Bay Trail SKUs leaked

[NTMBK]

http://techreport.com/news/25043/le...ail-based-atom-celeron-and-pentium-processors

Look decent, but those clocks aren't as impressive as I'd hoped.

 

[Sweepr]

Nice find. Pentium N3510 seems perfect for a cheap yet capable notebook with outstanding battery life (Google Chromebook?). They could probably offer 8-core models with 15-20W TDP (Avoton/Rangeley server CPUs with up to 8 silvermont cores will have TDPs ranging from 5 to 30W).

 

[frozentundra123456]

Wow, quite a lot of skus. Going to be really confusing, especially since they overlap with mobile and desktop celerons and pentiums.

 

[jpiniero]

Nice find. Pentium N3510 seems perfect for a cheap yet capable notebook with outstanding battery life (Google Chromebook?). They could probably offer 8-core models with 15-20W TDP (Avoton/Rangeley server CPUs with up to 8 silvermont cores will have TDPs ranging from 5 to 30W).

Except I saw elsewhere that the tray price for the Celerons (M?) was $132. So cheap it won't be.

 

[Sweepr]

Except I saw elsewhere that the tray price for the Celerons (M?) was $132. So cheap it won't be.

Yes, leaked price was $132 for all of the Bay Trail-M SKUs, pretty strange. I wonder if their pricing will be more agressive on Bay Trail-T SKUs. Big OEMs likely pay much less than listed prices.

 

[iAMunderDog]

I actually expected lower TDP, yea. I think AMD actually can compete...

Intel Bay Trail-I Atom E3823 will be most likely be crushed by AMD's Temash A6-1450 in overall/total performance, both have 8 watt TDP. In CPU they will be roughly equal, but in GPU performance AMD will win.

Atom E3823 has clocks of 1.75Ghz while Temash A6-1450 is clocked at 1Ghz.

I think Bay Trail will only have an edge in power saving features and that's about it, really.

I am puzzled...

 

[dealcorn]

Intel has recently lowered it's Baytrail tablet target price points to extend below $200. It may be hard to hit that price point with a $132 SoC. I suspect Intel was just "funning us" with the $132 list price.

 

[iAMunderDog]

Intel has recently lowered it's Baytrail tablet target price points to extend below $200. It may be hard to hit that price point with a $132 SoC. I suspect Intel was just "funning us" with the $132 list price.

Doubtful, we are talking about Intel. Right? lol

 

[ShintaiDK]

The Z2760 is listed at 41$ MSRP. So that should give a hint.

 

[podspi]

Wow, Celeron quad cores! I wonder if we'll be able to overclock these

 

[erunion]

this chart makes it easier to digest

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile..._Bay_Trail_System_on_Chips_Gets_Revealed.html

 

[VirtualLarry]

So I can't just advise my clients to "Avoid Atom, get Celeron/Pentium" anymore, when they are looking for a budget laptop. Now they have to carry an exact model-number cheat-sheet. Even worse, some retail shelf tags don't contain the exact model number of the CPU on them.

 

[erunion]

So I can't just advise my clients to "Avoid Atom, get Celeron/Pentium" anymore, when they are looking for a budget laptop. Now they have to carry an exact model-number cheat-sheet. Even worse, some retail shelf tags don't contain the exact model number of the CPU on them.

Why? Most likely 100% of celerons and Pentiums will be bay trail.

 

[Bryf50]

Why? Most likely 100% of celerons and Pentiums will be bay trail.

Nope. Haswell Pentiums and Celerons have already been announced/leaked. Link

 

[Arachnotronic]

So I can't just advise my clients to "Avoid Atom, get Celeron/Pentium" anymore, when they are looking for a budget laptop. Now they have to carry an exact model-number cheat-sheet. Even worse, some retail shelf tags don't contain the exact model number of the CPU on them.

These Atoms will be pretty good, though.

 

[erunion]

Nope. Haswell Pentiums and Celerons have already been announced/leaked. Link

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Wow, that sure is a strange thing to do. One brand for two products. Pretty lame.

 

[meloz]

Intel's classification of Silvermont parts as Atom,Celeron or Pentium is so whimsical. Very confusing, the person who commented about needing a cheat-sheet is right. Looks like Intel has overemployment in their marketing department, they could increase their profit margin by firing a few people from that part of the company.

There is not big enough difference between these parts to form a definitve pattern, these SKUs are not easily sorted into one of the three brands depending on TDP, frequency or number of cores. Instead we have high TDP Atoms as well as Pentiums. High frequency Celerons as well as Atoms. They are slicing this cake too thin. Ugh.

The only pattern in the madness is Intel's capricious desire to segment Silvermont as I (Integrated?), M (Mobile?) and D (Desktop?). Maybe this kind of artificial segmentation allows them to charge different prices from ODM/OEM for two SKUs even though their performance might be embarrassingly similar.

Whatever. Frankly, all these Silvermonts could have been sold as just Atom, further fortifying that brand. I would have liked that very much. This just reeks of marketing gone wild.

 

[FwFred]

Silvermont Pentium/Celeron for 7.5W TDP. Haswell Pentium/Celeron for traditional notebook TDP.

 

[cbn]

Yes, leaked price was $132 for all of the Bay Trail-M SKUs, pretty strange. I wonder if their pricing will be more agressive on Bay Trail-T SKUs. Big OEMs likely pay much less than listed prices.

Yep, I'm sure the OEMs pay less....a lot less.

For example, Celeron 847 has a price of $134 on Intel Ark, but if a person goes to Newegg they can find complete Celeron 847 mini itx boards (with the BGA Celeron 847 soldered on, of course) starting at $59.99 (Sale prices/AR rebate prices go even lower).

So it will be interesting to see how these Silvermont atom laptops and mini itx compare to Celeron 847 (and the 22nm Ivy Bridge based Celeron 1007U). Currently these parts occupy the very bottom of the Intel laptop food chain (completely replacing atom on Newegg laptops).

 

[insertcarehere]

Silvermont Pentium/Celeron for 7.5W TDP. Haswell Pentium/Celeron for traditional notebook TDP.

Wouldn't it be better to just scale up silvermont to somewhere like traditional notebook TDP (~15W) and just reserve the (more expensive) haswell stuff for the core series?

 

[FwFred]

Wouldn't it be better to just scale up silvermont to somewhere like traditional notebook TDP (~15W) and just reserve the (more expensive) haswell stuff for the core series?

Desktop SKUs are 10W. It seems pretty clear this is about as high as the Bay Trail silicon is meant to scale.

 

[mikk]

Bay Trail-T SKUs here: http://chinese.vr-zone.com/77041/in...3-support-z3770-z3770d-z3740-z3740d-08032013/

Release next month.

 

[Ventanni]

I gotta hand it to Intel, and AMD for that matter. They sure do make understanding their part numbers the most confusing [endeavor] in the world.



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[Sweepr]

Bay Trail-T launch September 11:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/bay-trail-t-coming-september-11/49425.html

 

[NTMBK]

Yikes, what went wrong with those -D SKUs! Lower clocks, higher TDPs, worse memory bandwidth, worse graphics...