dedicated for extreme enthusiaster and workstations there is support for octo-core Sandy Bridge processors without integrated graphics circuits. Instead Intel has chosen to integrate the BCLK generator into the processor and at the same time give users the possibility to, through dividers, separate the frequencies of the clock generator toward different parts of the system. In other words, overclocking with the Intel X68 chipset and enthusiast version of Sandy Bridge will work more or less just like the LGA1366 platform and Intel X58 chipset.

As expected Intel LGA2011 will be a lot more expensive than LGA1155 and we of course hope that Intel has something decent for overclockers in the mid-range segment too. In a few months we will know more.

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[Habeed]

It's not that you won't be able to overclock, it's that Intel is trying to grab an even BIGGER piece of the pie. As it is right now, for those of us who want the performance of an $800 cpu for the cost of a $300 cpu, we can buy the cheaper chip and overclock the heck out of it. There are even bigger bargains if you are starting with a $200 i5 cpu and are a gamer.

Now, they'll get some of that $500 price difference. The unlocked version of the CPU will be $50-$100 more, so Intel gets even more loot than it already rakes in.

Sure be nice if AMD could finally catch up and put an end to this b.s.

 

[OCGuy]

It's not that you won't be able to overclock, it's that Intel is trying to grab an even BIGGER piece of the pie. As it is right now, for those of us who want the performance of an $800 cpu for the cost of a $300 cpu, we can buy the cheaper chip and overclock the heck out of it. There are even bigger bargains if you are starting with a $200 i5 cpu and are a gamer.

Now, they'll get some of that $500 price difference. The unlocked version of the CPU will be $50-$100 more, so Intel gets even more loot than it already rakes in.

Sure be nice if AMD could finally catch up and put an end to this b.s.

End to what? Nothing has actually happened yet.

You can still buy a $199 i7 @ microcenter and OC it to the speeds of a stock $1000 cpu. Until anything changes, you can't say anything negative.

If that does change, I will say something negative right along with you.

 

[ilkhan]

A good thing for the extreme OCers. Personally I'm still kind of annoyed at the time delay before s2011 gets released.

It's not that you won't be able to overclock, it's that Intel is trying to grab an even BIGGER piece of the pie. As it is right now, for those of us who want the performance of an $800 cpu for the cost of a $300 cpu, we can buy the cheaper chip and overclock the heck out of it. There are even bigger bargains if you are starting with a $200 i5 cpu and are a gamer.

Intel has been moving in that direction for a long time. Less cache, less features, lower FSB, etc. My first C2D was an e4300, gimped to hell and back. What you are really bitching about is Intel finally gimping a part of the chip that you thought was both un-gimpable and something that you cared about. Guess what? You gotta pay to play.

 

[Shmee]

Ya, not so pleased about the 2011 socket delay. I thought usually higher end was launched first?

 

[Ualdayan]

End to what? Nothing has actually happened yet.

You can still buy a $199 i7 @ microcenter and OC it to the speeds of a stock $1000 cpu. Until anything changes, you can't say anything negative.

If that does change, I will say something negative right along with you.

If there is a car coming right at you the time for action is BEFORE it hits you. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to start thinking of alternatives even before Intel actually starts shipping Sandy Bridge parts.

Wow, the very last part of 2011? Quite a long wait for any new parts for enthusiasts then.

 

[Idontcare]

Ya, not so pleased about the 2011 socket delay. I thought usually higher end was launched first?

Just from a logistics point of view the higher-end stuff takes more effort to validate and ensure correct operation while at the same being a limited-market TAM to begin with.

So more money in but less money to come of it.

Sure the margins might be 80% but if the volumes are 1-5% of that seen for the 65% consumer stuff then it only makes sense that Intel is prioritizing their resources to get the less-sexy consumer stuff out first.

I do wish the extreme stuff didn't cost an arm and a leg, but really their marketing guys are just doing their job to use our psychology against us.

Even though that $200 Thuban or $200 SB has more performance than a $1k extreme cpu from 3 yrs ago we still manage to convince ourselves the $200 chip is not good enough simply because there does exist a higher performing option (at any price) for sale at newegg.

But it has always been like this, to recollection. I remember when Intel had released the 60 and 66MHz Pentium...for that extra 10% increase in clockspeed to get the 66MHz pentium it was something like a 30 or 40% increase in price. Same when the 90 and 100MHz ones came out. And I don't think AMD was all that different when their Athlon K7 and X2's dominated the performance charts.

 

[Tsavo]

And I don't think AMD was all that different when their Athlon K7 and X2's dominated the performance charts.

Athlon X2 4800+ was $1000 when it first came out.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Athlon X2 4800+ was $1000 when it first came out.

Can't say that it held it's resale value very well, or did it. I bought one, wink wink, and I didn't do anything with it, other than build a system and let it sit there collecting dust.
Oh well, kinda like a collectors item, sort of.

I guess it's sort of like owning an original WD Raptor HD. Fast in it's day, and expensive, but not worth much now a days. But still usable.

 

[Tsavo]

Can't say that it held it's resale value very well, or did it. I bought one, wink wink, and I didn't do anything with it, other than build a system and let it sit there collecting dust.
Oh well, kinda like a collectors item, sort of.

I guess it's sort of like owning an original WD Raptor HD. Fast in it's day, and expensive, but not worth much now a days. But still usable.

It's still useful. It can more or less hold its own against a stock clocked Celeron dualie.

Sell it on Ebay.

 

[cbn]

End to what? Nothing has actually happened yet.

You can still buy a $199 i7 @ microcenter and OC it to the speeds of a stock $1000 cpu. Until anything changes, you can't say anything negative.

If that does change, I will say something negative right along with you.

Isn't he talking about Sandy Bridge 1155 in that post.....not LGA 2011?

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

My first C2D was an E4300, gimped to hell and back.

What exactly about it was gimped (short of VTx)? I actually liked it better than my E6300s and E6400s (not E6420s) - same cache, higher multi on the E4300 = win.

 

[ilkhan]

2MB cache, only 1.8Ghz and a 800Mhz FSB. The high multi was pretty good for overclocking, but shitty in stock form.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

End to what? Nothing has actually happened yet.

You can still buy a $199 i7 @ microcenter and OC it to the speeds of a stock $1000 cpu. Until anything changes, you can't say anything negative.

If that does change, I will say something negative right along with you.

hmm, last I checked the $1000 CPUs had 6 cores on 32nm, I don't think any amount of magic overclocking will match that with a $199 4 core on 45nm

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

2MB cache, only 1.8Ghz and a 800Mhz FSB. The high multi was pretty good for overclocking, but shitty in stock form.

The E6300 and E6400 had 2MB of L2 as well
800MHz FSB is actually an advantage for enthusiasts - I have a couple of E4300s and E6400s around in various systems and they all OC to about the same extent (3.1-3.2GHz).