BB has Mushkin 512MB PC3200 DDR $104.99 may be really hot if pics @bb are correct

[Dave101]

Here (sorry I have no idea how to link) http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384637802&skuId=4980603&type=product

I believe it may be hot because the picture from BB "enlarged view" shows it to be this 512MB PC3200 222 - Black Hi with the exception of the sticker seen here: http://www.mushkin.com/epages/Mushk...00367a552273fc0a80105060e/Product/View/990989

I ordered some I think its the same as long a BB has the right pic representing their product


-David

 

[taurean]

Muskin is also selling PC3200 400MHz CAS2-2-2 for $139 a piece, their promo build. For $35 more you can be guarenteed it's the same as the black level 1 stuff.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

this has been discussed before. it is not the level II 2-2-2 stuff. this is the older mushkin stuff before they started emplimenting the level ratings.

I think this is like 3-4-3 or the like.

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: taurean
Muskin is also selling PC3200 400MHz CAS2-2-2 for $139 a piece, their promo build. For $35 more you can be guarenteed it's the same as the black level 1 stuff.

This promo build they are advertising for $139 is the same RAM they advertised on Labor Day. Not too many people ordered it. Some folks had problems running it at 2-2-2. Here's the old thread

 

[Lanyap]

I ordered one stick of the BB Mushkin several weeks ago. I have used it but have not oc'ed it. It is the previous version of the black pcb before they came out with level I and II.

Here is some SPD info on the $105 Mushkin PC3200 at bestbuy.com:

DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512MB
CAS# Latency: 2.5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
RAS# Precharge: 3
Cycle Time (Tras): 7
Bank Interleave : 4-way

--------[ SPD ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Enhanced Memories (512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM) ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name: Enhanced Memories
Serial Number: None
Module Size: 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type: Unbuffered
Memory Type: DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed: PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width: 64 bit
Module Voltage: SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method: None
Refresh Rate: Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Highest CAS Latency: 2.5 (5.0 ns @ 200 MHz)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge: Not Supported
Auto-Precharge: Not Supported
Precharge All: Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst: Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock): Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Differential Clock Input: Supported
Redundant Row Address: Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name Enhanced Memory Systems, Inc.
Product Information http://www.edram.com/products/producthome.htm

 

[TraderGordo]

I'd just pay the extra $15 and get the CAS2 HyperX Kingston DDR 3200 (dual channel kit) memory (see permalink from AnandTech). It runs 400MHz in a PowerEdge 400SC by the way. If you don't need the kit its even cheaper ($112).
'

Originally posted by: Lanyap
I ordered one stick of the BB Mushkin several weeks ago. I have used it but have not oc'ed it. It is the previous version of the black pcb before they came out with level I and II.

Here is some SPD info on the $105 Mushkin PC3200 at bestbuy.com:

DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512MB
CAS# Latency: 2.5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
RAS# Precharge: 3
Cycle Time (Tras): 7
Bank Interleave : 4-way

--------[ SPD ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Enhanced Memories (512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM) ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name: Enhanced Memories
Serial Number: None
Module Size: 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type: Unbuffered
Memory Type: DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed: PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width: 64 bit
Module Voltage: SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method: None
Refresh Rate: Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Highest CAS Latency: 2.5 (5.0 ns @ 200 MHz)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge: Not Supported
Auto-Precharge: Not Supported
Precharge All: Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst: Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock): Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Differential Clock Input: Supported
Redundant Row Address: Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name Enhanced Memory Systems, Inc.
Product Information http://www.edram.com/products/producthome.htm

 

[CherryBOMB]

Originally posted by: TraderGordo
I'd just pay the extra $15 and get the CAS2 HyperX Kingston DDR 3200 (dual channel kit) memory (see permalink from AnandTech). It runs 400MHz in a PowerEdge 400SC by the way. If you don't need the kit its even cheaper ($112).
'

Originally posted by: Lanyap
I ordered one stick of the BB Mushkin several weeks ago. I have used it but have not oc'ed it. It is the previous version of the black pcb before they came out with level I and II.

Here is some SPD info on the $105 Mushkin PC3200 at bestbuy.com:

DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512MB
CAS# Latency: 2.5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
RAS# Precharge: 3
Cycle Time (Tras): 7
Bank Interleave : 4-way

--------[ SPD ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Enhanced Memories (512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM) ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name: Enhanced Memories
Serial Number: None
Module Size: 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type: Unbuffered
Memory Type: DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed: PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width: 64 bit
Module Voltage: SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method: None
Refresh Rate: Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Highest CAS Latency: 2.5 (5.0 ns @ 200 MHz)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge: Not Supported
Auto-Precharge: Not Supported
Precharge All: Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst: Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs: Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock): Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs: Not Supported
Differential Clock Input: Supported
Redundant Row Address: Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name Enhanced Memory Systems, Inc.
Product Information http://www.edram.com/products/producthome.htm

Thanks for the Dell 400SC update @ 400mhz hyperX that is.*!*

 

[uwannawhat]

There's no doubt you'll wanna get the lowest CAS latency & highest rated chip for you 400SC Server.

It can't be overclocked, so what you buy is what you get!

 

[CherryBOMB]

Originally posted by: uwannawhat
There's no doubt you'll wanna get the lowest CAS latency & highest rated chip for you 400SC Server.

It can't be overclocked, so what you buy is what you get!

1)I have a question on Kingston it shows single sided 256 and 512 kits.......what gives...?
2)I read on the Holy grail that Mushkin Default on the PC3500 Level 2 Kits are not 2-2-2- so you would never be able to change that in Dells bios...Right..?I think this was the PC3500 433mhz models that were quoted here on this Default.
3)In order to get the full out of Hyper Threading you need to have all 4 banks filled and Doublesided ram chips.right?
4)Are these Kingston Defaulted @ 2-3-2 Double sided or not...?and is Mushkin defaulted @ 2-2-2- or not ...They are Double sided and I think they are 2-2-2 on the PC3200 chips @ default...?

So were is the best here?


I will most like ly pull this memory out for a ASUS board in the futor so I wan't to get the Best mhz and cass I can NOW*!*But I want it to run Default 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 @ 400mhz even if it is PC3500 or PC3700 I don't care the bigger the better for futor over clocking..

 

[RightHere]

cherrybomb - where did you see the single side info? I thought I saw it on their website, but I can't find the info now.

I didn't read anything about the 4 banks full having anything to do w/ HT, but who knows. I think it's just for the best throughput on the memory controller in the chipset.

 

[RightHere]

LinkyThis says they are dual banked. Note it's only the 3000 and 3500 series. The press release announcing the 2700 and 3200 chips does NOT mention this. Linky #2

Edit: I think ALL 512MB modules are dual banked. Now the trick is figuring out which are single sided and which are double sided. The pic for the 512mb module on kingston's site indicates that there are chips on both sides.

 

[schizoid]

I totally don't understand this ram stuff.

I know that EDO is better than FPM

Ok, I have a new Dell Dim 4600. It's 800 FSB, hyper threaded. It's got 2 sticks of whatever they put in there..so I got 256 megs now. I'd like a half-gig. I don't (ever) plan on overclocking or anything. I'd just like the cheapest (but best) ram available. So, it needs to be 3200, right? Cas 2, right?

I HATE THIS COMPLEX STUFF! BRING BACK EDO!

 

[unclebud]

bahahahahaha! for real!

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: schizoid
I totally don't understand this ram stuff. I know that EDO is better than FPM Ok, I have a new Dell Dim 4600. It's 800 FSB, hyper threaded. It's got 2 sticks of whatever they put in there..so I got 256 megs now. I'd like a half-gig. I don't (ever) plan on overclocking or anything. I'd just like the cheapest (but best) ram available. So, it needs to be 3200, right? Cas 2, right? I HATE THIS COMPLEX STUFF! BRING BACK EDO!

My guess is that what came with the dell would be running at cas2.5. If thats true you wouldn't need to pay up for the faster latency cas2 if all you wanted to do was increase the amount of memory. If you are going to run the ram at cas2 by setting it in the computer's bios, then all sticks need to run at that speed or the computer will crash.

Its possible your current ram will run that fast but not likely, therefore cas2.5 ram, which is cheaper, is a better deal for you.

 

[Dave101]

Would I actually *see* a diffeerence in my systems performance running cas2 or cas3. not just benchmark numbers but actaully see a difference?
Also in an above post it says that this BB memory is 200mhz- the add says is 400mhz. ?!?!?!{{{{{worried}}}}}}



-David

 

[michal1980]

if u email mushkin about the bb ram they claim its basically the same as there level 2 stuff and u should be able to get
2-2-2 out of it, just that the spd is an old flash...

i did get one to try out but it must have been a bad stick because it barely booted, so i returned it.

very easy to return to b.b. so its worth a shot

 

[nosliw]

Originally posted by: Dave101
Would I actually *see* a diffeerence in my systems performance running cas2 or cas3. not just benchmark numbers but actaully see a difference?
Also in an above post it says that this BB memory is 200mhz- the add says is 400mhz. ?!?!?!{{{{{worried}}}}}}

-David

You probably won't see a difference. If you are doing long processes (MPEG encoding etc) and you are very sensitive to the times, then perhaps. I think the general consensus is that memory tuning can get you very roughly 10% overall. 10% is usually not visible. Here's a good memory tuning article from Tom's.

 

[TraderGordo]

Got my Kingston HyperX today, I must say, I'm impressed! First off, the packaging was great, and the modules themselves look fantastic, with very nice metal heat shields on both sides. The PowerEdge 400SC BIOS shows it running at 400MHz (don't know what tools I can use to verify the latencies?). But DANG, my machine FLIES now, I mean it is night and day improvement over the memory that came with the machine. Apps start instantly, bootup is super fast, and even my 3DMark score improved by a full 10%. I'm very satisfied.

 

[CherryBOMB]

Originally posted by: RightHere
cherrybomb - where did you see the single side info? I thought I saw it on their website, but I can't find the info now.

I didn't read anything about the 4 banks full having anything to do w/ HT, but who knows. I think it's just for the best throughput on the memory controller in the chipset.

LINK single sided PC3500 1GB Kit

LINK single sided 512MB KIT PC3500

 

[Granorense]

Originally posted by: TraderGordo
Got my Kingston HyperX today, I must say, I'm impressed! First off, the packaging was great, and the modules themselves look fantastic, with very nice metal heat shields on both sides. The PowerEdge 400SC BIOS shows it running at 400MHz (don't know what tools I can use to verify the latencies?). But DANG, my machine FLIES now, I mean it is night and day improvement over the memory that came with the machine. Apps start instantly, bootup is super fast, and even my 3DMark score improved by a full 10%. I'm very satisfied.

I belive in numbers more then I believein words, so show me the numbers please!

 

[rch4001]

TraderGordo - google for Sisoft Sandra utility which will benchmark the memory (and most everything else) and report memory timings

also look for "cpu-z" to check memory timing, cpu stepping etc

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: TraderGordo
Got my Kingston HyperX today, I must say, I'm impressed! First off, the packaging was great, and the modules themselves look fantastic, with very nice metal heat shields on both sides. The PowerEdge 400SC BIOS shows it running at 400MHz (don't know what tools I can use to verify the latencies?). But DANG, my machine FLIES now, I mean it is night and day improvement over the memory that came with the machine. Apps start instantly, bootup is super fast, and even my 3DMark score improved by a full 10%. I'm very satisfied.

LOL, my BB Mushkin RAM looked purty too (black PCB with Gold heat spreaders) and it came in really nice packaging. I'm assuming you upgraded from the standard PC2700 or PC3200 128MB stick that came with your 400SC. I would hope that you see a major improvement from 128 to 512 (256 dual kit) 400MHz running WinXP? . LOL

Try using AIDA32 to check you CAS.

 

[CherryBOMB]

Originally posted by: CherryBOMB

Originally posted by: RightHere
cherrybomb - where did you see the single side info? I thought I saw it on their website, but I can't find the info now.

I didn't read anything about the 4 banks full having anything to do w/ HT, but who knows. I think it's just for the best throughput on the memory controller in the chipset.

Part#KHX3500K2/1G on sale through AT LINK single sided PC3500 1GB Kit

Part#KHX3500K2/512 on sale through AT LINK single sided 512MB KIT PC3500

Part#KHX3200AK2/1G 2-3-2-6 on sale through AT
LINK to PC3200 1GB KIT does not say if it is Double or single sided

Part#KHX3200AK2/1G 2-3-2-6 on sale through AT LINK to PC3200 512mb Kit does not say if its single or Double sided

Part#KHX3200K2/1G - Part Detail
Description:
1GB Kit HyperX DDR 400MHz 2-2-2-6-1 not on sale through AT
LINK to PC3200 1GB Kit 2-2-2-6 does not say if its single or double

Part#KHX3200K2/512 - Part Detail
Description:
512MB Kit HyperX DDR 400MHz 2-2-2-6-1 not on sale through AT
Link to PC3200 512mb Kit does not say if its single or double

2-2-2 Memory modules aimed for the absolute fastest timings possible with memory more likely to be used with the 2.8 to 3.2GHz P4 processors, or AMD Bartons that will not likely see Front Side Bus Speeds greater than about DDR433.
Intel legitimized DDR400 with the 875/865 chipsets, and that is now an official JEDEC standard. In fact, the fastest memory that the Intel 875/865 and AMD Athlon/Barton are designed to run is DDR400. Anything faster than DDR400 is overclocking the memory or the system in one form or another.
So we are asking the question again ? what is fast memory? We?ve seen that raw FSB speed definitely has a tremendous impact on memory performance in games and applications. But the other side of that coin is that memory timings can also greatly affect performance.
With what we now know about 875/875 memory configurations, the ideal test with greatest performance would be 4 Double-Bank modules.
To be fair in our memory comparison, we therefore asked memory vendors, at the very minimum, to supply 2 DS dimms or 4 SS modules of their fastest memory for evaluation.
so please keep this in mind when comparing performance. 2 SS dimms on the Intel 875 platform tests will perform slightly worse than 2 DS dimms. 4 Single-Bank dimms on the 875 are required to equal performance of 2 Double-Bank dimms.

One of the questions we are often asked is whether a particular motherboard can run with four DIMMs - or at the maximum number of memory slots for the board. Surprisingly, the answer is often ?no?, which is why AnandTech added the process of populating and testing all memory slots to the review procedures. However, with the Intel 875/865 Dual-Channel boards, we are realizing that additional questions need to be raised. Is there a performance difference in two DIMMs vs. four DIMMs? Do single-sided or double-sided DIMMs perform better on Canterwood/Springdale boards? What is the real performance difference in one DIMM, two DIMMs, and four DIMMs?
ANSWER:
In all cases, on both 865 and 875 chipsets, with both single-sided and double-sided DIMMs, four DIMMs is the best performing memory configuration at DDR400(1:1) or higher speed. This may come as a surprise to many of you looking for memory for your 865/875 motherboard. As expected, two DIMMs in dual-channel memory configuration performed better than a single DIMM in all cases. Beyond this, we see that two double-sided DIMMs perform much better than two single-sided DIMMs, but that four single-sided DIMMs perform almost as well as four double-sided DIMMs.


So from what I under stand is that to get the Best Preformance for my Dell 400SC I need Double sided DIMMS and Preferably all 4 Banks Filled on the Intel 875 Chipset.......Right..? ...CB

 

[CherryBOMB]

So if the Kingston Hyperx thats on sale through AT is single sided DIMMS then its not a Hot Deal at all.......

 

[blazerazor]

I got hyperX pc3500 256mb from b.buy cause it had a rebate, and it runs so fast. I'm getting another of
same model # directly from kingston so I can run it Dual Mode. I look in it and see the chips are either/or, meaning theres a chip, not a chip, chip, not a chip. On both sides. I guess the 512mb version is solid chips. Runs so good I haven't tryed to mess with the settings.